MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[LikeABosh]

This is exactly what I was talking about.

i wouldn't underestimate Zion

You understand Zion will have to average numbers like Giannis' to be even put in the same sentence with Luka right?

He understands fine. He just likes to annoy

[clyde21]

This is exactly what I was talking about.

i wouldn't underestimate Zion

You understand Zion will have to average numbers like Giannis' to be even put in the same sentence with Luka right?

oh i'm completely aware, that's why he's the best prospect since LeBron.

[Dupp]

If you forget KD,AD,Luka and Giannis sure he’s the best prospect since lebron.

[clyde21]

If you forget KD,AD,Luka and Giannis sure he’s the best prospect since lebron.

Giannis was not a can't miss prospect, that's purely hindsight on ur part

Davis and KD were up there but Zion is a better prospect, and Luka was not as unanimous as Zion was.

[INKtastic]

LeBron, Giannis, Luka are my leaders, I'm unsure of the order so haven't voted yet. LeBron was my clear choice the first time the poll was open.

[Nikson]

This will all be decided after All star game.

[Dupp]

If you forget KD,AD,Luka and Giannis sure he’s the best prospect since lebron.

Giannis was not a can't miss prospect, that's purely hindsight on ur part

Davis and KD were up there but Zion is a better prospect, and Luka was not as unanimous as Zion was.

Why does unanimous and can’t miss matter? Still great prospects. Also Giannis was absolutely a cant miss prospect nba teams just didn’t realise.

[LikeABosh]

Also Giannis was absolutely a cant miss prospect nba teams just didn’t realise.

I think you have a different understanding of what a "can't miss" prospect is. Giannis was selected as a project and it was hard to know how good he would be. "Can't miss" is used interchangeably as a "sure thing" and that's definitely not what Giannis was. There were a lot of question marks about him during that draft

[Dupp]

Also Giannis was absolutely a cant miss prospect nba teams just didn’t realise.

I think you have a different understanding of what a "can't miss" prospect is. Giannis was selected as a project and it was hard to know how good he would be. "Can't miss" is used interchangeably as a "sure thing" and that's definitely not what Giannis was. There were a lot of question marks about him during that draft

That’s just not knowing though. Giannis was always gonna be a star and one of the biggest athletic freaks ever. Just because he wasn’t seen as a can’t miss prospect doesn’t mean he wasn’t one.

I’m not sure there’s many or any scenarios where he doesn’t develop to at least an all star.

[Archx]

If you forget KD,AD,Luka and Giannis sure he’s the best prospect since lebron.

Giannis was not a can't miss prospect, that's purely hindsight on ur part

Davis and KD were up there but Zion is a better prospect, and Luka was not as unanimous as Zion was.

He actually was with the rest of the world, just most Americans thought they knew better

But Zion does not posses the same court vision or have the same shooting ability. He will have to seriously have Shaq type impact under the rim to be considered for MVP.
But most importantly, the same doctor that warned us what can happen to his knee, one week before his injury actually happened, doesn't think he will be able to stay on the court for most of the games every season. Zion is a huge medical IF right now.

[XTraderXL]

i wouldn't underestimate Zion

You understand Zion will have to average numbers like Giannis' to be even put in the same sentence with Luka right?

oh i'm completely aware, that's why he's the best prospect since LeBron.

The best and the most exciting are not the same thing. Zion is definitely not the best prospect since LeBron, but for Americans he is the most exciting for sure. For Europeans not so much as we dont lose our minds over a guy dunking.

[Oscar9992]

Giannis Antetokounmpo's stats (33.7 PER, 1'st in NBA).
Per 36 minutes: 35.2 PPG, 6.3 APG, 15.1 RPG.
Per 100 possessions: 44.6 PPG, 8.0 APG, 19.1 RPG.


Luka Doncic's stats (32.1 PER, 2'nd).
Per 36 minutes: 32.7 PPG, 10.0 APG, 10.7 RPG.
Per 100 possessions: 43.8 PPG, 13.3 APG, 14.3 RPG.


James Harden's stats (31.1 PER, 3'rd).
Per 36 minutes: 36.8 PPG, 7.1 APG, 5.6 RPG.
Per 100 possessions: 47.0 PPG, 9.1 APG, 7.2 RPG.


Lebron James' stats (27.3 PER, 6'th).
Per 36 minutes: 26.9 PPG, 11.2 APG, 7.3 RPG.
Per 100 possessions: 35.7 PPG, 14.9 APG, 9.7 RPG.


Anthony Davis' stats (29.8 PER, 4'th).
Per 36 minutes: 28.4 PPG, 3.5 APG, 9.6 RPG.
Per 100 possessions: 37.6 PPG, 4.7 APG, 12.7 RPG.

[Bob8]

If you forget KD,AD,Luka and Giannis sure he’s the best prospect since lebron.

Giannis was not a can't miss prospect, that's purely hindsight on ur part

Davis and KD were up there but Zion is a better prospect, and Luka was not as unanimous as Zion was.

He actually was with the rest of the world, just most Americans thought they knew better

But Zion does not posses the same court vision or have the same shooting ability. He will have to seriously have Shaq type impact under the rim to be considered for MVP.
But most importantly, the same doctor that warned us what can happen to his knee, one week before his injury actually happened, doesn't think he will be able to stay on the court for most of the games every season. Zion is a huge medical IF right now.

Having Shaq’s impact, being 6’6, is something very improbable. Imho Zion will be a huge disappointment considering hype, especially in D.

[User_friendly]

If you forget KD,AD,Luka and Giannis sure he’s the best prospect since lebron.

Giannis was not a can't miss prospect, that's purely hindsight on ur part

Davis and KD were up there but Zion is a better prospect, and Luka was not as unanimous as Zion was.

You can hardly be a better prospect than an Euroleague MVP champion at 17.
And I don't think Zion was unanimously a better prospect than Doncic anyway, let alone what Luka proved last year to be.
And even if Zion had been considered the best prospect unanimously, that doesn't mean he was. People could be just wrong.

[User_friendly]

If you forget KD,AD,Luka and Giannis sure he’s the best prospect since lebron.

Giannis was not a can't miss prospect, that's purely hindsight on ur part

Davis and KD were up there but Zion is a better prospect, and Luka was not as unanimous as Zion was.

He actually was with the rest of the world, just most Americans thought they knew better

But Zion does not posses the same court vision or have the same shooting ability. He will have to seriously have Shaq type impact under the rim to be considered for MVP.
But most importantly, the same doctor that warned us what can happen to his knee, one week before his injury actually happened, doesn't think he will be able to stay on the court for most of the games every season. Zion is a huge medical IF right now.

I think people could be about Zion's court vision and shooting ability the same wrong they were about Doncic way to handle NBA's athletism.
I've seen glimpses of him being much better in that aspect that he is credited for.
About his health, time will tell, but I also think most people are talking lightly about it

[PistolPeteJR]

Just, why?

[Wagonband]

Just, why?

To show Luka has by far the superior per possesion numbers? I guess

[Homer38]

Read on Twitter

[WestGOAT]

How impressive are the numbers anyway? I think everyone can recognize that stats nowadays are heavily inflated, I just wonder how one can adjust appropriately to put them in proper historic context. Perhaps measuring the difference in proportions of variance/standard deviation, relative to median scoring?

[lakers2020]

Defensive rebounds can be the most useless stat depending on the player (Westbrook)... Offensive rebounds are like 4x more important, if one took into consideration the amount of uncontested defensive rebounds

For me it's Giannis, although I fear voters don't like to vote the same guy multiple times even if he's the most deserving.