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July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16701 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:52 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Old news, but still....damn. Hornets should have took the deal and run

The Celtics offered the 16th pick, No. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Atlanta Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Memphis Grizzlies or Minnesota Timberwolves.

Some members of the Hornets' front office wanted to do the deal with the Celtics, but Michael Jordan preferred Kaminsky over first rounders outside the lottery.


Lets not forget - every other team in position to accept this deal turned it down, too. It wasn't just MJ. Riley turned it down, as did others. This story hasn't died because Ainge is trying desperately to spin the "stupidity" of others instead of the reality that the majority of this situation is because he misjudged pick value drastically and is sitting on less than he thought.

Instead of trying to mock Jordan exclusively, we should also be coming to the realization that all the maneuvering, trading, and stockpiling that Ainge has done and been sweated for has amounted to nothing even remotely significant at this point. I mean, the guy literally tried to cash his chips in and was denied. He couldn't even get the 9th/10th pick in the draft for the years of work at accumulation.

For the past 3 years Ainge has basically done everything that a lot of the people lamenting the lack of a "full-rebuild" here clamor for, and despite some drooling from message boards over the amount of picks he's acquired, there's essentially nothing of major value...at this point.


I dont think all of Ainges picks are that valuable where he was getting a superstar, but that was a lot to give up to move up a few spots.

The whole thing is pretty funny though...Ainge trying to cash his chips in for Winslow, failing, and being so salty about it.
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16702 » by Pjax4Prez » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:07 pm

Even though most of the picks were truly mid-level picks, I definitely think the Hornets should have made the deal if they were going to draft Frank. If Winslow is the target I understand but I don't see Frank being a far better player than a Bobby Portis for example. Also if the Brooklyn pick was really offered I think it would have been smart to take it. That team could be a lottery team for years to come with no true guards.
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16703 » by N Y K » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:45 pm

I'll start by saying this, I am one of the first to say GTFO when it comes to anyone entertaining the notion of Carmelo waiving the no trade clause, but watching this feels like it really just should happen (could just be the mood I'm in).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2533089-the-biggest-question-mark-for-the-new-york-knicks-entering-next-season?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art

He's got his money, it's not happening here anymore, why not go play with his boy in LA or CLE?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2532377-who-says-no-in-a-kevin-love-for-carmelo-anthony-trade?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art--%20via

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2526768-ric-buchers-bold-predictions-for-the-remainder-of-the-nba-offseason

Maybe the more this conversation is had, the more likely it will happen... and I'm in the minority that likes Melo.

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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16704 » by Rasho Brezec » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:12 pm

I don't want anyone in return for Melo. I want this:

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2016 - Own; BRK; DAL 8-30; MIN 13-30 (via PHX)

2017 - Own or swap for BRK; DAL 8-30 if not already settled

2018 - Own; BRK; DAL 8-30 if not already settled; MEM 13-30 if MEM conveys 1st round pick to DEN in 2016

2019 - Own; DAL 8-30 if not already settled; MEM 9-30 if not already settled and if MEM has conveyed 1st round pick to DEN by 2017

2020 - Own; DAL 8-30 if not already settled; MEM 7-30 if not already settled and if MEM has conveyed 1st round pick to DEN by 2018

2021 - Own; DAL if not already settled; MEM if not already settled
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16705 » by El Poochio » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:16 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:I don't want anyone in return for Melo. I want this:

Boston Celtics

2016 - Own; BRK; DAL 8-30; MIN 13-30 (via PHX)

2017 - Own or swap for BRK; DAL 8-30 if not already settled

2018 - Own; BRK; DAL 8-30 if not already settled; MEM 13-30 if MEM conveys 1st round pick to DEN in 2016

2019 - Own; DAL 8-30 if not already settled; MEM 9-30 if not already settled and if MEM has conveyed 1st round pick to DEN by 2017

2020 - Own; DAL 8-30 if not already settled; MEM 7-30 if not already settled and if MEM has conveyed 1st round pick to DEN by 2018

2021 - Own; DAL if not already settled; MEM if not already settled


Just give me the Brooklyn ones and I am good :lol:
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16706 » by blanko » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:43 am

I saw josh childress at a local restaurant... Thought he would be a good fit with our offense.
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16707 » by Fury » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:06 am

blanko wrote:I saw josh childress at a local restaurant... Thought he would be a good fit with our offense.


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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16708 » by el13adnino » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:29 am

at this point im looking foward to the trade deadline because im not satisfied with this team. the d-will signing really ticked me off
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16709 » by Carl_Karlson » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:21 am

el13adnino wrote:at this point im looking foward to the trade deadline because im not satisfied with this team. the d-will signing really ticked me off


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Post#16710 » by el13adnino » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:00 pm

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el13adnino wrote:at this point im looking foward to the trade deadline because im not satisfied with this team. the d-will signing really ticked me off


With what assets?


melo and rolo are our only long contracts ... prozingas is untouchable.
every one else has moveable contracts
.... idk one can dream
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16711 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:02 pm

CharlesOakleeey wrote:I'll start by saying this, I am one of the first to say GTFO when it comes to anyone entertaining the notion of Carmelo waiving the no trade clause, but watching this feels like it really just should happen (could just be the mood I'm in).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2533089-the-biggest-question-mark-for-the-new-york-knicks-entering-next-season?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art

He's got his money, it's not happening here anymore, why not go play with his boy in LA or CLE?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2532377-who-says-no-in-a-kevin-love-for-carmelo-anthony-trade?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art--%20via

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2526768-ric-buchers-bold-predictions-for-the-remainder-of-the-nba-offseason

Maybe the more this conversation is had, the more likely it will happen... and I'm in the minority that likes Melo.

Ready, set, tell me to shut it!


We don't have our pick so I think we just fight for as many wins this year and see what happens. Maybe Porzingis develops sooner, other pickups pan out and we can compete sooner then later. Phil put this team to fit around Melo so I am curious to see how it works.

If not, next offseason looks like the best time to trade Melo. Almost every team will be under the cap so there will be a lot of suitors and Melo's contract will look like a bargain when other max's may be starting at $25-$30mil.
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16712 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:52 pm

digitaldropoff wrote:
MeloTime wrote:The clippers should buy out Crawford so we can offer him the 2.8 MLE

He be a great addition to our guard rotation.

We need another solid guard on this team !


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Right.....because every other team in the league would just offer him nothing so he'd have to settle for 2.8?

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he might come back to NYC where he was happy

and he'd have a pretty good role here too
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Post#16713 » by RaZzMaTaZz » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:10 pm

Does anyone know when the NBA schedule comes out?
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Post#16714 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:15 pm

i can't believe some of these fans

they would rather have the abstract in draft picks than an perennial all star

they would rather talk about trading this all-star than give the ten a chance to play together even a single game

they would rather completely ignore the reality that Melo to a contender doesn't get you great draft possibilities but instead gets you low picks and overpaid players to match salary
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16715 » by GONYK » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:16 pm

CharlesOakleeey wrote:I'll start by saying this, I am one of the first to say GTFO when it comes to anyone entertaining the notion of Carmelo waiving the no trade clause, but watching this feels like it really just should happen (could just be the mood I'm in).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2533089-the-biggest-question-mark-for-the-new-york-knicks-entering-next-season?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art

He's got his money, it's not happening here anymore, why not go play with his boy in LA or CLE?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2532377-who-says-no-in-a-kevin-love-for-carmelo-anthony-trade?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art--%20via

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2526768-ric-buchers-bold-predictions-for-the-remainder-of-the-nba-offseason

Maybe the more this conversation is had, the more likely it will happen... and I'm in the minority that likes Melo.

Ready, set, tell me to shut it!


What do we have to gain by sending Melo to a place like Cleveland?
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Post#16716 » by JXL » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:19 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:i can't believe some of these fans

they would rather have the abstract in draft picks than an perennial all star

they would rather talk about trading this all-star than give the ten a chance to play together even a single game

they would rather completely ignore the reality that Melo to a contender doesn't get you great draft possibilities but instead gets you low picks and overpaid players to match salary


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Post#16717 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:40 pm

GONYK wrote:
CharlesOakleeey wrote:I'll start by saying this, I am one of the first to say GTFO when it comes to anyone entertaining the notion of Carmelo waiving the no trade clause, but watching this feels like it really just should happen (could just be the mood I'm in).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2533089-the-biggest-question-mark-for-the-new-york-knicks-entering-next-season?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art

He's got his money, it's not happening here anymore, why not go play with his boy in LA or CLE?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2532377-who-says-no-in-a-kevin-love-for-carmelo-anthony-trade?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web--art--%20via

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2526768-ric-buchers-bold-predictions-for-the-remainder-of-the-nba-offseason

Maybe the more this conversation is had, the more likely it will happen... and I'm in the minority that likes Melo.

Ready, set, tell me to shut it!


What do we have to gain by sending Melo to a place like Cleveland?
I guess it gives "fans" a chance to complain that Melo is contending for a title elsewhere while we all whine?

Hell, if people fell apart over JR, Shump and Mozgov contending. Over Lee winning. Over Pablo and Tyson and everyone else being in the playoffs ... can you imagine if we traded Melo for Love or something equally horrible?

makes me made to even type it
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Post#16718 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:43 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:i can't believe some of these fans

they would rather have the abstract in draft picks than an perennial all star

they would rather talk about trading this all-star than give the ten a chance to play together even a single game

they would rather completely ignore the reality that Melo to a contender doesn't get you great draft possibilities but instead gets you low picks and overpaid players to match salary



You left out the fact that trading Me7o does give us a lot of additional cap space to sign big name free agents next off season. And while you may be correct that Me7o doesn't bring us back a lottery picks because we'd have to trade him to a contender, you ignore the possibility a trading partner might have acquired higher draft picks from other lower tier teams in other transactions that they can trade to us. But assuming they don't, we can still use all those additional picks to use in future trades should we so choose ... or when can simply use them to draft players that Phil see fitting into our system. We got Jerian Grant at 19. Draymond Green was picked in the second round. So there are a lot of benefits from trading "Me7o" not to mention simple "addition by subtraction." But since we're not trading him before the season, we're just shooting spitballs here, right? Maybe Melo has some kind of awakening and is able to lift this team to a higher level. I hope he does. I'm just not counting on it.
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16719 » by GONYK » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:52 pm

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You left out the fact that trading Me7o does give us a lot of additional cap space to sign big name free agents next off season.


All it gives us is potential to sign someone. What about the team will appeal to a big name free agent? Why would they come here? We also have plenty of capspace if we keep him, and we are getting a player of his production level at a discount in the new cap.

And while you may be correct that Me7o doesn't bring us back a lottery picks because we'd have to trade him to a contender, you ignore the possibility a trading partner might have acquired higher draft picks from other lower tier teams in other transactions that they can trade to us. But assuming they don't, we can still use all those additional picks to use in future trades should we so choose ... or when can simply use them to draft players that Phil see fitting into our system. We got Jerian Grant at 19. Draymond Green was picked in the second round.


Perhaps, but we don't need to trade Melo to get late 1sts and 2nd round picks. Phil has demonstrated that already. Melo should yield more value than Pablo Prigioni.

So there are a lot of benefits from trading "Me7o" not to mention simple "addition by subtraction." But since we're not trading him before the season, we're just shooting spitballs here, right? Maybe Melo has some kind of awakening and is able to lift this team to a higher level. I hope he does. I'm just not counting on it.


I'm not seeing the "addition by subtraction" thing here. We are a better team with him and a worse team without him. He's not JR or Bargnani.

The only reason to move him would be if we are getting value in return. There is no inherent value to not having him.
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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#16720 » by siar617 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:10 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:i can't believe some of these fans

they would rather have the abstract in draft picks than an perennial all star

they would rather talk about trading this all-star than give the ten a chance to play together even a single game

they would rather completely ignore the reality that Melo to a contender doesn't get you great draft possibilities but instead gets you low picks and overpaid players to match salary



You left out the fact that trading Me7o does give us a lot of additional cap space to sign big name free agents next off season. And while you may be correct that Me7o doesn't bring us back a lottery picks because we'd have to trade him to a contender, you ignore the possibility a trading partner might have acquired higher draft picks from other lower tier teams in other transactions that they can trade to us. But assuming they don't, we can still use all those additional picks to use in future trades should we so choose ... or when can simply use them to draft players that Phil see fitting into our system. We got Jerian Grant at 19. Draymond Green was picked in the second round. So there are a lot of benefits from trading "Me7o" not to mention simple "addition by subtraction." But since we're not trading him before the season, we're just shooting spitballs here, right? Maybe Melo has some kind of awakening and is able to lift this team to a higher level. I hope he does. I'm just not counting on it.

No big time free agent is coming here without melo on the roster

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