2019 Offseason Speculation Thread - Something gonna happen but will you like it?

[KnixinSix]

That's $1.95m in additional salary on the salary cap chart. That means you can't keep Trier (or you have to trade one of Frank, Kevin or Dennis for non-salary considerations).

Would you that: Trier + RJ for #8, #10 and #17 ?

I would do a Trier (or Frank) + RJ + #55 for #8, #10 #17 and # 35. only if Culver or Hunter was avaliable at #8 and NO have refused AD for RJ + Mitch + Dallas Picks).

Picks the last 5 years:

2018: #3 Doncic vs #8 Sexton, #10 Bridges, #17 DiVincenzo
2017: #3 Tatum vs #8 Ntilikina, #10 Collins, #17 Wilson
2016: #3 Brown vs #8 Chriss, #10 Maker, #17 Baldwin
2015: #3 Okafor vs #8 Johnson, #10 Winslow, #17 Vaughn
2014: #3 Embiid vs #8 Stauskas, #10 Payton, #17 Young

The #3 pick has had more value than the #8, #10 and #17 picks combined in 4 of the last 5 years.

So no, I wouldn't do that trade. Trust the scouts, take the player with the highest upside at #3 and run.

Bamm this isn't the NFL. NBA drafts drop fast and hard usually after top 5. Doesn't mean you can't get lucky later but it isnt nearly the same as other Sports drafts.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Atlanta just picked up the Nets #17.
3 for 8, 10 and 17. I do it.

That's $1.95m in additional salary on the salary cap chart. That means you can't keep Trier (or you have to trade one of Frank, Kevin or Dennis for non-salary considerations).

Would you that: Trier + RJ for #8, #10 and #17 ?

I would do a Trier (or Frank) + RJ + #55 for #8, #10 #17 and # 35. only if Culver or Hunter was avaliable at #8 and NO have refused AD for RJ + Mitch + Dallas Picks).

Otimo. So this is an actual thought, rather than most of the last n pages of panic.

Can't do Frank unless you actually find an explicit trade there. The "Trier" is just you have to give up having him on the squad. You can't do that with Frank. (Waive & stretching him would be bizarre as a use of assets, but not enough cap space in any case.)

Otherwise that seems fine - you agree who to draft at #3 and to do the trade if Culver or Hunter drop to #8.

[Fat Kat]

Nets are serious. Everyone was confident that the Knicks "knew something" when they traded KP. Well... maybe NJ knows something. They are the better team, and now they have two max slots.

They don’t have 2 max slots unless they shed all of the players that made them a better team. And they’re still the Nets.

[omerome]

I’m getting nervous here. Really could strike out and Nets sign get 2 FAs. Would be so embarrassing

Looks likely at this point.

Oh well, at least we will have a young team to root for and another high draft pick in 2020

It would be embarrassing in terms of public perception but the Knicks might be better off striking out in free agency and taking a long term approach.

Kyrie has some Marbury in him. Durant's body could be breaking down. Those two were never going to lead us to the promised land. In terms of building their fanbase and even stealing fans from the Knicks, this would be a coup for Brooklyn.

Honestly I don't care as long as we nail that #3 pick.

The public perception of the Knicks right now can't be any lower, so I really couldn't care less what people think.

Knick management just needs to focus on doing what's best for the team. We really shouldn't take what a lot of these media pundits seriously because if we happened to sign big name FAs, they will hop on the bandwagon quick and proclaim they were always long-time Knick fans or if we strike out, act like Max Kellerman.

[god shammgod]

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jared dudley talking sh*t about kyrie, spam kyrie's instagram with this

[DowNY]

Don’t see a reason to be concerned. Nets technically in the same situation as Clippers.
Had this trade happened June 28th/29th, then I could get the concern but like, free agency is basically 23 days away. Too much time in between for decisions to happen & change.

Rollercoaster theory tells me that we’re on a Nets dip right now. But the time 23 days roll around and the momentum has free agency on the upshift, Knicks momentum should hit again.

Say what you want about Stephen A but even he said KD has no interest in playing for the Nets.
Couple that with Cris Carter saying he’s heard within the Knicks FO that their interest in Kyrie is way overstated & the news about the Knicks focusing on KD & Kawhi, I’ll trust our guys who’s been game-planning this summer since the top of the year whereas the Nets are just jumping into the game.

[DowNY]

Nets are serious. Everyone was confident that the Knicks "knew something" when they traded KP. Well... maybe NJ knows something. They are the better team, and now they have two max slots.

So you mean to tell me the Nets could know something and be trusted but the Knicks who’s been game planning this since February can’t?
Yeah, I’ll take my chances on the team who’s behind the scenes relationships & planned for longer vs. the overachieving team who won the same amount of playoff games as the Magic but call them a playoff team, when in actuality they’re about to lose 5-6 of those “playoff” guys.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I would do a Trier (or Frank) + RJ + #55 for #8, #10 #17 and # 35. only if Culver or Hunter was avaliable at #8 and NO have refused AD for RJ + Mitch + Dallas Picks).

Picks the last 5 years:

2018: #3 Doncic vs #8 Sexton, #10 Bridges, #17 DiVincenzo
2017: #3 Tatum vs #8 Ntilikina, #10 Collins, #17 Wilson
2016: #3 Brown vs #8 Chriss, #10 Maker, #17 Baldwin
2015: #3 Okafor vs #8 Johnson, #10 Winslow, #17 Vaughn
2014: #3 Embiid vs #8 Stauskas, #10 Payton, #17 Young

The #3 pick has had more value than the #8, #10 and #17 picks combined in 4 of the last 5 years.

So no, I wouldn't do that trade. Trust the scouts, take the player with the highest upside at #3 and run.

Bamm this isn't the NFL. NBA drafts drop fast and hard usually after top 5. Doesn't mean you can't get lucky later but it isnt nearly the same as other Sports drafts.

Huh. Sorry CB - can't find your post to quote it properly right now. But - good post :thumb:

But, the moral of the story is that many years are freak years. The assessment of top talent in the NBA appears to be terrible across the league (league's worst teams). Doncic was clearly the #1 his year. And it's evident to now. If you match Ayton against Sexton plus Bridges + DiV is that so clear. 2017 - Fultz had this accident (reportedly) and hasn't been able to shoot since and probably wasn't really better than Tatum before, and Ball's shot is still completely broken. And Embiid is only a #3 because of medical issues. (While Okafor is a whole other can of worms. Hold the door.) Of course, the fact that the NCAA is completely **** but every recruiter cow-tows to it doesn't help either.

[Knick4Real]

Don’t see a reason to be concerned. Nets technically in the same situation as Clippers.
Had this trade happened June 28th/29th, then I could get the concern but like, free agency is basically 23 days away. Too much time in between for decisions to happen & change.

Rollercoaster theory tells me that we’re on a Nets dip right now. But the time 23 days roll around and the momentum has free agency on the upshift, Knicks momentum should hit again.

Say what you want about Stephen A but even he said KD has no interest in playing for the Nets.
Couple that with Cris Carter saying he’s heard within the Knicks FO that their interest in Kyrie is way overstated & the news about the Knicks focusing on KD & Kawhi, I’ll trust our guys who’s been game-planning this summer since the top of the year whereas the Nets are just jumping into the game.

THIS!!

Nets merely did what they were supposed to do. If our roles were reversed and the Nets had opened up 2 max spots in February, wouldn't the KNICKS fanbase have expected us to try to be players in the 2019 FA race too??

The way this board reacted, you would've thought the Nets had 4 max spots and commitments from KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, and AD.

[dakomish23]

Saw some questions about how much space BKN has now

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So they’re 6 mil shy of the KD Kyrie max combo.
Dumping Joe Harris does that.

They’re good for two 7-9 maxes though

Kyrie Dinwiddie
Butler Harris
LeVert
Kurocs Prince
Allen

Idk if this is a contender but that’s probably good for 50 wins

[Knick4Real]

Saw some questions about how much space BKN has now

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So, they have room for only ONE max slot (+ Russell) until they clear more room. Plus, trade can't even be completed until July. KNICKS can strike well before that.

[Capn'O]

Saw some questions about how much space BKN has now

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So they’re 6 mil shy of the KD Kyrie max combo.
Dumping Joe Harris does that.

They’re good for two 7-9 maxes though

CRABBE ATTACK MAY NOT BE ENOUGH!!!

[dakomish23]

Saw some questions about how much space BKN has now

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So, they have room for only ONE max slot (+ Russell) until they clear more room. Plus, trade can't even be completed until July. KNICKS can strike well before that.

Even if they dump Dinwiddie Harris but keep DLo, they’re at around 65. Still shy of a 10+ max and a 7-9 max. But they’re right there for two 7-9 maxes.

[dakomish23]

Saw some questions about how much space BKN has now

Read on Twitter

So they’re 6 mil shy of the KD Kyrie max combo.
Dumping Joe Harris does that.

They’re good for two 7-9 maxes though

CRABBE ATTACK MAY NOT BE ENOUGH!!!

You like this gif

[K_ick_God]

Like I said, y'all will believe me on June 30th. Crow is cooking...

I’m lost what you talking about ?

He is too. He's strutting around about something that seems either very vague or nonsensical.

[Capn'O]

Saw some questions about how much space BKN has now

Read on Twitter

So they’re 6 mil shy of the KD Kyrie max combo.
Dumping Joe Harris does that.

They’re good for two 7-9 maxes though

CRABBE ATTACK MAY NOT BE ENOUGH!!!

You like this gif

I do like it but before it was a smoking crab.

[Knick4Real]

Saw some questions about how much space BKN has now

Read on Twitter

So, they have room for only ONE max slot (+ Russell) until they clear more room. Plus, trade can't even be completed until July. KNICKS can strike well before that.

Even if they dump Dinwiddie Harris but keep DLo, they’re at around 65. Still shy of a 10+ max and a 7-9 max. But they’re right there for two 7-9 maxes.

By the time they're able to make their trade official, FA could already be over. At least for the top tier players.

[TheGreenArrow]

Let the nets get kyrie + whoever im good with RJ leading the rebuild.

Barrett and mitch is all i really need.

[dakomish23]

So, they have room for only ONE max slot (+ Russell) until they clear more room. Plus, trade can't even be completed until July. KNICKS can strike well before that.

Even if they dump Dinwiddie Harris but keep DLo, they’re at around 65. Still shy of a 10+ max and a 7-9 max. But they’re right there for two 7-9 maxes.

By the time they're able to make their trade official, FA could already be over. At least for the top tier players.

I thought they could make the deal official July 1st

[BBALLER4FR]

I can understand Kyrie wanting to play for the Nets being from South Orange when the Nets were a Jersey team and all, but why does Durant leave a championship contender, move his business to NY only to play in front of 40 people every home game? Doesn't make sense.