Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[twix2500]

From what Lief is reporting and how Windy is reporter the value that Wiz will get in return for Beal may be something like this.

Which would position themselves to make a second trade for another big name. Possibly OG, Collins or Siakum or someone else. player

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[Beenie]

Can you imagine this team adding Beal turner buddy and McConnell? It’d be a wrap

I can imagine it.

In fact, I can see a scenario in which Mia can get Dame with Grant instead of Beal and still get Hield, Turner, and McConnell.

Spoiler alert, you’re not gonna like the price that it would take to get all of these guys to join Jimmy lol

Luckily the FO is too smart to do the last deal and Dame wants to be here because of Bam because he realizes how perfect of a winning and impact player he is to play with

The sober truth is that the possibility of getting Dame to Mia without trading Bam is beyond a long shot.

5 guys pod had a so called plugged in guy on their recent show and he confirmed the notion

[MettaWorldPanda]

From what Lief is reporting and how Windy is reporter the value that Wiz will get in return for Beal may be something like this.

Which would position themselves to make a second trade for another big name. Possibly OG, Collins or Siakum or someone else. player

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Doubtful. Continuing to disregard the tax and the second apron compounding long term salary onto the cap. The biggest gift Beal is going to do for us is get the Wiz to take on Duncan’s contract with Herro. Bobby Marks is spot on with his deal. I see a high probability of Lowry coming back for one more run with fellow Bartlestein client Beal and allowing his 30 mil to expire next year to offset the signings this year that press us against the 19.5 mil second apron. With him expiring next year it gets us to about full no tax payer MLE money to stay under the tax next year to avoid repeater in the following year.

[wade44]

I'll wait for something absolutely concrete. We've seen this smoke and mirrors show way too many times

[IceColdCubano]

From what Lief is reporting and how Windy is reporter the value that Wiz will get in return for Beal may be something like this.

Which would position themselves to make a second trade for another big name. Possibly OG, Collins or Siakum or someone else. player

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Doubtful. Continuing to disregard the tax and the second apron compounding long term salary onto the cap. The biggest gift Beal is going to do for us is get the Wiz to take on Duncan’s contract with Herro. Bobby Marks is spot on with his deal. I see a high probability of Lowry coming back for one more run with fellow Bartlestein client Beal and allowing his 30 mil to expire next year to offset the signings this year that press us against the 19.5 mil second apron. With him expiring next year it gets us to about full no tax payer MLE money to stay under the tax next year to avoid repeater in the following year.

The more I look at this Cap situation, the more im inclined to agree, Lowry is staying to help offset our salary next year when he comes off the books.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I can imagine it.

In fact, I can see a scenario in which Mia can get Dame with Grant instead of Beal and still get Hield, Turner, and McConnell.

Spoiler alert, you’re not gonna like the price that it would take to get all of these guys to join Jimmy lol

Luckily the FO is too smart to do the last deal and Dame wants to be here because of Bam because he realizes how perfect of a winning and impact player he is to play with

The sober truth is that the possibility of getting Dame to Mia without trading Bam is beyond a long shot.

5 guys pod had a so called plugged in guy on their recent show and he confirmed the notion

Then he’s not coming because the eliminates the main reason he would come in the first place.

People just act like we can’t come up with 5+ 1sts to send out for Dame if he becomes available, no one is offering more than that and Miami is already his preferred destination. Sean Highkin isn’t taking any of that into account, everything they’re basing their talks on are current assets.

[wade44]

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From what Lief is reporting and how Windy is reporter the value that Wiz will get in return for Beal may be something like this.

Which would position themselves to make a second trade for another big name. Possibly OG, Collins or Siakum or someone else. player

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Two 1st rounders and Martin? Martin alone may be worth two late 1st rounders

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Which rookie? The one that plays the same position as him or the one that **** his pants every game of the ncaa tourney? That’s not helping you win next season

[MettaWorldPanda]

From what Lief is reporting and how Windy is reporter the value that Wiz will get in return for Beal may be something like this.

Which would position themselves to make a second trade for another big name. Possibly OG, Collins or Siakum or someone else. player

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Doubtful. Continuing to disregard the tax and the second apron compounding long term salary onto the cap. The biggest gift Beal is going to do for us is get the Wiz to take on Duncan’s contract with Herro. Bobby Marks is spot on with his deal. I see a high probability of Lowry coming back for one more run with fellow Bartlestein client Beal and allowing his 30 mil to expire next year to offset the signings this year that press us against the 19.5 mil second apron. With him expiring next year it gets us to about full no tax payer MLE money to stay under the tax next year to avoid repeater in the following year.

The more I look at this Cap situation, the more im inclined to agree, Lowry is staying to help offset our salary next year when he comes off the books.

It absolutely makes the most sense. Team can gain flexibility by stretching or getting off of Oladipo leaving about a 19 million dollar window to use the tax payer MLE (hard caps us to second apron) and try to sign our own. The more i research it’s doubtful we operate this year as a non tax payer so the 6.8 is what we will have to try and coax a free agent depth piece to come.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[twix2500]

From what Lief is reporting and how Windy is reporter the value that Wiz will get in return for Beal may be something like this.

Which would position themselves to make a second trade for another big name. Possibly OG, Collins or Siakum or someone else. player

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Doubtful. Continuing to disregard the tax and the second apron compounding long term salary onto the cap. The biggest gift Beal is going to do for us is get the Wiz to take on Duncan’s contract with Herro. Bobby Marks is spot on with his deal. I see a high probability of Lowry coming back for one more run with fellow Bartlestein client Beal and allowing his 30 mil to expire next year to offset the signings this year that press us against the 19.5 mil second apron. With him expiring next year it gets us to about full no tax payer MLE money to stay under the tax next year to avoid repeater in the following year.

This does not mean Duncan doesn't get moved, buts could be in another deal not part of the Wizards trade this summer or down the line.

Making this move now make Herro and Duncan trade pawns to mold this them and salary to their liking. That will be their free agency, using 45 mill of Herro and Duncan to bring in role players and contracts that they are comfortable with.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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Barry coming up with pipe dream scenarios to pacify the crazies

[MettaWorldPanda]

From what Lief is reporting and how Windy is reporter the value that Wiz will get in return for Beal may be something like this.

Which would position themselves to make a second trade for another big name. Possibly OG, Collins or Siakum or someone else. player

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Doubtful. Continuing to disregard the tax and the second apron compounding long term salary onto the cap. The biggest gift Beal is going to do for us is get the Wiz to take on Duncan’s contract with Herro. Bobby Marks is spot on with his deal. I see a high probability of Lowry coming back for one more run with fellow Bartlestein client Beal and allowing his 30 mil to expire next year to offset the signings this year that press us against the 19.5 mil second apron. With him expiring next year it gets us to about full no tax payer MLE money to stay under the tax next year to avoid repeater in the following year.

This does not mean Duncan doesn't get moved, buts could be in another deal not part of the Wizards trade.

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The cleanest path is Wiz have to eat it.

[IceColdCubano]

Luckily the FO is too smart to do the last deal and Dame wants to be here because of Bam because he realizes how perfect of a winning and impact player he is to play with

The sober truth is that the possibility of getting Dame to Mia without trading Bam is beyond a long shot.

5 guys pod had a so called plugged in guy on their recent show and he confirmed the notion

Then he’s not coming because the eliminates the main reason he would come in the first place.

People just act like we can’t come up with 5+ 1sts to send out for Dame if he becomes available, no one is offering more than that and Miami is already his preferred destination. Sean Highkin isn’t taking any of that into account, everything they’re basing their talks on are current assets.

They presented this same scenerio in this mornings 5 reasons, they brought in the guy who follows the Portland trailblazers, and he said Blazers are looking for a blue coller win now piece and picks, but unless its Bam they do not view 5 FRPs from Miami as anything more than late first round picks, does not move the needle. He also said Lillard isnt like other primadonas hell still show up and be a comsumate proffesional if they decline him coming to Miami. They will work with him, but ultimately they will not sell him off for pennies on the dollar.


They talked about how the same scenrio happened in Utah, were Donovan prefered destintion was Miami, but they wanted Bam, so no deal and was moved to Clevelend for a package that served Utah better.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

In any trade for Dame, Herro is going to a 3rd team like the Spurs for 2 1sts. We can also swap our pick the thunder has to open another 1st. There’s 6 right there not even digging into anything else, that’s more than enough for Dame should he become available.

We have many avenues to come up with more assets, this isn’t last offseason where we’re just screwed on making any deals happen because Herros contract situation, lowry and Dipo not being expiring, and Duncan’s value being much worse.

[AirP.]

Scoring points in the regular season isn't the same as scoring points in the playoffs, your team and the team you're playing against gets much more time to study certain teams and player's game and habits and practices to slow you up. Pressure also comes into play which really doesn't effect Herro all that much so you would think his playoff numbers wouldn't dip much but they do. It really hurts Miami's ability to forecast Herro's protectory with him missing all but 1/2 a game in these playoffs but it does keep his potential somewhat intact. Also factor in that age 23 was really Herro's first year of starting, Beal had been a starter in the regular season and playoffs the whole time.

Let's look at Beal and Herro regular season up to age 23. Not too different.

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+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Player      |age|g |ts%  |fga |pts |3pt% |ast|reb|to |ortg|drtg|Net Rating|
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Bradley Beal|19 |56|0.515|12.3|13.9|0.386|2.4|3.8|1.6|102 |105 |-3        |
|Bradley Beal|20 |73|0.507|15.7|17.1|0.402|3.3|3.7|1.8|103 |107 |-4        |
|Tyler Herro |20 |55|0.55 |11.5|13.5|0.389|2.2|4.1|1.6|103 |112 |-9        |
|Bradley Beal|21 |63|0.521|13.5|15.3|0.409|3.1|3.8|2  |102 |105 |-3        |
|Tyler Herro |21 |54|0.543|12.9|15.1|0.36 |3.4|5  |1.9|104 |113 |-9        |
|Bradley Beal|22 |55|0.547|14.5|17.4|0.387|2.9|3.4|2  |103 |108 |-5        |
|Tyler Herro |22 |66|0.561|17  |20.7|0.399|4  |5  |2.6|107 |111 |-4        |
|Bradley Beal|23 |77|0.604|17.2|23.1|0.404|3.5|3.1|2  |117 |112 |5         |
|Tyler Herro |23 |67|0.566|16.6|20.1|0.378|4.2|5.4|2.4|109 |115 |-6        |
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+


Now... lets see what they were doing in the playoffs up to age 23. It's a much different story.

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+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Player      |age|g |ts%  |fga |pts |3pt% |ast|reb|to |ortg|drtg|Net Rating|
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Bradley Beal|20 |11|0.531|16.1|19.2|0.415|4.5|5  |2.1|110 |102 |8         |
|Tyler Herro |20 |21|0.557|13.2|16  |0.375|3.7|5.1|2  |106 |114 |-8        |
|Bradley Beal|21 |10|0.518|20  |23.4|0.365|4.6|5.5|2.6|107 |103 |4         |
|Tyler Herro |21 |4 |0.45 |9.5 |9.3 |0.316|1.8|3.3|0.8|92  |119 |-27       |
|Tyler Herro |22 |15|0.49 |12.1|12.6|0.229|2.8|3.9|1.8|97  |108 |-11       |
|Bradley Beal|23 |13|0.565|19.9|24.8|0.287|2.7|3.4|2.1|113 |113 |0         |
|Tyler Herro |23 |1 |0.667|9   |12  |0.5  |2  |2  |1  |120 |115 |5         |
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+


[3ammy3uck3ts]

Scoring points in the regular season isn't the same as scoring points in the playoffs, your team and the team you're playing against gets much more time to study certain teams and player's game and habits and practices to slow you up. Pressure also comes into play which really doesn't effect Herro all that much so you would think his playoff numbers wouldn't dip much but they do. It really hurts Miami's ability to forecast Herro's protectory with him missing all but 1/2 a game in these playoffs but it does keep his potential somewhat intact.

Let's look at Beal and Herro regular season up to age 23. Not too different.

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+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Player      |age|g |ts%  |fga |pts |3pt% |ast|reb|to |ortg|drtg|Net Rating|
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Bradley Beal|19 |56|0.515|12.3|13.9|0.386|2.4|3.8|1.6|102 |105 |-3        |
|Bradley Beal|20 |73|0.507|15.7|17.1|0.402|3.3|3.7|1.8|103 |107 |-4        |
|Tyler Herro |20 |55|0.55 |11.5|13.5|0.389|2.2|4.1|1.6|103 |112 |-9        |
|Bradley Beal|21 |63|0.521|13.5|15.3|0.409|3.1|3.8|2  |102 |105 |-3        |
|Tyler Herro |21 |54|0.543|12.9|15.1|0.36 |3.4|5  |1.9|104 |113 |-9        |
|Bradley Beal|22 |55|0.547|14.5|17.4|0.387|2.9|3.4|2  |103 |108 |-5        |
|Tyler Herro |22 |66|0.561|17  |20.7|0.399|4  |5  |2.6|107 |111 |-4        |
|Bradley Beal|23 |77|0.604|17.2|23.1|0.404|3.5|3.1|2  |117 |112 |5         |
|Tyler Herro |23 |67|0.566|16.6|20.1|0.378|4.2|5.4|2.4|109 |115 |-6        |
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+


Now... lets see what they were doing in the playoffs up to age 23. It's a much different story.

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+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Player      |age|g |ts%  |fga |pts |3pt% |ast|reb|to |ortg|drtg|Net Rating|
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Bradley Beal|20 |11|0.531|16.1|19.2|0.415|4.5|5  |2.1|110 |102 |8         |
|Tyler Herro |20 |21|0.557|13.2|16  |0.375|3.7|5.1|2  |106 |114 |-8        |
|Bradley Beal|21 |10|0.518|20  |23.4|0.365|4.6|5.5|2.6|107 |103 |4         |
|Tyler Herro |21 |4 |0.45 |9.5 |9.3 |0.316|1.8|3.3|0.8|92  |119 |-27       |
|Tyler Herro |22 |15|0.49 |12.1|12.6|0.229|2.8|3.9|1.8|97  |108 |-11       |
|Bradley Beal|23 |13|0.565|19.9|24.8|0.287|2.7|3.4|2.1|113 |113 |0         |
|Tyler Herro |23 |1 |0.667|9   |12  |0.5  |2  |2  |1  |120 |115 |5         |
+------------+---+--+-----+----+----+-----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+


I mean Beal is just far and away the better player and scorer, it’s not debatable.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[IceColdCubano]

In any trade for Dame, Herro is going to a 3rd team like the Spurs for 2 1sts. We can also swap our pick the thunder has to open another 1st. There’s 6 right there not even digging into anything else, that’s more than enough for Dame should he become available.

We have many avenues to come up with more assets, this isn’t last offseason where we’re just screwed on making any deals happen because Herros contract situation, lowry and Dipo not being expiring, and Duncan’s value being much worse.

I think were all in agreement if theres anybody that can figure this out its our executives, but just take a step back and realize how many other teams and things need to fall in line to accept our offers to get them all to line up and make this happen like your showing above vs another team that has the draft capital and a guy they like and can turn this deal around on draft night beacuse Portland isnt dealing with a bunch of what ifs waiting for 3 shoes to drop to make one deal between multiple teams.

[CrossOver]

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It certainly has felt more like a matter of when and for what based on all the reports the last few days.