"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

[No-Man]

Deyonta Davis reminds me a lot of Ed Davis, not a bad player to draft late-lotto to top20

[CelticFaninLBC]

Draftexpress just released a new mock. Not sure if they're going by team needs, but they got Brown @3, Korkmaz @16 and Diallo @23.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/#

[lon3lytoaster]

Draftexpress just released a new mock. Not sure if they're going by team needs, but they got Brown @3, Korkmaz @16 and Diallo @23.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/#

Jaylen Brown is a big no for me. Seems like he's a stereotypical Ainge pick in the mold of JR Giddens, Bill Walker, Tony Allen, Terry Rozier, ect. The great athlete with defensive potential and lacking offensive skills. Not someone I'd be happy with at 3.

[Curmudgeon]

Draftexpress just released a new mock. Not sure if they're going by team needs, but they got Brown @3, Korkmaz @16 and Diallo @23.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/#

Jaylen Brown is a big no for me. Seems like he's a stereotypical Ainge pick in the mold of JR Giddens, Bill Walker, Tony Allen, Terry Rozier, ect. The great athlete with defensive potential and lacking offensive skills. Not someone I'd be happy with at 3.

He is a prototypical Ainge pick. Justice Winslow 2.0

Too bad Buford and Popovich don't give lessons. Ainge could certainly use them.

[lon3lytoaster]

Draftexpress just released a new mock. Not sure if they're going by team needs, but they got Brown @3, Korkmaz @16 and Diallo @23.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/#

Jaylen Brown is a big no for me. Seems like he's a stereotypical Ainge pick in the mold of JR Giddens, Bill Walker, Tony Allen, Terry Rozier, ect. The great athlete with defensive potential and lacking offensive skills. Not someone I'd be happy with at 3.

He is a prototypical Ainge pick. Justice Winslow 2.0

Too bad Buford and Popovich don't give lessons. Ainge could certainly use them.

I don't think he has near the defensive IQ as a Justise Winslow, TA or Marcus Smart though. He just has the tools to be a good defender without a full understanding of how to use them. All the above mentioned guys just "get" defense.

[2Mas]

Touche. But maybe we ought to draft to start building the next dynasty, instead of selecting more complementary players to complement the complementary players we already have.

No I feel you..

I'm down with Bender too. Idk a lot about him, but I see the hype for sure. He's the #3 on my board though. If this goes as expected, i'll be happy with him.

I'd just take Ingram or Simmons over him. & If 1 of them drop i'll be hyped. But regardless if we walk away with Bender i'll be good.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't think he has near the defensive IQ as a Justise Winslow, TA or Marcus Smart though. He just has the tools to be a good defender without a full understanding of how to use them. All the above mentioned guys just "get" defense.

To get Ainge to fall in love, you don't need to "get defense." He drafted Olynyk, didn't he?

[Andrew McCeltic]

We could take Jaylen. He's the guy I thought of when Ainge said he had a responsibility to take the player who would be the best long-term, even if he were a few years away. You're gambling that he can strengthen his shot and add some offensive versatility. To be honest, he sounds based on this scouting report most like Corey Maggette.

DraftExpress:

As a slasher, Brown battled through bouts of inefficiency as well. Possessing a strong first step and impressive leaping ability off of one and two feet, Brown's fairly loose handle, lack of craftiness around the basket, and tendency to get tunnel vision and force shots into traffic led to his 45% shooting around the rim in the half court and top-100 leading per-40 minute pace adjusted turnover rate. While Cal's insistence on surrounding him with two to four non-shooters at all times didn't do him any favors, there's no doubt that his feel for the game is underdeveloped at this stage in his career, as evidenced by his poor -6.48 PPR, which is by far the worst passing metric among any non-big man in this draft.

As much as Brown struggled, he had plenty of positive moments offensively as well. He scored the ball well inside throughout the middle portion of the season and found some amount of consistency with his jump shot in the later part of Cal's Pac-12 regular season schedule. He's capable of scoring effectively around the rim, his jump shot isn't broken, and he gets to the line very prolifically, even if he is aggressive to a fault at times. He proved to be a willing passer, dishing out a respectable 2.9 assists per-40 minutes pace adjusted, and scored impressively on the break, showing the ability to fill lanes or push the ball himself. Surrounded by better talent in a more up-tempo offense, Brown will likely have an easier time utilizing his superior physical tools and nose for getting to the basket in the open floor and half-court.

Looking far more comfortable on the offensive end some nights than others, Brown clearly has untapped potential as a scorer. If he can clean up his mechanical issues as a shooter and ball-handler, he could look like an entirely different player on this end a few short years from now. Not turning 20 until October, a key element of Brown's appeal at the moment is what he could become on this end after some grooming at the NBA level.

[bucknersrevenge]

Touche. But maybe we ought to draft to start building the next dynasty, instead of selecting more complementary players to complement the complementary players we already have.

No I feel you..

I'm down with Bender too. Idk a lot about him, but I see the hype for sure. He's the #3 on my board though. If this goes as expected, i'll be happy with him.

I'd just take Ingram or Simmons over him. & If 1 of them drop i'll be hyped. But regardless if we walk away with Bender i'll be good.

I'd take Bender at 3 too I think. That said I'd rather move the pick.

[Leprechaun18]

I just hope they can have Poeltl workout with Bender, because he would destroy Bender.

[SmartWentCrazy]

To be a top player in this league, you generally need to be an athletic freak of nature. Brown is raw, but he's a very intelligent kid (seems like a Rondo with s better temperament from what I've read) and is coachable too. I'm confident Stevens could turn him into a hell of a player.

[Leprechaun18]

We could take Jaylen. He's the guy I thought of when Ainge said he had a responsibility to take the player who would be the best long-term, even if he were a few years away. You're gambling that he can strengthen his shot and add some offensive versatility. To be honest, he sounds based on this scouting report most like Corey Maggette.

DraftExpress:

As a slasher, Brown battled through bouts of inefficiency as well. Possessing a strong first step and impressive leaping ability off of one and two feet, Brown's fairly loose handle, lack of craftiness around the basket, and tendency to get tunnel vision and force shots into traffic led to his 45% shooting around the rim in the half court and top-100 leading per-40 minute pace adjusted turnover rate. While Cal's insistence on surrounding him with two to four non-shooters at all times didn't do him any favors, there's no doubt that his feel for the game is underdeveloped at this stage in his career, as evidenced by his poor -6.48 PPR, which is by far the worst passing metric among any non-big man in this draft.

As much as Brown struggled, he had plenty of positive moments offensively as well. He scored the ball well inside throughout the middle portion of the season and found some amount of consistency with his jump shot in the later part of Cal's Pac-12 regular season schedule. He's capable of scoring effectively around the rim, his jump shot isn't broken, and he gets to the line very prolifically, even if he is aggressive to a fault at times. He proved to be a willing passer, dishing out a respectable 2.9 assists per-40 minutes pace adjusted, and scored impressively on the break, showing the ability to fill lanes or push the ball himself. Surrounded by better talent in a more up-tempo offense, Brown will likely have an easier time utilizing his superior physical tools and nose for getting to the basket in the open floor and half-court.

Looking far more comfortable on the offensive end some nights than others, Brown clearly has untapped potential as a scorer. If he can clean up his mechanical issues as a shooter and ball-handler, he could look like an entirely different player on this end a few short years from now. Not turning 20 until October, a key element of Brown's appeal at the moment is what he could become on this end after some grooming at the NBA level.

I also think Jaylen is a player Danny Ainge likes. Heck I like his athletic ability also, but is he really better than RHJ was last year? Chad Ford thinks he could fall. If I was Danny I would package KO and the 16 pick to get Torontos 9 pick and get him at 9.

[return2glory]

I just hope they can have Poeltl workout with Bender, because he would destroy Bender.

Sabonis destroyed Poeltl in the tournament.

Poeltl might destroy Bender in the post right now, but not in 2 years. Bender has more upside than Poeltl. Who ever takes Bender, they will be taking him for who he can become in two years and later.

[brackdan70]

I am OK with Bender, Brown, Murray, Hield or I guess Dunn too. Trading would be good too.

[tlee324]

Draftexpress just released a new mock. Not sure if they're going by team needs, but they got Brown @3, Korkmaz @16 and Diallo @23.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/#

I've been saying over the past couple of weeks that I expected Brown to move up more after some workouts. He's an interesting prospect; that's undeniable. I am not sure Ainge will take him though, as he MIGHT be redundant. If they see more in him than just an athletic defensive wing, and someone that they can rely on consistently for offense, they could take him, and he could shake up the roster.

[Leprechaun18]

I just hope they can have Poeltl workout with Bender, because he would destroy Bender.

Sabonis destroyed Poeltl in the tournament.

Poeltl might destroy Bender in the post right now, but not in 2 years. Bender has more upside than Poeltl. Who ever takes Bender, they will be taking him for who he can become in two years and later.

Did you watch the game? Gonzaga double teamed and played team defense to deny Poeltl the Ball. Poeltl also had a tweaked ankle. Poeltl got into foul trouble in the first half and after he went out Gonzaga broke out. What is so great about Bender? Fab Melo had more tuffness and vertical explosion. Bender idol is Toni Kukoc. He is basically an outside shooter at the moment.

Edit I dont want be to negative towards Bender. He does have very good mobility for being 7'1". He seems like a good kid also. He is only 18 and his toughness should improve. I just feel that Poeltl is being slept on.

[FlatearthZorro]

Draftexpress just released a new mock. Not sure if they're going by team needs, but they got Brown @3, Korkmaz @16 and Diallo @23.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/#

I've been saying over the past couple of weeks that I expected Brown to move up more after some workouts. He's an interesting prospect; that's undeniable. I am not sure Ainge will take him though, as he MIGHT be redundant. If they see more in him than just an athletic defensive wing, and someone that they can rely on consistently for offense, they could take him, and he could shake up the roster.

We do need help at SF, but it wouldn't be bad if the guy we draft can shoot 3s lol... Anyways, I really think we lack bigs... Danny should focus on bigs..

[return2glory]

I just hope they can have Poeltl workout with Bender, because he would destroy Bender.

Sabonis destroyed Poeltl in the tournament.

Poeltl might destroy Bender in the post right now, but not in 2 years. Bender has more upside than Poeltl. Who ever takes Bender, they will be taking him for who he can become in two years and later.

Did you watch the game? Gonzaga double teamed and played team defense to deny Poeltl the Ball. Poeltl also had a tweaked ankle. Poeltl got into foul trouble in the first half and after he went out Gonzaga broke out. What is so great about Bender? Fab Melo had more tuffness and vertical explosion. Bender idol is Toni Kukoc. He is basically an outside shooter at the moment.

Edit I dont want be to negative towards Bender. He does have very good mobility for being 7'1". He seems like a good kid also. He is only 18 and his toughness should improve. I just feel that Poeltl is being slept on.

Yes I watched the game. Injuries, double teams, foul trouble, Etc, Poeltl was a non factor.

I saw Poeltl a about 5 times and he was decent at best in a weak conference. He is like KO and Zeller when it comes to rebounding. The ball has to fall in his hands for him to rebound. He doesn't go after the ball.

Poeltl is projected to go from 7-14 and that's more than a good spot for him. He can play but he has no fight in him. He is currently working out in Thousand Oaks, CA in Don MacLean's camp. Reports are he has shown improvement.

Bender is a twig right now so Poeltl will have his way with him. But in 2 years when Bender is 7'2 and about 20-30 pounds heavier and much stronger than he is now, Poeltl won't have it as easy with Bender.

[return2glory]

J. Brown disappeared in the tournament. During games, he would have 5 minute stretches where you didn't know he was in the game. Jeff Green anyone.

Brown wasn't even the best freshmen on his team over the last month of the season. That honor belonged to Ivan Rabb.

We can get our SF at 16 with T. Prince.

[Leprechaun18]

Sabonis destroyed Poeltl in the tournament.

Poeltl might destroy Bender in the post right now, but not in 2 years. Bender has more upside than Poeltl. Who ever takes Bender, they will be taking him for who he can become in two years and later.

Did you watch the game? Gonzaga double teamed and played team defense to deny Poeltl the Ball. Poeltl also had a tweaked ankle. Poeltl got into foul trouble in the first half and after he went out Gonzaga broke out. What is so great about Bender? Fab Melo had more tuffness and vertical explosion. Bender idol is Toni Kukoc. He is basically an outside shooter at the moment.

Edit I dont want be to negative towards Bender. He does have very good mobility for being 7'1". He seems like a good kid also. He is only 18 and his toughness should improve. I just feel that Poeltl is being slept on.

Yes I watched the game. Injuries, double teams, foul trouble, Etc, Poeltl was a non factor.

I saw Poeltl a about 5 times and he was decent at best in a weak conference. He is like KO and Zeller when it comes to rebounding. The ball has to fall in his hands for him to rebound. He doesn't go after the ball.

Poeltl is projected to go from 7-14 and that's more than a good spot for him. He can play but he has no fight in him. He is currently working out in Thousand Oaks, CA in Don MacLean's camp. Reports are he has shown improvement.

Bender is a twig right now so Poeltl will have his way with him. But in 2 years when Bender is 7'2 and about 20-30 pounds heavier and much stronger than he is now, Poeltl won't have it as easy with Bender.

Poeltl was the go to guy on his team. The Pac 12 isnt a weak conference. He played well against Duke two seasons in a row. He is a very good rebounder. He shut down Okafor in last years sweet sixteen. Don Mclean does a very good job preparing prospects for the NBA. Last season Mclean help KAT transform his body which help him have a dominate rookie season.

Bender has shown nothing. He wants to be a small forward like Kukoc. What if Bender puts on 25 pounds and his max vertical gets even worse? Its very dangerous to pick based only on supposed potential. You pick based on potential later in the draft. If you pick 3 and the player busts the GM could get fired.