Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million

[Siefer]

Going through the GM survey: Giannis as best defender and Jrue as best perimeter defender. Hard to argue with it given how much the D carried this team throughout the post-season. The Bucks took a notable step back in regular season defense metrics, both because of lack of depth and because they were more interested in using it as a laboratory and figuring out their playoff D.

Something I've been thinking about is how we had the best playoff defense by a large margin, and how it highlights the increasingly large disconnect there is between regular season and playoffs in the NBA.

The playoffs are so much more physical and we had by far the most physical team in the league. Phoenix was up there as well, no coincidence, and we manhandled them as well.

Yep, and it's one of the reasons I'm still salty as hell about Tucker. He's old as dirt and can't do anything on offense besides stand in the corner (don't mind the offensive boards), but man did I love having the option to send a malicious golem out there. This was already a physical team, and Tucker took it to a level the league hasn't seen in over a decade. There should be more talk about how physically dominant that group was. Straight up Godzilla stomped their way to a title.

[RRyder823]

Going through the GM survey: Giannis as best defender and Jrue as best perimeter defender. Hard to argue with it given how much the D carried this team throughout the post-season. The Bucks took a notable step back in regular season defense metrics, both because of lack of depth and because they were more interested in using it as a laboratory and figuring out their playoff D.

Something I've been thinking about is how we had the best playoff defense by a large margin, and how it highlights the increasingly large disconnect there is between regular season and playoffs in the NBA.

The playoffs are so much more physical and we had by far the most physical team in the league. Phoenix was up there as well, no coincidence, and we manhandled them as well.

Yep, and it's one of the reasons I'm still salty as hell about Tucker. He's old as dirt and can't do anything on offense besides stand in the corner (don't mind the offensive boards), but man did I love having the option to send a malicious golem out there. This was already a physical team, and Tucker took it to a level the league hasn't seen in over a decade. There should be more talk about how physically dominant that group was. Straight up Godzilla stomped their way to a title.

While I'm hesitant to talk bad about the defense I'm sorry but it seems you are completely overstating their defense.

They didnt "Strait up Godzilla stomp their way to a title".While the D definitely showed up in rounds one and 2 (with round two really just being against a one man army going off) Atlanta was simply over matched all around and its pretty hard to argue they were great defensively as a team (note as a team and not just Jrue and Giannis) against Phoenix in the Finals.

Just saying let's not go over board with the hyperbole when the last team they faced shot .490 from the field against them and .384 from 3 for an entire series

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[emunney]

The playoffs are so much more physical and we had by far the most physical team in the league. Phoenix was up there as well, no coincidence, and we manhandled them as well.

Yep, and it's one of the reasons I'm still salty as hell about Tucker. He's old as dirt and can't do anything on offense besides stand in the corner (don't mind the offensive boards), but man did I love having the option to send a malicious golem out there. This was already a physical team, and Tucker took it to a level the league hasn't seen in over a decade. There should be more talk about how physically dominant that group was. Straight up Godzilla stomped their way to a title.

While I'm hesitant to talk bad about the defense I'm sorry but it seems you are completely overstating their defense.

They didnt "Strait up Godzilla stomp their way to a title".While the D definitely showed up in rounds one and 2 (with round two really just being against a one man army going off) Atlanta was simply over matched all around and its pretty hard to argue they were great defensively as a team (note as a team and not just Jrue and Giannis) against Phoenix in the Finals.

Just saying let's not go over board with the hyperbole when the last team they faced shot .490 from the field against them and .384 from 3 for an entire series

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Bucks got 82.6% of defensive rebounds and 29.2% of offensive rebounds against the Suns, 76.1% and 30.2% against the Hawks, 84.7% and 22.2% against Brooklyn, and 82.9% and 31.4% against Miami. We're lucky the NBA didn't press charges.

[All The Bucks]

Going through the GM survey: Giannis as best defender

This is why it stuns me when I see polls (NBA executive or fan) that don't overwhelmingly have Giannis as the top choice to start a team from scratch with. Half of the fan polls I see don't even list him as an option, using stupid criteria and cutoffs such as 25 and younger. The guy has a top 3 defensive impact and averages just under 30 a game, while pulling in as much attention inside the arc as any player in the league. The only other player who even comes close to as much impact on both ends is Kawhi Leonard and that dude has been load managing for the past half decade.

Giannis is 26 years old, with an insane career resume already. He should be damn near unanimous as the player who would go #1 if rosters were wiped clean. Sure Durant (29) is unstoppable on one end but doesn't give you anything near what Giannis gives you on the other. Yet, the last poll of NBA execs I saw showed 40% would build a team around Giannis. Wtf are the other 60% thinking?

[ShootingtheJ]

Going through the GM survey: Giannis as best defender

This is why it stuns me when I see polls (NBA executive or fan) that don't overwhelmingly have Giannis as the top choice to start a team from scratch with. Half of the fan polls I see don't even list him as an option, using stupid criteria and cutoffs such as 25 and younger. The guy has a top 3 defensive impact and averages just under 30 a game, while pulling in as much attention inside the arc as any player in the league. The only other player who even comes close to as much impact on both ends is Kawhi Leonard and that dude has been load managing for the past half decade.

Giannis is 26 years old, with an insane career resume already. He should be damn near unanimous as the player who would go #1 if rosters were wiped clean. Sure Durant (29) is unstoppable on one end but doesn't give you anything near what Giannis gives you on the other. Yet, the last poll of NBA execs I saw showed 40% would build a team around Giannis. Wtf are the other 60% thinking?

The Bucks flushed numerous recent 1sts, had numerous free agent missteps, and still built the best team in the league. There are no good GMs, and a bunch of bad ones.

[GoldenAntlers]

By the way, Mamu looks like he's been working his ass off with Suki and Co. Looks a lot better than he did in SL. The burst attacking closeouts was noteworthy. Great start for him, on and off the court.

The Herd have a nice core, especially if they have Jemerrio. G League draft is 10/23 at noon central, set your alarms.

Whoa, happy birthday to me because the G League draft falls on my birthday. As stated in RGM bylaws, I get to shtpost for the entire day without consequence. Looking forward to see where heralded prospect Haywood Jablomi lands.

I'm marking my calendar for these coming posts.

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[GoldenAntlers]

Yea, IDK if they're allowed right now but if they are and they put a 4/60 in front of him I don't think he could sign it fast enough. And that's not me saying they should, just that in his current situation I don't think he's gambling that 60 mil. Wouldn't surprise me if 4/40 did it too

4/40 sounds more reasonable to me off of just a glance. Not trying to be cheap, his feet though.

...I guess people said that about Curry?

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[RRyder823]

Yep, and it's one of the reasons I'm still salty as hell about Tucker. He's old as dirt and can't do anything on offense besides stand in the corner (don't mind the offensive boards), but man did I love having the option to send a malicious golem out there. This was already a physical team, and Tucker took it to a level the league hasn't seen in over a decade. There should be more talk about how physically dominant that group was. Straight up Godzilla stomped their way to a title.

While I'm hesitant to talk bad about the defense I'm sorry but it seems you are completely overstating their defense.

They didnt "Strait up Godzilla stomp their way to a title".While the D definitely showed up in rounds one and 2 (with round two really just being against a one man army going off) Atlanta was simply over matched all around and its pretty hard to argue they were great defensively as a team (note as a team and not just Jrue and Giannis) against Phoenix in the Finals.

Just saying let's not go over board with the hyperbole when the last team they faced shot .490 from the field against them and .384 from 3 for an entire series

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Bucks got 82.6% of defensive rebounds and 29.2% of offensive rebounds against the Suns, 76.1% and 30.2% against the Hawks, 84.7% and 22.2% against Brooklyn, and 82.9% and 31.4% against Miami. We're lucky the NBA didn't press charges.

Yes they rebounded well. I was talking about their team defense as I assume the post I replied to was

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[Ron Swanson]

The whole 38% mark is incredibly skewed based on Game 5 where the Suns shot a mind-boggling 68%. Outside that, the 3 other wins after going down 0-2, we held them to a 104, 108, and 98 Off-RTG. Yeah, they suffocated them once they figured them out and when they couldn't rely on their random role guys shooting like the 2016 Warriors. The Bucks put on as much of a defensive clinic as you can in the modern NBA with 3PT variance and "freedom of movement" rules.

[ShootingtheJ]

Jordan Nwora per 36 preseason stats through 2 games: 30 points, 7.8 rebounds, 3.3 assists on 61 TS%.

[Daver]

Jordan Nwora per 36 preseason stats through 2 games: 30 points, 7.8 rebounds, 3.3 assists on 61 TS%.

Could this guy be our forbes type of guy or like a reddick a 3 pt sniper god knows we need one.Or is this board maybe like expecting him to be much more than that type of player those stats per 36 are very impressive.Im assuming that 61 TS % is really good

[TroyD92]

Loving what I've seen from Nwora. Starting to expect some big things off the bench for him.

[Illawarra_Buck]

Jordan Nwora per 36 preseason stats through 2 games: 30 points, 7.8 rebounds, 3.3 assists on 61 TS%.

Could this guy be our forbes type of guy or like a reddick a 3 pt sniper god knows we need one.Or is this board maybe like expecting him to be much more than that type of player those stats per 36 are very impressive.Im assuming that 61 TS % is really good

I guess that really depends on how you view the roles and futures of DDV and Grayson.

I vaguely remember a talking point around the rationale for Allen's recruitment was his relatively high efficiency on the catch and shoot 3. About 40% if I remember correctly. If he can emulate that on decent volume, he's an excellent fit for our spacing around Giannis system in that bench scorer/sniper role.

But if you view the Allen acquisition as more than that, as finding a "cheaper Donte" and possible starter on a soon to be extended contract, then that bench shooter role is obviously Jordan's for the taking.

That's probably an overly simplistic take but I'd be curious to hear if others see DDV, Allen and Nwora as a possible 3 guys into 2 roles/slots moving forward type deal. I know very little about NBA roster construction, cap etc, but that kinda just feels intuitive to me.

[ShootingtheJ]

Jordan Nwora per 36 preseason stats through 2 games: 30 points, 7.8 rebounds, 3.3 assists on 61 TS%.

Could this guy be our forbes type of guy or like a reddick a 3 pt sniper god knows we need one.Or is this board maybe like expecting him to be much more than that type of player those stats per 36 are very impressive.Im assuming that 61 TS % is really good

To put True Shooting % in to context, Middleton, Booker, and Beal all had a 59 TS% last year. Herro, who Nwora has similarities to, had a 55 and 54 in his 2 seasons.

Nwora can play Forbes minutes, but we won't need to constantly run set plays to get Nwora shots like we did with Forbes. Nwora can get his own shots. Nwora will be much easier to hide on defense because of his length allows him to match up with different positions.

In the past, our Giannis at center lineups struggled because the rest of the lineup was too small, and got killed on the glass. I see a lot of Giannis Middleton Nwora Jrue and Allen/Donte lineups in our future.

[buckboy]

Yep, and it's one of the reasons I'm still salty as hell about Tucker. He's old as dirt and can't do anything on offense besides stand in the corner (don't mind the offensive boards), but man did I love having the option to send a malicious golem out there. This was already a physical team, and Tucker took it to a level the league hasn't seen in over a decade. There should be more talk about how physically dominant that group was. Straight up Godzilla stomped their way to a title.

While I'm hesitant to talk bad about the defense I'm sorry but it seems you are completely overstating their defense.

They didnt "Strait up Godzilla stomp their way to a title".While the D definitely showed up in rounds one and 2 (with round two really just being against a one man army going off) Atlanta was simply over matched all around and its pretty hard to argue they were great defensively as a team (note as a team and not just Jrue and Giannis) against Phoenix in the Finals.

Just saying let's not go over board with the hyperbole when the last team they faced shot .490 from the field against them and .384 from 3 for an entire series

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Bucks got 82.6% of defensive rebounds and 29.2% of offensive rebounds against the Suns, 76.1% and 30.2% against the Hawks, 84.7% and 22.2% against Brooklyn, and 82.9% and 31.4% against Miami. We're lucky the NBA didn't press charges.

Thanks. I didn't know how to find these numbers, but the Bucks were as dominant of a rebounding team as I can recall in the playoffs.

[buckboy]

Going through the GM survey: Giannis as best defender

This is why it stuns me when I see polls (NBA executive or fan) that don't overwhelmingly have Giannis as the top choice to start a team from scratch with. Half of the fan polls I see don't even list him as an option, using stupid criteria and cutoffs such as 25 and younger. The guy has a top 3 defensive impact and averages just under 30 a game, while pulling in as much attention inside the arc as any player in the league. The only other player who even comes close to as much impact on both ends is Kawhi Leonard and that dude has been load managing for the past half decade.

Giannis is 26 years old, with an insane career resume already. He should be damn near unanimous as the player who would go #1 if rosters were wiped clean. Sure Durant (29) is unstoppable on one end but doesn't give you anything near what Giannis gives you on the other. Yet, the last poll of NBA execs I saw showed 40% would build a team around Giannis. Wtf are the other 60% thinking?

Durant just turned 33. Anyone who would start a franchise with him is a fool. Giannis is the answer as you stated.

[DingleJerry]

Yea anyone in that scenario that would pick anyone besides Giannis or Doncic is pretty much nuts.

[Reddeye]

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Giannis isn't wearing a sleeve on his knee in that vid. Is that a good thing or does a knee sleeve not help with that type of injury?

[SupremeHustle]

How important is a top seed to you guys this season? If the Bucks finished 3rd in the East, are you good with that? (I am.)

[StickeeFingaz]

How important is a top seed to you guys this season? If the Bucks finished 3rd in the East, are you good with that? (I am.)

Yea, that's fine. I actually heard a theory that the Bucks should allow the Nets to get home court because that means they'll be without Kyrie for 4 games in a 7 game series.