Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[WinCity]

I think that's a very Chicago view. If you go to the general boards, there have been threads comparing the trade offers and virtually all of the people from 3rd party teams favor the Wiggins deal.

This is just my opinion, but I think that Parker is the one who is going to be rather disappointing.

I cant speak to Parker, but as far as Wiggins goes I think there is a very good chance he is a bust. He was hardly dominant at the college level and while he is very athletic his ball handling and shot need a lot of growth for him to reach a star level. There are a lot of athletic wings that come into the league and most of them dont pan out. He could be really good, but the bust potential is pretty strong here IMO.

Considering the weakness of the rest of CLE's assets (unless they include Waitiers) I think we could look back at this deal and conclude they really ended up getting squat for Love. Its pretty much 50/50.

[Hardfoul]

IMO, the Wolves have been leaking this type of stuff to drive up Cleveland's price. Last year this time, Wiggins was a generational talent. The trade value of guys like that is ridiculous. If Wiggins hadn't had a slightly disappointing year, Minnesota would be the ones who would have to add stuff to get a Love for Wiggins deal.

I really don't think its just talk. Flip doesn't want to couch a lottery team. And Wiggins isn't a generational talent. I think if the Cav's took Parker, this deal would have been done already. Parker, Waiters, Thompson would have gotten it done.

I think that's a very Chicago view. If you go to the general boards, there have been threads comparing the trade offers and virtually all of the people from 3rd party teams favor the Wiggins deal.

This is just my opinion, but I think that Parker is the one who is going to be rather disappointing.

I don't think either one will be disappointing as in a true bust, both will be very productive pros. Most likely to be a generational superstar? I pick Parker. Parker is is just too skilled and has tremendous lenghth for a 3. Like Kevin Love coming into the NBA, he needs to shed lbs, but I see zero downside for this kid. Wiggins on the other hand does not show the skills to be a generational superstar, nothing stands out other than athleticism.

[bullsaficianado]

Love is on the table, that is a definate fact.

We have the assets to make a trade with them. But we won't offer some of those guys so we will loose out on an All Star who could end up in our own division. Maybe CLE and MN have something worked out but until it's official we should still be in pursuit.

The only player we should not include in the trade is the only guy we can't trade - Rose.

Other than that the Bulls should be willing to offer anyone else MN wants. Noah, Taj, Butler, McDermott, Mirotec - anyone. We could blow them away with a deal. But we're not and this is a another long term gamble by the Bulls FO thinking they can win with Rose and the rest of this cast.

McDermott is already a fan fav, tickets are sold and we'll be tops in attendance and turn a profit. Thats a success for the orginization and what Garpax are paid to do. They don't need Love to have a successful season.

And it will be a fun season.

But it will end with SA or CLE or maybe OKC hoisting the trophy and Bulls fans sitting at home wondering why we didn't trade for Love when we had the chance. LOVE is better than any player on this roster. He's a 25 yr old stud that you should blow up your roster to pair with the 25 yer old guy the Bulls have already hitched their wagon to - Rose.

This has shades of the Cartwright for Oakley trade. That was not popular but it was bold and took a a couple of years to see why they made it.

We should be doing the same here. This is it, once he gets moved he's not going to be on the market for a few years.

If you want him, now is the time.

The Bulls don't want him badly enough.

I agree and it's disappointing, the Bulls front office should be doing whatever it takes to get Kevin Love and pair him with Derrick Rose. Instead they grow to attached to the players on this roster, we have seen this before.

[Jayme96]

Fish, normally I would agree with you 100%. Normally when a team trades their star they rebuild. But this isn't the normal situation. The Wolves haven't made the playoffs in about 10 years. Their president is personally coming down to coach the team. They want to win and want to win bad. This is far a normal case where Wiggins has more value. Wiggins is a fine prospect but he isn't as NBA ready as Durant, Rose or Bron were. Taj is a seasoned all defense player. Mirotic has years of pro experience at 23. Dougie is NBA ready. To the wolves, that a package is better. Through a young guy like Butler into the mix and that's a massive return to flip.

IMO, the Wolves have been leaking this type of stuff to drive up Cleveland's price. Last year this time, Wiggins was a generational talent. The trade value of guys like that is ridiculous. If Wiggins hadn't had a slightly disappointing year, Minnesota would be the ones who would have to add stuff to get a Love for Wiggins deal.

Last year's evaluation of Wiggins doesn't matter though. In high school, Mayo was regarded as a mini-LeBron. College sorted that out pretty quickly.

Wiggins is incredibly overrated. He's a generational athlete with very. very ordinary everything else. All the great wings were far more skilled at his age then he is.

Agreed. People buy into the hype that he had coming out of high school. Last year in college he fell short of that hype. How much further will he fall in the NBA? Of course he could pan out and meet the hype. But if he didn't in college, why would you expect him to in the NBA with the big boys?

[Jayme96]

Love is on the table, that is a definate fact.

We have the assets to make a trade with them. But we won't offer some of those guys so we will loose out on an All Star who could end up in our own division. Maybe CLE and MN have something worked out but until it's official we should still be in pursuit.

The only player we should not include in the trade is the only guy we can't trade - Rose.

Other than that the Bulls should be willing to offer anyone else MN wants. Noah, Taj, Butler, McDermott, Mirotec - anyone. We could blow them away with a deal. But we're not and this is a another long term gamble by the Bulls FO thinking they can win with Rose and the rest of this cast.

McDermott is already a fan fav, tickets are sold and we'll be tops in attendance and turn a profit. Thats a success for the orginization and what Garpax are paid to do. They don't need Love to have a successful season.

And it will be a fun season.

But it will end with SA or CLE or maybe OKC hoisting the trophy and Bulls fans sitting at home wondering why we didn't trade for Love when we had the chance. LOVE is better than any player on this roster. He's a 25 yr old stud that you should blow up your roster to pair with the 25 yer old guy the Bulls have already hitched their wagon to - Rose.

This has shades of the Cartwright for Oakley trade. That was not popular but it was bold and took a a couple of years to see why they made it.

We should be doing the same here. This is it, once he gets moved he's not going to be on the market for a few years.

If you want him, now is the time.

The Bulls don't want him badly enough.

Personally I'm fine with it either way. Bulls and Wolves are my 2 favorite teams and I hate LeBron while Love is my favorite, so of course I don't want Love in Cleveland.

There are a few things I'm looking at here. THIS season, the Bulls are better if they do the trade. Next season they might not be, especially if Love doesn't re-sign. Then they're gutted for 1-year rental. I am hoping that Love ditches Cleveland after a year if he goes there, which is exactly what I'm hoping doesn't happen if the unimaginable, the Bulls trading for Love, happens.

[D_GoLow]

Love is on the table, that is a definate fact.

We have the assets to make a trade with them. But we won't offer some of those guys so we will loose out on an All Star who could end up in our own division. Maybe CLE and MN have something worked out but until it's official we should still be in pursuit.

The only player we should not include in the trade is the only guy we can't trade - Rose.

Other than that the Bulls should be willing to offer anyone else MN wants. Noah, Taj, Butler, McDermott, Mirotec - anyone. We could blow them away with a deal. But we're not and this is a another long term gamble by the Bulls FO thinking they can win with Rose and the rest of this cast.

McDermott is already a fan fav, tickets are sold and we'll be tops in attendance and turn a profit. Thats a success for the orginization and what Garpax are paid to do. They don't need Love to have a successful season.

And it will be a fun season.

But it will end with SA or CLE or maybe OKC hoisting the trophy and Bulls fans sitting at home wondering why we didn't trade for Love when we had the chance. LOVE is better than any player on this roster. He's a 25 yr old stud that you should blow up your roster to pair with the 25 yer old guy the Bulls have already hitched their wagon to - Rose.

This has shades of the Cartwright for Oakley trade. That was not popular but it was bold and took a a couple of years to see why they made it.

We should be doing the same here. This is it, once he gets moved he's not going to be on the market for a few years.

If you want him, now is the time.

The Bulls don't want him badly enough.

I agree and it's disappointing, the Bulls front office should be doing whatever it takes to get Kevin Love and pair him with Derrick Rose. Instead they grow to attached to the players on this roster, we have seen this before.

It's not worth blowing a potentially good team for a 1 year rental, sorry.

[DRoseCantStop]

Love is on the table, that is a definate fact.

We have the assets to make a trade with them. But we won't offer some of those guys so we will loose out on an All Star who could end up in our own division. Maybe CLE and MN have something worked out but until it's official we should still be in pursuit.

The only player we should not include in the trade is the only guy we can't trade - Rose.

Other than that the Bulls should be willing to offer anyone else MN wants. Noah, Taj, Butler, McDermott, Mirotec - anyone. We could blow them away with a deal. But we're not and this is a another long term gamble by the Bulls FO thinking they can win with Rose and the rest of this cast.

McDermott is already a fan fav, tickets are sold and we'll be tops in attendance and turn a profit. Thats a success for the orginization and what Garpax are paid to do. They don't need Love to have a successful season.

And it will be a fun season.

But it will end with SA or CLE or maybe OKC hoisting the trophy and Bulls fans sitting at home wondering why we didn't trade for Love when we had the chance. LOVE is better than any player on this roster. He's a 25 yr old stud that you should blow up your roster to pair with the 25 yer old guy the Bulls have already hitched their wagon to - Rose.

This has shades of the Cartwright for Oakley trade. That was not popular but it was bold and took a a couple of years to see why they made it.

We should be doing the same here. This is it, once he gets moved he's not going to be on the market for a few years.

If you want him, now is the time.

The Bulls don't want him badly enough.

I agree and it's disappointing, the Bulls front office should be doing whatever it takes to get Kevin Love and pair him with Derrick Rose. Instead they grow to attached to the players on this roster, we have seen this before.

It's not worth blowing a potentially good team for a 1 year rental, sorry.

Yeah, because I totally believe Love would ditch playing with an MVP in Chicago to go play with a broken Kobe in Los Angeles.

[Proven_Winner]

If the FO doesn't want Love that bad then there is no reason to criticize. Apparently they don't think he's worth the asking price especially since he's gone next year and most likely getting the max. Everyone keeps saying we are attached to our players so much, but didn't we let BG go? Didn't we trade Deng and Kirk? Didn't we let Omer go?

Just because we didn't get a borderline superstar who would've cost a ton to get doesn't mean we should be bashing the FO.

[DRoseCantStop]

Love is on the table, that is a definate fact.

We have the assets to make a trade with them. But we won't offer some of those guys so we will loose out on an All Star who could end up in our own division. Maybe CLE and MN have something worked out but until it's official we should still be in pursuit.

The only player we should not include in the trade is the only guy we can't trade - Rose.

Other than that the Bulls should be willing to offer anyone else MN wants. Noah, Taj, Butler, McDermott, Mirotec - anyone. We could blow them away with a deal. But we're not and this is a another long term gamble by the Bulls FO thinking they can win with Rose and the rest of this cast.

McDermott is already a fan fav, tickets are sold and we'll be tops in attendance and turn a profit. Thats a success for the orginization and what Garpax are paid to do. They don't need Love to have a successful season.

And it will be a fun season.

But it will end with SA or CLE or maybe OKC hoisting the trophy and Bulls fans sitting at home wondering why we didn't trade for Love when we had the chance. LOVE is better than any player on this roster. He's a 25 yr old stud that you should blow up your roster to pair with the 25 yer old guy the Bulls have already hitched their wagon to - Rose.

This has shades of the Cartwright for Oakley trade. That was not popular but it was bold and took a a couple of years to see why they made it.

We should be doing the same here. This is it, once he gets moved he's not going to be on the market for a few years.

If you want him, now is the time.

The Bulls don't want him badly enough.

Personally I'm fine with it either way. Bulls and Wolves are my 2 favorite teams and I hate LeBron while Love is my favorite, so of course I don't want Love in Cleveland.

There are a few things I'm looking at here. THIS season, the Bulls are better if they do the trade. Next season they might not be, especially if Love doesn't re-sign. Then they're gutted for 1-year rental. I am hoping that Love ditches Cleveland after a year if he goes there, which is exactly what I'm hoping doesn't happen if the unimaginable, the Bulls trading for Love, happens.

Shades of 2012 Lakers right here. Someone get the popcorn if Love very well gets traded to Cleveland, this gon b gud.

[johnnyvann840]

If the FO doesn't want Love that bad then there is no reason to criticize. Apparently they don't think he's worth the asking price especially since he's gone next year and most likely getting the max. Everyone keeps saying we are attached to our players so much, but didn't we let BG go? Didn't we trade Deng and Kirk? Didn't we let Omer go?

Just because we didn't get a borderline superstar who would've cost a ton to get doesn't mean we should be bashing the FO.

Yeah, if I'm the Bulls FO and Love refuses to commit to a long term ext, I am no longer putting any assets on the table for him. I'm done and moving on and they are. We are not getting Kevin Love, that much is clear.

[D_GoLow]

I agree and it's disappointing, the Bulls front office should be doing whatever it takes to get Kevin Love and pair him with Derrick Rose. Instead they grow to attached to the players on this roster, we have seen this before.

It's not worth blowing a potentially good team for a 1 year rental, sorry.

Yeah, because I totally believe Love would ditch playing with an MVP in Chicago to go play with a broken Kobe in Los Angeles.

Who's the MVP? Lebron?

[DRoseCantStop]

It's not worth blowing a potentially good team for a 1 year rental, sorry.

Yeah, because I totally believe Love would ditch playing with an MVP in Chicago to go play with a broken Kobe in Los Angeles.

Who's the MVP? Lebron?

Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

[D_GoLow]

If the FO doesn't want Love that bad then there is no reason to criticize. Apparently they don't think he's worth the asking price especially since he's gone next year and most likely getting the max. Everyone keeps saying we are attached to our players so much, but didn't we let BG go? Didn't we trade Deng and Kirk? Didn't we let Omer go?

Just because we didn't get a borderline superstar who would've cost a ton to get doesn't mean we should be bashing the FO.

Yeah, if I'm the Bulls FO and Love refuses to commit to a long term ext, I am no longer putting any assets on the table for him. I'm done and moving on and they are. We are not getting Kevin Love, that much is clear.

It's sad that there are delusional fans who think we still MIGHT land Love.

So gullible

[panthermark]

I don't know what was offered. And I can see how the extension part is a huge red flag.

The latest ESPN article said it was strictly for financial reasons (which makes sesne, as that is what LMA is doing)...but man....it seems like Love has his eye on so-cal....and that would bother me.

The crappy part is that this won't shake out for weeks because it can't be discussed.

[D_GoLow]

Yeah, because I totally believe Love would ditch playing with an MVP in Chicago to go play with a broken Kobe in Los Angeles.

Who's the MVP? Lebron?

Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

That was also the last time he played a full season healthy.

[johnnyvann840]

Yeah, because I totally believe Love would ditch playing with an MVP in Chicago to go play with a broken Kobe in Los Angeles.

Who's the MVP? Lebron?

Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

you are right about that..but if you think the Bulls should still go after Love with the HOPE he is going to stay here. I strongly disagree. That is a gamble you just don't make. Screw him.. He either commits, or we're not interested in giving up shiiit for him on a rental..

[DRoseCantStop]

Who's the MVP? Lebron?

Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

That was also the last time he played a full season healthy.

The good ol' days

[TheStig]

If the FO doesn't want Love that bad then there is no reason to criticize. Apparently they don't think he's worth the asking price especially since he's gone next year and most likely getting the max. Everyone keeps saying we are attached to our players so much, but didn't we let BG go? Didn't we trade Deng and Kirk? Didn't we let Omer go?

Just because we didn't get a borderline superstar who would've cost a ton to get doesn't mean we should be bashing the FO.

But we do this all of the time and its silly. Deng wasn't worth Gasol. And then we dump Deng for future flexibility.

I have no doubt that Kevin Love will have a better career than Gibson or Dougie. Stars win in this league and a team built around Rose, Noah and Love has a bright future.

[D_GoLow]

Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

That was also the last time he played a full season healthy.

The good ol' days

What's your point?

Derrick used to ball?

[DRoseCantStop]

Who's the MVP? Lebron?

Derrick Rose.

He deserved it in 2011.

you are right about that..but if you think the Bulls should still go after Love with the HOPE he is going to stay here. I strongly disagree. That is a gamble you just don't make. Screw him.. He either commits, or we're not interested in giving up shiiit for him on a rental..

I wave the white flag on Love and move on to Anthony Davis/Kevin Durant