July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

[earthmansurfer]

It's laughable that people think the Knicks low balled an undrafted FA because they didn't give them a multi-year guaranteed contract offer after just one good SL game.

I think you misunderstand us. We are saying Dallas High balled him.

[stuporman]

It's laughable that people think the Knicks low balled an undrafted FA because they didn't give them a multi-year guaranteed contract offer after just one good SL game.

I think you misunderstand us. We are saying Dallas High balled him.

I've seen people say the Knicks low balled him, that's hard to misunderstand.

The Knicks offered him more guaranteed money than typically is offered an undrafted FA who had just one good SL game. If someone wants to say they should have tried to up the offer to something that matched what Dallas did, that's another matter.

Although the initial offer wasn't a low ball, Dallas' offer was an overpay on potential and it may work out for them in the end but the criticism of the Knicks 'low balling' has no merit.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Remember when the Knicks locked up Roberson after a good summer league?

People were calling for heads to roll a few months later.

Last i heard Roberson was trying to make the Korean League.

[TrueWarrior]

It's laughable that people think the Knicks low balled an undrafted FA because they didn't give them a multi-year guaranteed contract offer after just one good SL game.

I think you misunderstand us. We are saying Dallas High balled him.

I've seen people say the Knicks low balled him, that's hard to misunderstand.

The Knicks offered him more guaranteed money than typically is offered an undrafted FA who had just one good SL game. If someone wants to say they should have tried to up the offer to something that matched what Dallas did, that's another matter.

Although the initial offer wasn't a low ball, Dallas' offer was an overpay on potential and it may work out for them in the end but the criticism of the Knicks 'low balling' has no merit.

If all things were equal though, as far as him willing to come here for the same money, then a few extra thousand bones isn't enough to lose him over for me. The guy most likely will not cut it in the league, but he has undeniable physical tools and skills that made him different than most SLers. Being at a small school could have concealed him.

There's a reason Dallas scooped him up, despite "only 1 good game". I gave him an ocular pat down, and he passed my scouting test. Athletic, long, good attitude, plays very hard, defends multiple positions, has some offensive moves, and most of all can actually shoot. Fits the modern NBA perfectly. If all he becomes is a 3/D forward he can have a long career in the league. I would have given him the money. We overpaid DWill, Lou, and Lance and now we're talking about bringing in Boozer, but people are worried about guaranteeing NDour for chump change? With the rising cap? Ehh...

Enough about the Shaman War Chief though. I've said my piece on him. He's got a lot of work to do to stick.

[stuporman]

I think you misunderstand us. We are saying Dallas High balled him.

I've seen people say the Knicks low balled him, that's hard to misunderstand.

The Knicks offered him more guaranteed money than typically is offered an undrafted FA who had just one good SL game. If someone wants to say they should have tried to up the offer to something that matched what Dallas did, that's another matter.

Although the initial offer wasn't a low ball, Dallas' offer was an overpay on potential and it may work out for them in the end but the criticism of the Knicks 'low balling' has no merit.

If all things were equal though, as far as him willing to come here for the same money, then a few extra thousand bones isn't enough to lose him over for me. The guy most likely will not cut it in the league, but he has undeniable physical tools and skills that made him different than most SLers. Being at a small school could have concealed him.

There's a reason Dallas scooped him up, despite "only 1 good game". I gave him an ocular pat down, and he passed my scouting test. Athletic, long, good attitude, plays very hard, defends multiple positions, has some offensive moves, and most of all can actually shoot. Fits the modern NBA perfectly. If all he becomes is a 3/D forward he can have a long career in the league. I would have given him the money. We overpaid DWill, Lou, and Lance and now we're talking about bringing in Boozer, but people are worried about guaranteeing NDour for chump change? With the rising cap? Ehh...

Enough about the Shaman War Chief though. I've said my piece on him. He's got a lot of work to do to stick.

There have been plenty of SL stars that don't amount to crap in the league but if you would have been ok with the Knicks giving him multi-year guarantees then that fine, it's you're opinion. I might tend to agree the amount wouldn't be a cap killer next season and it still is a low risk deal in that context.

It's a misguided notion that the Knicks low balled him by not offering that initially to him and it isn't clear that he even gave them a chance to match it since he verbally agreed. It's people pushing their agenda to create a perception of the Knicks that isn't accurate and I enjoy messing with them and that perception.

[sasso]

I've seen people say the Knicks low balled him, that's hard to misunderstand.

The Knicks offered him more guaranteed money than typically is offered an undrafted FA who had just one good SL game. If someone wants to say they should have tried to up the offer to something that matched what Dallas did, that's another matter.

Although the initial offer wasn't a low ball, Dallas' offer was an overpay on potential and it may work out for them in the end but the criticism of the Knicks 'low balling' has no merit.

If all things were equal though, as far as him willing to come here for the same money, then a few extra thousand bones isn't enough to lose him over for me. The guy most likely will not cut it in the league, but he has undeniable physical tools and skills that made him different than most SLers. Being at a small school could have concealed him.

There's a reason Dallas scooped him up, despite "only 1 good game". I gave him an ocular pat down, and he passed my scouting test. Athletic, long, good attitude, plays very hard, defends multiple positions, has some offensive moves, and most of all can actually shoot. Fits the modern NBA perfectly. If all he becomes is a 3/D forward he can have a long career in the league. I would have given him the money. We overpaid DWill, Lou, and Lance and now we're talking about bringing in Boozer, but people are worried about guaranteeing NDour for chump change? With the rising cap? Ehh...

Enough about the Shaman War Chief though. I've said my piece on him. He's got a lot of work to do to stick.

There have been plenty of SL stars that don't amount to crap in the league but if you would have been ok with the Knicks giving him multi-year guarantees then that fine, it's you're opinion. I might tend to agree the amount wouldn't be a cap killer next season and it still is a low risk deal in that context.

It's a misguided notion that the Knicks low balled him by not offering that initially to him and it isn't clear that he even gave them a chance to match it since he verbally agreed. It's people pushing their agenda to create a perception of the Knicks that isn't accurate and I enjoy messing with them and that perception.

I could see why they wouldn't want to guarantee any money next year so they can save cap space, but there really is no reason not to guarantee his entire salary this year. Even if he didn't pan out and was waived, it's just another $350k Dolan eats. There is no more capspace so it wouldn't affect any other free agent signings. They are far from being a luxury tax team, so it's not like they would be hit with a tax on his $550k salary. I think for most people, this is why they are bewildered at the lowball partial guarantee. Jackson is possibly the thirftiest Knicks GM ever which is generally a great thing to see because he isn't overpaying free agents for the most part. But there is no reason to be that thrifty here with a young minimum salary player with great skills, physical attributes, high IQ and character, and system fit. Jackson shouldn't have just assumed that he will find another player like him because as we have seen this past year, it isn't that easy to find good fits for the triangle. Ndour is a good fit.

[Capn'O]

Remember when the Knicks locked up Roberson after a good summer league?

People were calling for heads to roll a few months later.

Last i heard Roberson was trying to make the Korean League.

He was like Demetris Nichols with no filter. Or "Chuck" Morris Almond with a filter. Take your pick.

[br7knicks]

let me preface this by saying i don't want him on the team because
A) he doesn't fit the mold
B) he didnt play last year
C) he's a headcase with low bballiq


but what ever happened to jordan crawford? i know headcases are a pain, but dude could score early on in his career.

so i went to look up his stats. ESPN did a good job by mentioning how he started at Center for one game.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4243/year/2013/jordan-crawford

[br7knicks]

Eric moreland. Worth a shot?

Athletic and defensive minded. Dumb as rocks tho apparently

[RaZzMaTaZz]

Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania

Free agent Andre Miller has reached agreement on a deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell RealGM.

[Fat Kat]

let me preface this by saying i don't want him on the team because
A) he doesn't fit the mold
B) he didnt play last year
C) he's a headcase with low bballiq


but what ever happened to jordan crawford? i know headcases are a pain, but dude could score early on in his career.

so i went to look up his stats. ESPN did a good job by mentioning how he started at Center for one game.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4243/year/2013/jordan-crawford

Melo had him blackballed. He'd better brush up on his Mandarin.

[Capn'O]

Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania

Free agent Andre Miller has reached agreement on a deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell RealGM.

BLAST IT ALL!

[NoLayupRule]

Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania

Free agent Andre Miller has reached agreement on a deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell RealGM.

BLAST IT ALL!

really good leader and big play maker

too bad its for them

good signing

[siar617]

Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania

Free agent Andre Miller has reached agreement on a deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell RealGM.

BLAST IT ALL!

really good leader and big play maker

too bad its for them

good signing

Duplicates what they get out of Rubio but slower. So two pgs that can't shoot?

[brooklynoxy]

Eric moreland. Worth a shot?

Athletic and defensive minded. Dumb as rocks tho apparently

I was just reading his player profile here on RealGm. I think that he certainly merits consideration for a summer workout—but the question remains. Will Phil ante up a partially guaranteed contract to see if Moreland might be a possible 3rd center?

[NoLayupRule]

Eric moreland. Worth a shot?

Athletic and defensive minded. Dumb as rocks tho apparently

I was just reading his player profile here on RealGm. I think that he certainly merits consideration for a summer workout—but the question remains. Will Phil ante up a partially guaranteed contract to see if Moreland might be a possible 3rd center?

Im getting the feeling that Phil is sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle and perhaps seeing how camp invites work out or what other players get waived before he sends any $ anywhere

Boozer and Seraphin and Moreland and all the other guys available make you wonder if Phil has a plan

as has been said the clips have been rumored to want to jettison Crawford or Reddick
I think the Cavs were over their player limit until they made some moves but perhaps there are others out there in a similar situation

Phil must be waiting in the wings

[br7knicks]

Eric moreland. Worth a shot?

Athletic and defensive minded. Dumb as rocks tho apparently

I was just reading his player profile here on RealGm. I think that he certainly merits consideration for a summer workout—but the question remains. Will Phil ante up a partially guaranteed contract to see if Moreland might be a possible 3rd center?

Im getting the feeling that Phil is sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle and perhaps seeing how camp invites work out or what other players get waived before he sends any $ anywhere

Boozer and Seraphin and Moreland and all the other guys available make you wonder if Phil has a plan

as has been said the clips have been rumored to want to jettison Crawford or Reddick
I think the Cavs were over their player limit until they made some moves but perhaps there are others out there in a similar situation

Phil must be waiting in the wings

I'd love Redick, especially since he's learned to be an adequate defender. Very smart, can easily learn the system.

[Triple C]

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[moocow007]

I was just reading his player profile here on RealGm. I think that he certainly merits consideration for a summer workout—but the question remains. Will Phil ante up a partially guaranteed contract to see if Moreland might be a possible 3rd center?

Im getting the feeling that Phil is sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle and perhaps seeing how camp invites work out or what other players get waived before he sends any $ anywhere

Boozer and Seraphin and Moreland and all the other guys available make you wonder if Phil has a plan

as has been said the clips have been rumored to want to jettison Crawford or Reddick
I think the Cavs were over their player limit until they made some moves but perhaps there are others out there in a similar situation

Phil must be waiting in the wings

I'd love Redick, especially since he's learned to be an adequate defender. Very smart, can easily learn the system.

Has he really learned? At one point early in his career Reddick was statistically one of the worst defenders in the NBA (at any position).

[TheBigBoss]

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FIRE PHIL! How dare he give a rookie 15 million before he has played even one game.