The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

CoreyVillains · Post #1681 » by **CoreyVillains** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:09 pm

Put together a little side by side of Pats game vs OKC mixed with his Film Sesh I did on him at FSU. I didn’t think most NBA teams would allow him to play off his midrange so much, so it’s incredibly refreshing seeing Donovan allow Pat to be himself.

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stormi · Post #1682 » by **stormi** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:11 pm

Is there a story behind his hair? Is it dyed, or maybe au naturel

CjayC · Post #1683 » by **CjayC** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:18 pm

stormi wrote:Is there a story behind his hair? Is it dyed, or maybe au naturel

It's called Poliosis, which is lacking pigment in the hair. He also has vitiligo a little bit, which is lack of pigment in the skin.

Post #1684 » by **fleet** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:32 pm

It can happen if you are created in a lab as well

gobullschi · Post #1685 » by **gobullschi** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:58 am

My biggest concern with Patrick Williams is his lack of confidence. Elite NBA players just have a different mentality. I'm not sure if this is something that develops this late into a player's career. Yes. That sounds weird, because he is only 19 years old, but the elite players in the NBA are just different...even out of high school.

I'm hoping that because his demeanor on the court doesn't match it off the court, that this won't be an issue, but the mentality a player has is usually what separates the greats, from the normal. You don't say the "Mamba" mentality for nothing.

Clocian · Post #1686 » by **Clocian** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:45 am

gobullschi wrote:My biggest concern with Patrick Williams is his lack of confidence. Elite NBA players just have a different mentality. I'm not sure if this is something that develops this late into a player's career. Yes. That sounds weird, because he is only 19 years old, but the elite players in the NBA are just different...even out of high school.

I'm hoping that because his demeanor on the court doesn't match it off the court, that this won't be an issue, but the mentality a player has is usually what separates the greats, from the normal. You don't say the "Mamba" mentality for nothing.

Lack of confidence? Am I watching the same player lol? Lauri, is a player who lacks confidence.

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CjayC · Post #1687 » by **CjayC** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:00 am

Clocian wrote:
gobullschi wrote:My biggest concern with Patrick Williams is his lack of confidence. Elite NBA players just have a different mentality. I'm not sure if this is something that develops this late into a player's career. Yes. That sounds weird, because he is only 19 years old, but the elite players in the NBA are just different...even out of high school.

I'm hoping that because his demeanor on the court doesn't match it off the court, that this won't be an issue, but the mentality a player has is usually what separates the greats, from the normal. You don't say the "Mamba" mentality for nothing.
Lack of confidence? Am I watching the same player lol? Lauri, is a player who lacks confidence.

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Yeah he's been getting his in the flow of the offense, but I don't see someone whose scared. Wouldn't describe him as lacking confidence, in comparison to a Tony Snell or Markkanen as you said.

Just_Bullz · Post #1688 » by **Just_Bullz** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:03 am

Android deployed: Pat Will
Slayer mode: Engaged.
Targets: Jimmy Butler, Bron, Klaw
Projected timeline: Year 3
Requirement: Patience

Costa78 · Post #1689 » by **Costa78** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:14 am

gobullschi wrote:My biggest concern with Patrick Williams is his lack of confidence. Elite NBA players just have a different mentality. I'm not sure if this is something that develops this late into a player's career. Yes. That sounds weird, because he is only 19 years old, but the elite players in the NBA are just different...even out of high school.

I'm hoping that because his demeanor on the court doesn't match it off the court, that this won't be an issue, but the mentality a player has is usually what separates the greats, from the normal. You don't say the "Mamba" mentality for nothing.

You came to this conclusion after 3 preseason games? I must be watching a different player. He's looked calm, collected, and poised for a 19yo. Killer mentality comes from confidence that more than 3 games to develop.

Dez · Post #1690 » by **Dez** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:30 am

gobullschi wrote:My biggest concern with Patrick Williams is his lack of confidence. Elite NBA players just have a different mentality. I'm not sure if this is something that develops this late into a player's career. Yes. That sounds weird, because he is only 19 years old, but the elite players in the NBA are just different...even out of high school.

I'm hoping that because his demeanor on the court doesn't match it off the court, that this won't be an issue, but the mentality a player has is usually what separates the greats, from the normal. You don't say the "Mamba" mentality for nothing.

This is just a bizarre takeaway from what we've seen so far of Williams.

Post #1691 » by **DuckIII** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:45 am

Agree. Willy oozes a steady confidence on both ends of the court. He knows he belongs. It shows.

biggestbullsfan · Post #1692 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:08 am

I remember when ppl said they would pass on Lamelo Ball if he fell to us. Kid is looking amazing out there lol

ZOMG · Post #1693 » by **ZOMG** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:33 am

While I like PWill - the regular season will show us what he's really made of, not these meaningless games. He'll no longer be defended by G League players and teams will start paying attention to him if he gets significant PT.

gobullschi · Post #1694 » by **gobullschi** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:40 am

CjayC wrote:
Clocian wrote:
gobullschi wrote:My biggest concern with Patrick Williams is his lack of confidence. Elite NBA players just have a different mentality. I'm not sure if this is something that develops this late into a player's career. Yes. That sounds weird, because he is only 19 years old, but the elite players in the NBA are just different...even out of high school.

I'm hoping that because his demeanor on the court doesn't match it off the court, that this won't be an issue, but the mentality a player has is usually what separates the greats, from the normal. You don't say the "Mamba" mentality for nothing.
Lack of confidence? Am I watching the same player lol? Lauri, is a player who lacks confidence.

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Yeah he's been getting his in the flow of the offense, but I don't see someone whose scared. Wouldn't describe him as lacking confidence, in comparison to a Tony Snell or Markkanen as you said.

I never said he was playing scared. He actually looks like he’s picking up the pace of the NBA quickly. He’s already proven he has the quickness to stay in front of point guards with elite speed (Wall). His mid-range game looks solid and he’s been efficient from 3 (50% 1/2). Patrick Williams certainly has erased a lot of concerns that people labeled him to have had, in this limited sample size.

I’m talking about his mentality on the court and off the court. He definitely plays within the offensive scheme, but is more hesitant in ISO situations. Coby White is trying to will that confidence into him.

Just an example, watch the on court presence of James Harden in college:

Watch on YouTube

There is a level of on court confidence that he has, that Patrick Williams has yet to showcase. His demeanor definitely differs from some of the elite talents, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t be elite. I’d like to see him be a little more aggressive to finish out the preseason.

sco · Post #1695 » by **sco** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:06 pm

I think there is difference between confidence and cockiness/bravado. I think guys who are PG/SG's who are playmakers and primary scorers have a different approach than a guy who isn't initiating the offense and is trying to play within a system more to get his shots. Is he calling for the ball? NO Is he shooting without hesitation? I think he's not chucking, but is shooting shots within the offense, IMO.

VolumePoster · Post #1696 » by **VolumePoster** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:37 pm

This was the exact debate with Derrick rose. Teammates had to argue with him to shoot more both at Memphis and Chicago. Then it morphed into Derrick not having IT, which was clearly possessed by Brandon Jennings.

Let’s see how things develop. He’s shooting quite a bit IMHO, and at high percentage.

R3AL1TY · Post #1697 » by **R3AL1TY** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:57 pm

To me when Pat got very aggressive in the 2nd game against Houston he began to turnover the ball and his shot selections weren't as good. I think he should remain getting his shots in the flow of the offense to build confidence and experience. Save the iso plays for scrub time, broken plays or when Billy give him more keys to the offense later.

gardenofsound · Post #1698 » by **gardenofsound** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:10 pm

He's going in with a Learners Mentality. He's going to need to prove himself before he can start taking a more assertive role.

Mbrahv0528 · Post #1699 » by **Mbrahv0528** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:53 pm

gobullschi wrote:
CjayC wrote:
Clocian wrote:Lack of confidence? Am I watching the same player lol? Lauri, is a player who lacks confidence.

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Yeah he's been getting his in the flow of the offense, but I don't see someone whose scared. Wouldn't describe him as lacking confidence, in comparison to a Tony Snell or Markkanen as you said.

I never said he was playing scared. He actually looks like he’s picking up the pace of the NBA quickly. He’s already proven he has the quickness to stay in front of point guards with elite speed (Wall). His mid-range game looks solid and he’s been efficient from 3 (50% 1/2). Patrick Williams certainly has erased a lot of concerns that people labeled him to have had, in this limited sample size.

I’m talking about his mentality on the court and off the court. He definitely plays within the offensive scheme, but is more hesitant in ISO situations. Coby White is trying to will that confidence into him.

Just an example, watch the on court presence of James Harden in college:

Watch on YouTube

There is a level of on court confidence that he has, that Patrick Williams has yet to showcase. His demeanor definitely differs from some of the elite talents, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t be elite. I’d like to see him be a little more aggressive to finish out the preseason.

Lol, OJ Mayo says hello.

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Benedict Miller · Post #1700 » by **Benedict Miller** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:01 pm

Clocian wrote:
gobullschi wrote:My biggest concern with Patrick Williams is his lack of confidence. Elite NBA players just have a different mentality. I'm not sure if this is something that develops this late into a player's career. Yes. That sounds weird, because he is only 19 years old, but the elite players in the NBA are just different...even out of high school.

I'm hoping that because his demeanor on the court doesn't match it off the court, that this won't be an issue, but the mentality a player has is usually what separates the greats, from the normal. You don't say the "Mamba" mentality for nothing.
Lack of confidence? Am I watching the same player lol? Lauri, is a player who lacks confidence.

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Same goes for Carter with confidence issues