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jakecronus8 wrote:GoT

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I loved the battle and it's probably a top 5 GOT episode for me. A few quick and simple fixes could have saved a lot of the nit picks people had with it overall.

First, the Dothraki scene was horrifying and reminded me of Jaws. The unseen menace can be 100 percent more terrifying. From a tactical standpoint it absolutely made more sense to have the dothraki charge on their horses. For those that disagree, all they had to add was a simple shot of the Dothraki general getting too fired up, ordering his men to charge and Jorah pleading with them to hold their ground only to end up following them. I even think this may have been implied by Dany's reaction, but apparently you have to spell these things out in black and white for the general viewing audience.

Ron Swanson wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:GoT

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I loved the battle and it's probably a top 5 GOT episode for me. A few quick and simple fixes could have saved a lot of the nit picks people had with it overall.

First, the Dothraki scene was horrifying and reminded me of Jaws. The unseen menace can be 100 percent more terrifying. From a tactical standpoint it absolutely made more sense to have the dothraki charge on their horses. For those that disagree, all they had to add was a simple shot of the Dothraki general getting too fired up, ordering his men to charge and Jorah pleading with them to hold their ground only to end up following them. I even think this may have been implied by Dany's reaction, but apparently you have to spell these things out in black and white for the general viewing audience.

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This. It's a chaotic battle scene. Sometimes movies/TV are shot in a way meant to imply something rather than spell it out through cumbersome dialogue that ruins the pace of the scene. It's why I find most of the critiques of the battle itself to be nit-picky. We know from previous seasons that the Dothraki are aggressive, ruthless marauders. "Strategy" and level-headedness are not what they're about. Besides, the idea of cavalry in warfare is to have a mobility advantage over infantry. This idea that "they should have waited till they got closer" is kinda weird.

th87 wrote:

truly wrote:

th87 wrote:

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Gotta love the NK conveniently wearing a crop top to bring it all together.

Also did anyone mention how ridiculous their tactical plan was?

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Didn't someone say that "we can't charge them" in the previous episode when they were planning the battle?

The problem is definitely the showrunners.They conceive a scene that will look awesome on screen and just proceed to use it without bothering if it makes sense or not.The dothraki deaths with the flames going out was awesome but it made no sense for them to just charge like that.

They could easily explain it if they wanted,for example,just have the undead army attack a little earlier catching the defenders off guard before they are ready,so the dothraki have to charge to buy time for the unsullied to deploy.It took me 2 minutes to think of this.

Another example of a scene that makes no sense but was cool so we used it was the NK being immune to dragon fire but dying to a valyrian blade.I thought the reason valyrian steel was special was because they were made using dragon fire?


As for Arya i have no problem with her killing him but in this very episode she was struggling to hide from a few undead but she was able to magically bypass hundreds of them + all the whitewalkers.This is just lazy.

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Agree with everything. If seasons 1-4/5 didn't exist, this show would be considered visually beautiful potboiler garbage. Outside of "totally sweet" special effects, no one would remember it.

Nothing makes any sense. Last season was the pinnacle there - that Tyrion, the smartest person in Westeros, hatches an absurd plan to convince inherently untrustworthy Cersei to join their cause at great personal cost. All the showrunners knew was that they HAD TO have an ice dragon, and would torture the plot, characters, and consistency to wedge that into existence.

I love how they just handwaved that away just by calling Tyrion stupid. Problem solved. And then he's relegated to the crypts to blow kisses at Sansa, because he's considered useless, despite being the architect of the Blackwater defense.

I guarantee that they write based on what would "look awesome." Then they try to bridge impossible gaps and forget aspects of their own show to tie it together.

And the dialogue is just full of stupid one-liners, like "oooh got em". No human talks like that.

RRyder823 wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:GoT

Spoiler:

I loved the battle and it's probably a top 5 GOT episode for me. A few quick and simple fixes could have saved a lot of the nit picks people had with it overall.

First, the Dothraki scene was horrifying and reminded me of Jaws. The unseen menace can be 100 percent more terrifying. From a tactical standpoint it absolutely made more sense to have the dothraki charge on their horses. For those that disagree, all they had to add was a simple shot of the Dothraki general getting too fired up, ordering his men to charge and Jorah pleading with them to hold their ground only to end up following them. I even think this may have been implied by Dany's reaction, but apparently you have to spell these things out in black and white for the general viewing audience.

Spoiler:

This. It's a chaotic battle scene. Sometimes movies/TV are shot in a way meant to imply something rather than spell it out through cumbersome dialogue that ruins the pace of the scene. It's why I find most of the critiques of the battle itself to be nit-picky. We know from previous seasons that the Dothraki are aggressive, ruthless marauders. "Strategy" and level-headedness are not what they're about. Besides, the idea of cavalry in warfare is to have a mobility advantage over infantry. This idea that "they should have waited till they got closer" is kinda weird.

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How bout the fact that the plan for the Dothraki to charge was in place BEFORE they had weapons that could actually do damage?

Until Mellisandra deus ex machinad onto the scene they were about to charge with their normal swords. The original plan was to have the Dothraki fight with swords that would do nothing

If that was the only example of lazy incompetent writing we wouldn't be having this conversation.... It's not though

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jakecronus8 wrote:GOT Arya and Bran

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I can't help but wonder if they're going to meet some dark fate. They both were touched by the Night King though only on Bran did it leave any kind of mark. Do you think the last big twist in the show might have something to do with these two somehow being linked and/or the next in line to be the Night King/Queen?

humanrefutation wrote:Finally saw Endgame tonight. Those 3 hours flew by. What an excellent movie experience.

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The scene when all of the other Avengers and their armies showed up to fight Thanos was complete **** goosebumps. I pumped my fist when the Black Panther appeared with Shuri and Okoye. Then Captain Marvel showed up and I had to stop myself from yelling out "**** yeah!"

There were so many great moments of fan service. My favorite was Cap being able to lift Thors Hammer, which was hinted at during Ultron.

The Iron Man and Black Widow deaths were both spoiled for me, as I suspected. Definitely undercut the suspense around their deaths. But didnt completely ruin the movie. I got a little weepy when Peter Parker was talking to Tony Stark as he was dying. No shame in my game!

Humorously, my friend and I were cracking up on the way back joking about "why didnt they go back in time to right before Thanos snapped his fingers and had Thor just aim for the **** head? Or call Carol Danvers a little earlier and have her show up to the garden and take out Thanos before he destroyed the stones? Would have saved everyone a big headache."

RRyder823 wrote:

humanrefutation wrote:Finally saw Endgame tonight. Those 3 hours flew by. What an excellent movie experience.

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The scene when all of the other Avengers and their armies showed up to fight Thanos was complete **** goosebumps. I pumped my fist when the Black Panther appeared with Shuri and Okoye. Then Captain Marvel showed up and I had to stop myself from yelling out "**** yeah!"

There were so many great moments of fan service. My favorite was Cap being able to lift Thors Hammer, which was hinted at during Ultron.

The Iron Man and Black Widow deaths were both spoiled for me, as I suspected. Definitely undercut the suspense around their deaths. But didnt completely ruin the movie. I got a little weepy when Peter Parker was talking to Tony Stark as he was dying. No shame in my game!

Humorously, my friend and I were cracking up on the way back joking about "why didnt they go back in time to right before Thanos snapped his fingers and had Thor just aim for the **** head? Or call Carol Danvers a little earlier and have her show up to the garden and take out Thanos before he destroyed the stones? Would have saved everyone a big headache."

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They covered that in the movie. Doing those things like that would create a different timeline. Not fix their own

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jakecronus8 wrote:GOT Arya and Bran

Spoiler:

I can't help but wonder if they're going to meet some dark fate. They both were touched by the Night King though only on Bran did it leave any kind of mark. Do you think the last big twist in the show might have something to do with these two somehow being linked and/or the next in line to be the Night King/Queen?

midranger wrote:

RRyder823 wrote:

humanrefutation wrote:Finally saw Endgame tonight. Those 3 hours flew by. What an excellent movie experience.

Spoiler:

The scene when all of the other Avengers and their armies showed up to fight Thanos was complete **** goosebumps. I pumped my fist when the Black Panther appeared with Shuri and Okoye. Then Captain Marvel showed up and I had to stop myself from yelling out "**** yeah!"

There were so many great moments of fan service. My favorite was Cap being able to lift Thors Hammer, which was hinted at during Ultron.

The Iron Man and Black Widow deaths were both spoiled for me, as I suspected. Definitely undercut the suspense around their deaths. But didnt completely ruin the movie. I got a little weepy when Peter Parker was talking to Tony Stark as he was dying. No shame in my game!

Humorously, my friend and I were cracking up on the way back joking about "why didnt they go back in time to right before Thanos snapped his fingers and had Thor just aim for the **** head? Or call Carol Danvers a little earlier and have her show up to the garden and take out Thanos before he destroyed the stones? Would have saved everyone a big headache."

Spoiler:

They covered that in the movie. Doing those things like that would create a different timeline. Not fix their own

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Yeah. But they just needed to bring the stones back to their time line. Thanos had all the stones. Sending Thor back to the “go for the head” moment, he could have hid in the bushes and just lopped Thanos arm off before he snapped with the axe in his chest. Grab the stones, bring them back. All time lines restored.

humanrefutation wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:GOT Arya and Bran

Spoiler:

I can't help but wonder if they're going to meet some dark fate. They both were touched by the Night King though only on Bran did it leave any kind of mark. Do you think the last big twist in the show might have something to do with these two somehow being linked and/or the next in line to be the Night King/Queen?

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I don't think Bran will become the next NK. If he was truly next in line, I don't think the NK tries to kill him - or, alternatively - I don't think Brynden Rivers would have let him become the next 3ER. I don't think the 3ER can be the NK.

Arya? Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if there are consequences to her being touched by the NK.

Either way, my prediction is the final scene of the series will be the revelation that a new NK has been reborn somewhere North of the Wall - perhaps, the babies that he was getting from Craster will grow up if they didn't immediately explode upon his death.

Bucksfan28 wrote:

humanrefutation wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:GOT Arya and Bran

Spoiler:

I can't help but wonder if they're going to meet some dark fate. They both were touched by the Night King though only on Bran did it leave any kind of mark. Do you think the last big twist in the show might have something to do with these two somehow being linked and/or the next in line to be the Night King/Queen?

Spoiler:

I don't think Bran will become the next NK. If he was truly next in line, I don't think the NK tries to kill him - or, alternatively - I don't think Brynden Rivers would have let him become the next 3ER. I don't think the 3ER can be the NK.

Arya? Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if there are consequences to her being touched by the NK.

Either way, my prediction is the final scene of the series will be the revelation that a new NK has been reborn somewhere North of the Wall - perhaps, the babies that he was getting from Craster will grow up if they didn't immediately explode upon his death.

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Man, that'd be lame as ****. "Hey we didn't know how to tell this story and just kinda abruptly ended it, but we also don't wanna commit to that ending so here's a forced rebirth."

And with that said, I could totally see it happening.

WeekapaugGroove wrote:GOT Arya

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It's crazy to me that some think she wasn't set up to be the one to take out the NK. If there was a betting line on who would kill the NK going into the season I would have put her squarely in the top 3 with Jon and Bran. Her ENTIRE story ark was being trained to fight and be an assassin. And some of that had basically nothing to do with the rest of the story so had she not assassinated anyone more important than Waller Frey then it would have seemed like a waste.

humanrefutation wrote:

Bucksfan28 wrote:

humanrefutation wrote:

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I don't think Bran will become the next NK. If he was truly next in line, I don't think the NK tries to kill him - or, alternatively - I don't think Brynden Rivers would have let him become the next 3ER. I don't think the 3ER can be the NK.

Arya? Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if there are consequences to her being touched by the NK.

Either way, my prediction is the final scene of the series will be the revelation that a new NK has been reborn somewhere North of the Wall - perhaps, the babies that he was getting from Craster will grow up if they didn't immediately explode upon his death.

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Man, that'd be lame as ****. "Hey we didn't know how to tell this story and just kinda abruptly ended it, but we also don't wanna commit to that ending so here's a forced rebirth."

And with that said, I could totally see it happening.

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Isn't that to be expected, though? My understanding is that the WW have been defeated before - which is why they knew from history that dragonglass could beat them and why the Wall was originally raised to begin with. Doesn't that mean that they'll come back one way or another again?