The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Slim Charless]

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So we duck under the 2nd apron by declining either Micic or Martin? If I'm looking at that correctly.

[BobbieL]

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So we duck under the 2nd apron by declining either Micic or Martin? If I'm looking at that correctly.

I think you have to include cap holds up to 13 players -- so if yuou release those two - have to add in minimum values
So if my math is correct that you add 5 players at 1.9m = 9.5 as right now its 13 but removing those two bring it to 11 but you have three RFAs and need two more bodies
214.9 + 9.5 = 224.4
subtract martin -- 8.7
215.7

subtact micc - 8.1

207.6 -- just under the apron
$200k to spare


Next up is getting Beal to agree to a 24.2 buyout - or $12.1 per year to get under the next apron level
unless you can make a couple trades with KD Allen &/or O'Neale to find that other $12.1m

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

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Thats pretty steep to expect Beal to take a pay cut of $34m - $17m per year

Hell, I thought $12m per year- or $24m was asking a lot

short term gain, longer term pain

Hang tough Bradley - hang tough!

[Mr Puddles]

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Thats pretty steep to expect Beal to take a pay cut of $34m - $17m per year

Hell, I thought $12m per year- or $24m was asking a lot

short term gain, longer term pain

Hang tough Bradley - hang tough!

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

[BobbieL]

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Thats pretty steep to expect Beal to take a pay cut of $34m - $17m per year

Hell, I thought $12m per year- or $24m was asking a lot

short term gain, longer term pain

Hang tough Bradley - hang tough!

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

I 100% agree. He becomes an expiring in a year and if in the summer of 2026 nothing happens - buy him out and he can go find a team

As to me - the value of what he brings in terms of options for players is more valuable as an expiring in 2027 than maybe being able to use the MLE this summer. Plus the Suns probably are not that good - -so thats one year down. If you stretch for five - you have that cost on your books for a longer period of time when you might need it.

[lilfishi22]

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Thats pretty steep to expect Beal to take a pay cut of $34m - $17m per year

Hell, I thought $12m per year- or $24m was asking a lot

short term gain, longer term pain

Hang tough Bradley - hang tough!

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

[lilfishi22]

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Option 1 is way more palatable than Option 2.

[Slim Charless]

Thats pretty steep to expect Beal to take a pay cut of $34m - $17m per year

Hell, I thought $12m per year- or $24m was asking a lot

short term gain, longer term pain

Hang tough Bradley - hang tough!

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

I'd rather try that then give away 2 FRPs to move Beal. I also am very doubtful that he takes a 20 million dollars pay cut.

Only option that makes sense to me-besides keeping him is another bad deal. Paul George is the only worst deal that I saw.

Up to them ro decide if they wanna do that. Guarantee that Philly would say yes though.

[BobbieL]

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

I'd rather try that then give away 2 FRPs to move Beal. I also am very doubtful that he takes a 20 million dollars pay cut.

Only option that makes sense to me-besides keeping him is another bad deal. Paul George is the only worst deal that I saw.

Up to them ro decide if they wanna do that. Guarantee that Philly would say yes though.

I think without Durant -- just make Beal your Vinnie Johnson or Sweet Lou. When they are on and scoring, give them the ball. If not, don't.

[SunsRback4Good]

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

I'd rather try that then give away 2 FRPs to move Beal. I also am very doubtful that he takes a 20 million dollars pay cut.

Only option that makes sense to me-besides keeping him is another bad deal. Paul George is the only worst deal that I saw.

Up to them ro decide if they wanna do that. Guarantee that Philly would say yes though.

I think without Durant -- just make Beal your Vinnie Johnson or Sweet Lou. When they are on and scoring, give them the ball. If not, don't.

Can Bradley Beal be our Leandro Barbosa instead minus the sex scandal with Nash’s wife?

[lilfishi22]

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

I'd rather try that then give away 2 FRPs to move Beal. I also am very doubtful that he takes a 20 million dollars pay cut.

Only option that makes sense to me-besides keeping him is another bad deal. Paul George is the only worst deal that I saw.

Up to them ro decide if they wanna do that. Guarantee that Philly would say yes though.

I'm not advocating for that either. I'm not against just giving it a go but I just have low confidence it'll work after two successive coaches failed before. I'm not really a third time's a charm kinda person, I just think if it's failed twice with two pretty different approaches, it's probably time to pivot.

If it's 2 FRP and Beal for pure cap relief (ie short term salary for crap players), I'm not for that. If it's 2 crappy FRPs and Beal for playable guys who can add value to this team.....I might be open to that.

[Mr Puddles]

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

I'd rather try that then give away 2 FRPs to move Beal. I also am very doubtful that he takes a 20 million dollars pay cut.

Only option that makes sense to me-besides keeping him is another bad deal. Paul George is the only worst deal that I saw.

Up to them ro decide if they wanna do that. Guarantee that Philly would say yes though.

I'm not advocating for that either. I'm not against just giving it a go but I just have low confidence it'll work after two successive coaches failed before. I'm not really a third time's a charm kinda person, I just think if it's failed twice with two pretty different approaches, it's probably time to pivot.

If it's 2 FRP and Beal for pure cap relief (ie short term salary for crap players), I'm not for that. If it's 2 crappy FRPs and Beal for playable guys who can add value to this team.....I might be open to that.

Hence the use of the word "miraculously" in my OP.

The only way to dumb Beal is to either attach firsts to him, take on an equally bad contract, or to buy him out. Getting "playable guys" for him is a pipe dream.

To me, keeping Beal for two more years is preferable over the above options.

[Slim Charless]

I'd rather try that then give away 2 FRPs to move Beal. I also am very doubtful that he takes a 20 million dollars pay cut.

Only option that makes sense to me-besides keeping him is another bad deal. Paul George is the only worst deal that I saw.

Up to them ro decide if they wanna do that. Guarantee that Philly would say yes though.

I'm not advocating for that either. I'm not against just giving it a go but I just have low confidence it'll work after two successive coaches failed before. I'm not really a third time's a charm kinda person, I just think if it's failed twice with two pretty different approaches, it's probably time to pivot.

If it's 2 FRP and Beal for pure cap relief (ie short term salary for crap players), I'm not for that. If it's 2 crappy FRPs and Beal for playable guys who can add value to this team.....I might be open to that.

Hence the use of the word "miraculously" in my OP.

The only way to dumb Beal is to either attach firsts to him, take on an equally bad contract, or to buy him out. Getting "playable guys" for him is a pipe dream.

To me, keeping Beal for two more years is preferable over the above options.

I'm of the opinion that PG13s deal is bad enough that Philly might be willing to give us stuff to make that swap.

If that's the case, sign me up for that as I believe we can get a pick or 2 from them. Maybe even McCain.

[sunsbum]

Thats pretty steep to expect Beal to take a pay cut of $34m - $17m per year

Hell, I thought $12m per year- or $24m was asking a lot

short term gain, longer term pain

Hang tough Bradley - hang tough!

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

seriously. Just cut him and move on.

[lilfishi22]

I'm not advocating for that either. I'm not against just giving it a go but I just have low confidence it'll work after two successive coaches failed before. I'm not really a third time's a charm kinda person, I just think if it's failed twice with two pretty different approaches, it's probably time to pivot.

If it's 2 FRP and Beal for pure cap relief (ie short term salary for crap players), I'm not for that. If it's 2 crappy FRPs and Beal for playable guys who can add value to this team.....I might be open to that.

Hence the use of the word "miraculously" in my OP.

The only way to dumb Beal is to either attach firsts to him, take on an equally bad contract, or to buy him out. Getting "playable guys" for him is a pipe dream.

To me, keeping Beal for two more years is preferable over the above options.

I'm of the opinion that PG13s deal is bad enough that Philly might be willing to give us stuff to make that swap.

If that's the case, sign me up for that as I believe we can get a pick or 2 from them. Maybe even McCain.

I'd rather just keep Beal. Aside from the PG and Book thing, I don't really want a guy who is 3 years older, even less healthy and has an extra year at $57m on his contract which won't end until he's 38. At 33 at the start of the following season, Beal might have some value

[garrick]

I'd rather just keep Bradley for another year and see if a new coach can make it work.

If it doesn't, he becomes an expiring the year after. He becomes a more attractive trade chip as an expiring, or we can just let the contract run it's course.

If it somehow miraculously does work out, we can negotiate with him not to keep his player option but offer a contract extention without the NTC,making it easier to move Beal in the future if still needed.

Either, we don't handicap ourselves with dead salary for years.

That'll be the 3rd coach that'll try to make it work. Confidence is pretty low

I'd rather try that then give away 2 FRPs to move Beal. I also am very doubtful that he takes a 20 million dollars pay cut.

Only option that makes sense to me-besides keeping him is another bad deal. Paul George is the only worst deal that I saw.

Up to them ro decide if they wanna do that. Guarantee that Philly would say yes though.

Yeah we absolutely cannot give up any more picks not even 2nd rounders so I would prefer to eat the deal and endure two years of hell instead of prolonging it over a span of 5 years.

This roster needs a serious overhaul and adding a couple pieces around the current core is just not going to cut it, we have 3 failed seasons to see how that doesn't work with the big 3.

[Mr Puddles]

I'm not advocating for that either. I'm not against just giving it a go but I just have low confidence it'll work after two successive coaches failed before. I'm not really a third time's a charm kinda person, I just think if it's failed twice with two pretty different approaches, it's probably time to pivot.

If it's 2 FRP and Beal for pure cap relief (ie short term salary for crap players), I'm not for that. If it's 2 crappy FRPs and Beal for playable guys who can add value to this team.....I might be open to that.

Hence the use of the word "miraculously" in my OP.

The only way to dumb Beal is to either attach firsts to him, take on an equally bad contract, or to buy him out. Getting "playable guys" for him is a pipe dream.

To me, keeping Beal for two more years is preferable over the above options.

I'm of the opinion that PG13s deal is bad enough that Philly might be willing to give us stuff to make that swap.

If that's the case, sign me up for that as I believe we can get a pick or 2 from them. Maybe even McCain.

I'd rather have two years of Beal than 3 years of Paul.

The 76ers are not going to give McCain or anything of value in a swap for these two, they just signed Paul a season ago and attaching assets to him now in a trade for a similarly bad but shorter contract would be extremely reactionary.