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2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1681 » by RHODEY » Sun May 3, 2020 6:49 pm

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Thought the exact same thing. Although he's craftier than Frank he's still raw and has a high bust potential. We absolutely can't afford to come out this draft with another Frank Ntilikina.


It’s interesting you would be so high on Haliburton then because from what I can tell his frame and game seems a lot closer to Frank’s than anybody else. I don’t see the Hayes comparison with Frank other than that they’re both French and raw af


Besides their frame, Haliburton and Frank are nothing alike. Haliburton is way better. Hayes is closer to Frank for sure


Cole is closer to DSJ :)
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1682 » by robillionaire » Sun May 3, 2020 6:50 pm

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robillionaire wrote:what about markus howard. shot 10.1 3s per game at a 41.2% clip. yeah I know he's short


Hes nasty as a scorer but not sure if he'll get drafted. DX has him as the last pick in the whole draft at #60 lol

Maybe we can get him with a 2 way contract if he goes undrafted


Isaiah thomas vibes :lol:

tankathon has him 42nd on their big board fwiw. not far off from our pick 38th
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1683 » by HEZI » Sun May 3, 2020 6:50 pm

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robillionaire wrote:what about markus howard. shot 10.1 3s per game at a 41.2% clip. yeah I know he's short


Hes nasty as a scorer but not sure if he'll get drafted. DX has him as the last pick in the whole draft at #60 lol

Maybe we can get him with a 2 way contract if he goes undrafted


Plus we have Lamar Peters who shot lights out in the GLeague. Don't know if I would use a pick on Howard rather than just call up Peters from the GLeague
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1684 » by HEZI » Sun May 3, 2020 6:56 pm

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It’s interesting you would be so high on Haliburton then because from what I can tell his frame and game seems a lot closer to Frank’s than anybody else. I don’t see the Hayes comparison with Frank other than that they’re both French and raw af


Besides their frame, Haliburton and Frank are nothing alike. Haliburton is way better. Hayes is closer to Frank for sure


Cole is closer to DSJ :)


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1685 » by Thepaintismine » Sun May 3, 2020 6:57 pm

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the one time we did win it was the time everybody insists it was rigged, I'm sure it will be the same if it ever happened again


I can live with that! :lol:


Meh...we should have rigged the Luka draft if anything. That's how we know the Knicks aren't rigging anything.


LOL, yep. It is almost like the League wants NY in mediocrity (in general). IMO it is shizzy for the league.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1686 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun May 3, 2020 6:59 pm

robillionaire wrote:
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robillionaire wrote:what about markus howard. shot 10.1 3s per game at a 41.2% clip. yeah I know he's short


Hes nasty as a scorer but not sure if he'll get drafted. DX has him as the last pick in the whole draft at #60 lol

Maybe we can get him with a 2 way contract if he goes undrafted


Isaiah thomas vibes :lol:

tankathon has him 42nd on their big board fwiw. not far off from our pick 38th

Tankathon is awful lol. I only use them to sim the lottery. They're equivalent to nbadraft.net when it comes to big boards and mocks
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1687 » by robillionaire » Sun May 3, 2020 7:05 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Hes nasty as a scorer but not sure if he'll get drafted. DX has him as the last pick in the whole draft at #60 lol

Maybe we can get him with a 2 way contract if he goes undrafted


Isaiah thomas vibes :lol:

tankathon has him 42nd on their big board fwiw. not far off from our pick 38th

Tankathon is awful lol. I only use them to sim the lottery. They're equivalent to nbadraft.net when it comes to big boards and mocks


i thought last year they were pretty spot on and they actually edit their rankings regularly unlike nbadraft.net everybody knows that's trash
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1688 » by RHODEY » Sun May 3, 2020 7:08 pm

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Besides their frame, Haliburton and Frank are nothing alike. Haliburton is way better. Hayes is closer to Frank for sure


Cole is closer to DSJ :)


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Post#1689 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Sun May 3, 2020 7:16 pm

Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill,” Brickley said. “As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.

“If you watch the tape, he’d get double-teamed, he’d make the extra pass. Sometimes you know how it goes. If you don’t have someone stretching the floor, knocking down shots, you’re not getting the assist.”

While a freakish athlete, Anthony needs improvement on his outside shot. He was respectable at 34.8 percent from 3. “Most NBA players that get to the right organization, they become better shooters,” Brickley said. “That will definitely happen with Cole.”


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1690 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun May 3, 2020 7:40 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:
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Isaiah thomas vibes :lol:

tankathon has him 42nd on their big board fwiw. not far off from our pick 38th

Tankathon is awful lol. I only use them to sim the lottery. They're equivalent to nbadraft.net when it comes to big boards and mocks


i thought last year they were pretty spot on and they actually edit their rankings regularly unlike nbadraft.net everybody knows that's trash

I cant remember them last year but they're really off this year. They have Cole really low at 17 (I dont even think he's that bad), Aleksej Pokuševski at #10 (Who tf is that??), Precious Achiuwa at #30...etc
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1691 » by RHODEY » Sun May 3, 2020 7:53 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Tankathon is awful lol. I only use them to sim the lottery. They're equivalent to nbadraft.net when it comes to big boards and mocks


i thought last year they were pretty spot on and they actually edit their rankings regularly unlike nbadraft.net everybody knows that's trash

I cant remember them last year but they're really off this year. They have Cole really low at 17 (I dont even think he's that bad), Aleksej Pokuševski at #10 (Who tf is that??), Precious Achiuwa at #30...etc



He might not be that low but should he be that high? I have him around 9-12 range. These were former Virginia Tech coach Seth Green berg's thought's on Cole:

Greenberg doesn’t believe Anthony will turn out as well as Bulls lottery pick and fellow UNC product Coby White.
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“He’s a poor man’s Coby White,” Greenberg said. “I think he’s physically strong, he could be a good defender, but he’s not a point guard. He’s a ball guard. He doesn’t see things very early, doesn’t have great natural vision. He’s an average-at-best shooter. His shot selection wasn’t good, but his team wasn’t good. It’s not like he has this dynamic playmaking ability.”

Greenberg continued the critique of the 19-year-old Anthony, who averaged 18.5 points on 38-percent shooting. “He’s got a good first step, but not great and he’s not a freak athlete,” Greenberg said. “I don’t think I’ve ever seen at any level great vision and he’s undersized.”


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1692 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun May 3, 2020 8:04 pm

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robillionaire wrote:
i thought last year they were pretty spot on and they actually edit their rankings regularly unlike nbadraft.net everybody knows that's trash

I cant remember them last year but they're really off this year. They have Cole really low at 17 (I dont even think he's that bad), Aleksej Pokuševski at #10 (Who tf is that??), Precious Achiuwa at #30...etc



He might not be that low but should he be that high? I have him around 9-12 range. These were former Virginia Tech coach Seth Green berg's thought's on Cole:

Greenberg doesn’t believe Anthony will turn out as well as Bulls lottery pick and fellow UNC product Coby White.
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“He’s a poor man’s Coby White,” Greenberg said. “I think he’s physically strong, he could be a good defender, but he’s not a point guard. He’s a ball guard. He doesn’t see things very early, doesn’t have great natural vision. He’s an average-at-best shooter. His shot selection wasn’t good, but his team wasn’t good. It’s not like he has this dynamic playmaking ability.”

Greenberg continued the critique of the 19-year-old Anthony, who averaged 18.5 points on 38-percent shooting. “He’s got a good first step, but not great and he’s not a freak athlete,” Greenberg said. “I don’t think I’ve ever seen at any level great vision and he’s undersized.”


https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/the-point-guard-who-could-be-knicks-safest-nba-draft-option/

I think he's a lot more talented than Coby White. I was not a fan of Coby coming out of college. Coby might have proven me wrong though. He started to get hot as the season ended

I do have Cole in the same range as you. 17 is way too low for him. He's not that bad imo. If he fell that low I would trade our
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1693 » by WargamesX » Sun May 3, 2020 10:36 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Tankathon is awful lol. I only use them to sim the lottery. They're equivalent to nbadraft.net when it comes to big boards and mocks


i thought last year they were pretty spot on and they actually edit their rankings regularly unlike nbadraft.net everybody knows that's trash

I cant remember them last year but they're really off this year. They have Cole really low at 17 (I dont even think he's that bad), Aleksej Pokuševski at #10 (Who tf is that??), Precious Achiuwa at #30...etc


They tend to emphasize both rumors and team needs when making their mocks. I don’t think they go by talent level.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1694 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun May 3, 2020 11:45 pm

WargamesX wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
i thought last year they were pretty spot on and they actually edit their rankings regularly unlike nbadraft.net everybody knows that's trash

I cant remember them last year but they're really off this year. They have Cole really low at 17 (I dont even think he's that bad), Aleksej Pokuševski at #10 (Who tf is that??), Precious Achiuwa at #30...etc


They tend to emphasize both rumors and team needs when making their mocks. I don’t think they go by talent level.

Nah I'm talking about their big board. That's based on talent and its terrible lol

Their mocks are a little better though
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1695 » by malik959 » Mon May 4, 2020 1:10 am

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RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Besides their frame, Haliburton and Frank are nothing alike. Haliburton is way better. Hayes is closer to Frank for sure


Cole is closer to DSJ :)


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1696 » by WargamesX » Mon May 4, 2020 1:22 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I cant remember them last year but they're really off this year. They have Cole really low at 17 (I dont even think he's that bad), Aleksej Pokuševski at #10 (Who tf is that??), Precious Achiuwa at #30...etc


They tend to emphasize both rumors and team needs when making their mocks. I don’t think they go by talent level.

Nah I'm talking about their big board. That's based on talent and its terrible lol

Their mocks are a little better though


Their mocks tend to be decent, especially because they update them regularly. I think with Knox there was a rumor a day or two before the draft that he was going to be our pick so they put him there on their mock. Also even with Cole at 17 they do have him as the 4th best PG in the draft which is true.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

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HEZI wrote:
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Cole is closer to DSJ :)


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1699 » by HEZI » Mon May 4, 2020 2:18 am

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/nba-draft-cole-anthonys-trainer-quells-doubt-about-unc-season/

Chris Brickley, Cole Anthony’s trainer since he was 16, was delighted by the point guard’s quarantine request.
The Manhattan product asked Brickley if they could scour tape of his underachieving freshman season at North Carolina via Zoom.
It was a perfect learning tool during the coronavirus pandemic preventing them from live training.
“We watched the whole UNC season over again,” said Brickley, former Knicks player development coordinator from 2013 to 2016. “That was pretty cool. That wasn’t even my idea – to be honest. I approach players a lot about “lets’ do this with mini projects.’ But he came to me. It showed he’s a student of the game. And he wanted to take a look about how he could’ve done better from a maturity standpoint.”

Anthony is a projected lottery pick in the June 25 NBA draft – slated anywhere from No. 5 to 15 in mock drafts. “I don’t know a lot of lottery kids that would want to do that with their time,’’ Brickley said. “He learned a ton.”
Brickley is Carmelo Anthony’s longtime trainer and now has another Anthony with Knicks ties to groom. The son of ex-Knick guard Greg Anthony has various stigmas attached to him after tearing a meniscus in his knee in December.

“My take is you had a UNC team not very strong and he was put in a no-win situation,” Brickley said. “When I hear he had a bad personal season, I shake my head. He ended the season second-leading scoring freshman in the country.
“He figured out a way against defenses that were geared toward him. He was the only best option on the team. It wasn’t an easy situation for him.”While the knee injury is considered a negative to some, Brickley termed it “a pivotal moment.” Anthony returned on Feb. 1 after a six-week absence.
“Ninety percent of projected lottery picks, with the team not doing well, they’re not going to come back,” Brickley said. “That spoke volumes. He came back the first few games, took charges and sacrificed his body. It was a testament to his toughness and how much he cares.” Brickley started training Anthony when he was 16 and playing for Archbishop Molloy in Queens. Anthony transferred to basketball factory Oak Hill Academy, where in 2018-19 he averaged a triple double (18.5 points, 10.2 rebounds, 10.2 assists).


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Though he logged UNC numbers of 18.5 points, 5.7 rebounds and four assists per game, he shot an inefficient 38 percent. Criticism also surfaced about him not being a good enough playmaker who makes teammates better.

“Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill,” Brickley said. “As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.
“If you watch the tape, he’d get double-teamed, he’d make the extra pass. Sometimes you know how it goes. If you don’t have someone stretching the floor, knocking down shots, you’re not getting the assist.”

While a freakish athlete, Anthony needs improvement on his outside shot. He was respectable at 34.8 percent from 3. “Most NBA players that get to the right organization, they become better shooters,” Brickley said. “That will definitely happen with Cole.”
A strong relationship with Anthony’s parents helped the bond of player-trainer. Brickley calls Anthony’s mother, Crystal, a movie producer, author and a “mother figure” to him. Brickley’s own mom passed when he was a child.
Greg Anthony, who played for the Knicks during the glory days from 1991-1995, has dropped into their workouts across the years, giving input. Greg Anthony lives in Florida. “He’s given me pointers – the next couple of weeks work on this, then focus on this, watch (Stephen) Curry film,” Brickley said. “He’s definitely been part of the development process.”

Last summer, Brickley got Anthony in a gym with Donovan Mitchell, Trae Young and D’Angelo Russell to “see the type of work ethic these guys have.”

Brickley’s two charges, Cole Anthony and Carmelo Anthony, have also played 1-on-1 in the gym. Carmelo is currently quarantining in Portland.

“It’s ridiculous how really tough he is on himself,” Brickley said. “If you want to watch a workout, you’d be like “whoa.” l’ll have him do a drill — if he doesn’t get that score, he’s going to want to do it again and again until he gets it. He’s extremely competitive. He embodies that New York toughness. I don’t know if it’s being born here, playing here but he’s a very tough kid. At the next level, that will allow him to get better.”

Brickley hopes Cole winds up a Knick, in the market for a scoring point guard.
“I’ve asked him about it,” Brickley said. “He doesn’t want to be drafted by a team that puts him to the side and doesn’t make it a priority to develop him. He wants to be put in a situation where he can be with a good coaching staff willing to keep improving his game. He’d love to play in New York for sure. He grew up in Manhattan.

“Over the years, Knicks would draft guys from the New York area and it hasn’t gone well off the court. He’s got two really good parents who kept his head on straight. They always told him what was right and wrong. If the Knicks draft him, I don’t think you have to worry off the court.”
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#1700 » by WargamesX » Mon May 4, 2020 2:28 am

HEZI wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/nba-draft-cole-anthonys-trainer-quells-doubt-about-unc-season/

Chris Brickley, Cole Anthony’s trainer since he was 16, was delighted by the point guard’s quarantine request.
The Manhattan product asked Brickley if they could scour tape of his underachieving freshman season at North Carolina via Zoom.
It was a perfect learning tool during the coronavirus pandemic preventing them from live training.
“We watched the whole UNC season over again,” said Brickley, former Knicks player development coordinator from 2013 to 2016. “That was pretty cool. That wasn’t even my idea – to be honest. I approach players a lot about “lets’ do this with mini projects.’ But he came to me. It showed he’s a student of the game. And he wanted to take a look about how he could’ve done better from a maturity standpoint.”

Anthony is a projected lottery pick in the June 25 NBA draft – slated anywhere from No. 5 to 15 in mock drafts. “I don’t know a lot of lottery kids that would want to do that with their time,’’ Brickley said. “He learned a ton.”
Brickley is Carmelo Anthony’s longtime trainer and now has another Anthony with Knicks ties to groom. The son of ex-Knick guard Greg Anthony has various stigmas attached to him after tearing a meniscus in his knee in December.

“My take is you had a UNC team not very strong and he was put in a no-win situation,” Brickley said. “When I hear he had a bad personal season, I shake my head. He ended the season second-leading scoring freshman in the country.
“He figured out a way against defenses that were geared toward him. He was the only best option on the team. It wasn’t an easy situation for him.”While the knee injury is considered a negative to some, Brickley termed it “a pivotal moment.” Anthony returned on Feb. 1 after a six-week absence.
“Ninety percent of projected lottery picks, with the team not doing well, they’re not going to come back,” Brickley said. “That spoke volumes. He came back the first few games, took charges and sacrificed his body. It was a testament to his toughness and how much he cares.” Brickley started training Anthony when he was 16 and playing for Archbishop Molloy in Queens. Anthony transferred to basketball factory Oak Hill Academy, where in 2018-19 he averaged a triple double (18.5 points, 10.2 rebounds, 10.2 assists).


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Though he logged UNC numbers of 18.5 points, 5.7 rebounds and four assists per game, he shot an inefficient 38 percent. Criticism also surfaced about him not being a good enough playmaker who makes teammates better.

“Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill,” Brickley said. “As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.
“If you watch the tape, he’d get double-teamed, he’d make the extra pass. Sometimes you know how it goes. If you don’t have someone stretching the floor, knocking down shots, you’re not getting the assist.”

While a freakish athlete, Anthony needs improvement on his outside shot. He was respectable at 34.8 percent from 3. “Most NBA players that get to the right organization, they become better shooters,” Brickley said. “That will definitely happen with Cole.”
A strong relationship with Anthony’s parents helped the bond of player-trainer. Brickley calls Anthony’s mother, Crystal, a movie producer, author and a “mother figure” to him. Brickley’s own mom passed when he was a child.
Greg Anthony, who played for the Knicks during the glory days from 1991-1995, has dropped into their workouts across the years, giving input. Greg Anthony lives in Florida. “He’s given me pointers – the next couple of weeks work on this, then focus on this, watch (Stephen) Curry film,” Brickley said. “He’s definitely been part of the development process.”

Last summer, Brickley got Anthony in a gym with Donovan Mitchell, Trae Young and D’Angelo Russell to “see the type of work ethic these guys have.”

Brickley’s two charges, Cole Anthony and Carmelo Anthony, have also played 1-on-1 in the gym. Carmelo is currently quarantining in Portland.

“It’s ridiculous how really tough he is on himself,” Brickley said. “If you want to watch a workout, you’d be like “whoa.” l’ll have him do a drill — if he doesn’t get that score, he’s going to want to do it again and again until he gets it. He’s extremely competitive. He embodies that New York toughness. I don’t know if it’s being born here, playing here but he’s a very tough kid. At the next level, that will allow him to get better.”

Brickley hopes Cole winds up a Knick, in the market for a scoring point guard.
“I’ve asked him about it,” Brickley said. “He doesn’t want to be drafted by a team that puts him to the side and doesn’t make it a priority to develop him. He wants to be put in a situation where he can be with a good coaching staff willing to keep improving his game. He’d love to play in New York for sure. He grew up in Manhattan.

“Over the years, Knicks would draft guys from the New York area and it hasn’t gone well off the court. He’s got two really good parents who kept his head on straight. They always told him what was right and wrong. If the Knicks draft him, I don’t think you have to worry off the court.”


“Brickley hopes Cole winds up a Knick, in the market for a scoring point guard.

“I’ve asked him about it,” Brickley said. He doesn’t want to be drafted by a team that puts him to the side and doesn’t make it a priority to develop him. He wants to be put in a situation where he can be with a good coaching staff willing to keep improving his game. He’d love to play in New York for sure. He grew up in Manhattan.”

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Is he talking about the Knicks? The Knicks are in Manhattan but I don’t recognize any of these other things he’s talking about.
Matthew 6:5
Luke 15:3-7

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