Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors

[durka]

Masai is giving a used car salesmen pitch recharacterizing a salvaged vehicle as a "rebuilt title." Your two best players are 28! Treadmilling and SWEEP!

I mean Daryl Morey is selling you a player in Harden who is clearly passed his prime, which seems much more like something a used-car salesman would sell than the guy who's selling the development of a ROY candidate (who you conveniently seem to forget to mention every time you bring up this silly treadmill argument) with a solid supporting cast that haschampionship experience around him.

Who cares about a prime? He's much better right now than any Raptor in history not named Kawhi.

Once again ignoring the rookie who almost put up a triple double in his first playoff game that kills your entire treadmill argument.

And another terrible argument. I'm assuming you've been watching Sixers games after they traded for Harden, because this version of Harden who barley shot 40% on the season isn't better than Lowry, Carter, DeRozan, Bosh or Siakam.

We're seemingly going in circles here, though. This is my last post engaging with you, all the best.

[eyeatoma]

Nothing. Just stirring up more drama when it has already been covered ad nauseum that 99% of Raptors fans were cheering a fast-break opportunity in a potential Championship-clinching game at home. One fan being an idiot and waving goodbye to Durant or ~100 fans cheering because Durant was injured doesn't speak for the whole fanbase.

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Did you listen to the video?

The video that started literally a second after Ibaka was fouled at the other end and awarded 2 free throws in a close game? Yes.

Wild how Philly fans think they're excused from cheering a promising rookie's injury because someone fouled out in a blowout in G1 of the first round, but Raptors fans are still being attacked for cheering during/after a fast-break in a potential Championship-clinching game.

Philly fans were cheering Barnes', injury? I don't remember that. If they were, that's despicable as well. My point is, there is a lot of "pot meet kettle" going on here.

[eyeatoma]

I mean Daryl Morey is selling you a player in Harden who is clearly passed his prime, which seems much more like something a used-car salesman would sell than the guy who's selling the development of a ROY candidate (who you conveniently seem to forget to mention every time you bring up this silly treadmill argument) with a solid supporting cast that haschampionship experience around him.

Who cares about a prime? He's much better right now than any Raptor in history not named Kawhi.

Once again ignoring the rookie who almost put up a triple double in his first playoff game that kills your entire treadmill argument.

And another terrible argument. I'm assuming you've been watching Sixers games after they traded for Harden, because this version of Harden who barley shot 40% on the season isn't better than Lowry, Carter, DeRozan, Bosh or Siakam.

We're seemingly going in circles here, though. This is my last post engaging with you, all the best.

More irony, and false narratives.

[pingpongrac]

Did you listen to the video?

The video that started literally a second after Ibaka was fouled at the other end and awarded 2 free throws in a close game? Yes.

Wild how Philly fans think they're excused from cheering a promising rookie's injury because someone fouled out in a blowout in G1 of the first round, but Raptors fans are still being attacked for cheering during/after a fast-break in a potential Championship-clinching game.

Philly fans were cheering Barnes', injury? I don't remember that. If they were, that's despicable as well. My point is, there is a lot of "pot meet kettle" going on here.

You're so full of it lol. Why else would you post that video if not in response to Raptors fans saying Philly was cheering Scottie's injury?

And personally, I don't think they were cheering because of the injury. FVV fouling out is just bad timing and the ensuing cheers were likely in response to his ejection. Just like Ibaka running the fast-break then being awarded FT and the ensuing cheers was bad timing when Durant was injured. It's just stupid to bring up a video from 3 years ago as "proof" that a fanbase is despicable because of a few idiots.

[Tha Cynic]

Did you listen to the video?

The video that started literally a second after Ibaka was fouled at the other end and awarded 2 free throws in a close game? Yes.

Wild how Philly fans think they're excused from cheering a promising rookie's injury because someone fouled out in a blowout in G1 of the first round, but Raptors fans are still being attacked for cheering during/after a fast-break in a potential Championship-clinching game.

Philly fans were cheering Barnes', injury? I don't remember that. If they were, that's despicable as well. My point is, there is a lot of "pot meet kettle" going on here.

Yeah big shocker than in a stadium with 20,000 fans, both cities have despicable human beings who cheer an injury...

In both cases fans cheered the player when he walked off too.

In the Durant situation most were cheering the foul in Ibaka. In the Barnes situation most were cheering FVV fouling out. And yes in terms of both sides there were idiots cheering injuries.

[eyeatoma]

The video that started literally a second after Ibaka was fouled at the other end and awarded 2 free throws in a close game? Yes.

Wild how Philly fans think they're excused from cheering a promising rookie's injury because someone fouled out in a blowout in G1 of the first round, but Raptors fans are still being attacked for cheering during/after a fast-break in a potential Championship-clinching game.

Philly fans were cheering Barnes', injury? I don't remember that. If they were, that's despicable as well. My point is, there is a lot of "pot meet kettle" going on here.

You're so full of it lol. Why else would you post that video if not in response to Raptors fans saying Philly was cheering Scottie's injury?

And personally, I don't think they were cheering because of the injury. FVV fouling out is just bad timing and the ensuing cheers were likely in response to his ejection. Just like Ibaka running the fast-break then being awarded FT and the ensuing cheers was bad timing when Durant was injured. It's just stupid to bring up a video from 3 years ago as "proof" that a fanbase is despicable because of a few idiots.

I really didn't know they did that. I saw more of the purposeful act of injury, and the overall dirty play comments.

[bisme37]

I don't understand trying to make people on RGM feel bad because other people they've never met cheered an injury years ago.

[eyeatoma]

The video that started literally a second after Ibaka was fouled at the other end and awarded 2 free throws in a close game? Yes.

Wild how Philly fans think they're excused from cheering a promising rookie's injury because someone fouled out in a blowout in G1 of the first round, but Raptors fans are still being attacked for cheering during/after a fast-break in a potential Championship-clinching game.

Philly fans were cheering Barnes', injury? I don't remember that. If they were, that's despicable as well. My point is, there is a lot of "pot meet kettle" going on here.

Yeah big shocker than in a stadium with 20,000 fans, both cities have despicable human beings who cheer an injury...

In both cases fans cheered the player when he walked off too.

In the Durant situation most were cheering the foul in Ibaka. In the Barnes situation most were cheering FVV fouling out. And yes in terms of both sides there were idiots cheering injuries.

This is the realization that I wanted people to have. So can people stop the narrative hat Joel doesn't' deserve his fouls? When in the NBA have we not seen physically dominant superstars, not get free throw calls?

There are multiple things that happen here.

1. Joel earns the majority of his calls.
2. He's one of the most physically imposing players in the league, which gives him the benefit of the doubt, far more physical than other stars.
3. He is a super star, and gets super star calls.
4. Like all super stars, at times he grifts, but it isn't an every time to the line sort of thing.

The MVP debate around him, and the method of his scoring has been broken down ad-nauseam, and there are a lot of false narratives that have been perpetuated because of how close the MVP race is.

[binjumper]

This thread is disgusting there is no real discussion going on. Just dudes throwing salt on non sense and a guy keep saying treadmilling team and others getting baited. Complete trash thread. Gonna avoid this and talk to other fans about other series. IF these are current Realgm fans then might as well go to instagram.

[BullyKing]

Swapping out the 11-15th players on your roster for equally terrible but younger players is not a rebuild. The core of the team remains the same except for Achiuwa in place of Lowry and Trent in place of Powell.

Scottie Barnes?

Added literally a future superstar in Barnes.
Not to mention, Achiuwa and Trent are terrific young prospects. Not sure why he makes it seem like they're cans or something.

Because the question is whether the Raptors are rebuilding. Yes, they added Barnes. They didn't trade a veteran for him or for the draft pick to draft him. They selected him with their pick. That doesn't transform the following season into a rebuilding season any more than it does for the other 25 times that used a first round pick on a player last year.

[tdotrep2]

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Thankfully MVP voters recognize how Joel gets a large chunk of his points...and he will have yet another 2nd place MVP to add to his resume

its pathetic, he benefits the most of friendly resfs in the league, its kinda gross, the amount of times refs just blow their whistle for no damn reason

[eyeatoma]

I don't understand trying to make people on RGM feel bad because other people they've never met cheered an injury years ago.

Trying to point out how false narratives are dangerous, and how easily perpetuated they are. See my next post about Embiid, and the narrative that he does not earn his free throws.

I dont' see the same narrative about Giannis, and I wonder if it's because he doesnt' make them at the same rate. The point is, it doesn't make Embiid's free throws any less deserving.

When fans get frustrated, these are the narratives that get thrown around.

The raptors are an upstart team, that beat expectations made by the media. They were predicted to be in a tight series, with players that match up very well with Philly because of their lack of athleticism.

Philly fans are allowed to be happy when they see their team doing well, against a team that has always given them problems. It brings up another narrative where we aren't allowed to be happy about it, because the Raptors are in a rebuilding year.

When it really should be, the Raptors being proud of their young teams potential, and potential to upset a team with championship aspirations, and the opposing team's ability to fight their demons, and get a monkey off their back that has plagued them for the last few years.

Instead there is a lot of, Raptors, are pretenders, they are a treadmill team, and how dare Philly be proud that they beat a young upstart Raptors team.

I just think there are a lot of agendas on here, and I'm trying to share another agenda in an attempt to show how all of them are a false narrative, brought up by fans letting emotions get the best of them.

[Dirk]

I think the mods should just close this thread down. All I seem to be doing is responding to smack from Raptors fans. No discussion about the series from a basketball standpoint.I tried to post a thread a couple of pages ago about Game 1 - how the Sixers gameplan worked and what Nurse may need to do in Game 2 to counteract it. I got ZERO responses. But when it comes to slagging Harden, or b!tching about the refs? There is no shortage of smack being thrown.

If the mods want to keep this thread open, what can be done to turn down the smack level - from both sides?

We should all value the good posts and ignore/don't feed the bad ones.

An open mind and some stomach is required to read some things that irritate us, but that we know we should tune off.

[76ersForLife]

Masai is giving a used car salesmen pitch recharacterizing a salvaged vehicle as a "rebuilt title." Your two best players are 28! Treadmilling and SWEEP!

I mean Daryl Morey is selling you a player in Harden who is clearly passed his prime, which seems much more like something a used-car salesman would sell than the guy who's selling the development of a ROY candidate (who you conveniently seem to forget to mention every time you bring up this silly treadmill argument) with a solid supporting cast that haschampionship experience around him.

Who cares about a prime? He's much better right now than any Raptor in history not named Kawhi.

No, he isnt, stop making absurd comments.

[Tha Cynic]

Philly fans were cheering Barnes', injury? I don't remember that. If they were, that's despicable as well. My point is, there is a lot of "pot meet kettle" going on here.

Yeah big shocker than in a stadium with 20,000 fans, both cities have despicable human beings who cheer an injury...

In both cases fans cheered the player when he walked off too.

In the Durant situation most were cheering the foul in Ibaka. In the Barnes situation most were cheering FVV fouling out. And yes in terms of both sides there were idiots cheering injuries.

This is the realization that I wanted people to have. So can people stop the narrative hat Joel doesn't' deserve his fouls? When in the NBA have we not seen physically dominant superstars, not get free throw calls?

There are multiple things that happen here.

1. Joel earns the majority of his calls.
2. He's one of the most physically imposing players in the league, which gives him the benefit of the doubt, far more physical than other stars.
3. He is a super start, and gets super star calls.
4. Like all super stars, at times he grifts, but it is an every time to the line sort of thing.

The MVP debate around him, and the method of his scoring has been broken down ad-nauseam, and there are a lot of false narratives that have been perpetuated because of how close the MVP race is.

If the 76ers get past the Raptors, the Philly fans will understand the difference in how the Raptors are reffed vs the Celtics or Heat as an example. You won't see Tatum get 3 no impact on play phantom calls take him out of any ability to defend. You won't see Embiid gett calls where the defenders get to their spots and simply go up straight. The Raptors are one of the best defensive teams in the league and have the coach who throws out the most schemes. It is definitely frustrating when one end of the floor is reffed differently than the other. Again, this round doesn't matter, but the fans will understand when the 76ers face another American darling team. If those fouls called in the Raptors were legit fouls, then each team would have numerous players foul out each game.

[SelfishPlayer]

Interesting chatter in here. One team has championship aspirations while the other is trying to get experience for their young players.

Everything including the Raptors being in the playoffs was already a success. 76ers fans should have much higher ambitions than beating a rebuilding team lol

If the 76ers are really spending this much energy on the Raptors then this isn't a championship team.

The Raptors have two 28 year old All Stars with championship rings, that usually means automatically making the playoffs in the east.

Raptors are quite literally one of the youngest teams in the league. Also I hope you realize the East is much stronger and much more difficult to qualify for the playoffs .

Both are true, and still the treadmill.

[The High Cyde]

I had Raps in 6, but I misjudged. 76s look poised and Doc coached a great game. I think Philly takes this in 6. Raps look overwhelmed with Embiid and Maxey. Caught in the seams is Harden being a maestro facilitator. He’s still a dangerous point guard.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah big shocker than in a stadium with 20,000 fans, both cities have despicable human beings who cheer an injury...

In both cases fans cheered the player when he walked off too.

In the Durant situation most were cheering the foul in Ibaka. In the Barnes situation most were cheering FVV fouling out. And yes in terms of both sides there were idiots cheering injuries.

This is the realization that I wanted people to have. So can people stop the narrative hat Joel doesn't' deserve his fouls? When in the NBA have we not seen physically dominant superstars, not get free throw calls?

There are multiple things that happen here.

1. Joel earns the majority of his calls.
2. He's one of the most physically imposing players in the league, which gives him the benefit of the doubt, far more physical than other stars.
3. He is a super start, and gets super star calls.
4. Like all super stars, at times he grifts, but it is an every time to the line sort of thing.

The MVP debate around him, and the method of his scoring has been broken down ad-nauseam, and there are a lot of false narratives that have been perpetuated because of how close the MVP race is.

If the 76ers get past the Raptors, the Philly fans will understand the difference in how the Raptors are reffed vs the Celtics or Heat as an example. You won't see Tatum get 3 no impact on play phantom calls take him out of any ability to defend. You won't see Embiid gett calls where the defenders get to their spots and simply go up straight. The Raptors are one of the best defensive teams in the league and have the coach who throws out the most schemes. It is definitely frustrating when one end of the floor is reffed differently than the other. Again, this round doesn't matter, but the fans will understand when the 76ers face another American darling team. If those fouls called in the Raptors were legit fouls, then each team would have numerous players foul out each game.

Tatum has a completely different game than Embiid. Why would he get the same calls?

I disagree that those were phantom calls. When you get to the line all the time, the 50/50 calls tend to go your way. Many of those calls that some fans pointed out were clear fouls.

[Tha Cynic]

The Raptors have two 28 year old All Stars with championship rings, that usually means automatically making the playoffs in the east.

Raptors are quite literally one of the youngest teams in the league. Also I hope you realize the East is much stronger and much more difficult to qualify for the playoffs .

Both are true, and still the treadmill.

One team won a championship, moved away from all their top players, drafted a stud rookie, didn't even bother to fix their roster issues and were a few games behind the 76ers in the standings. And we have fans of the team going for a championship flexing as if the 76ers have achieved something.

[SelfishPlayer]

Interesting chatter in here. One team has championship aspirations while the other is trying to get experience for their young players.

Everything including the Raptors being in the playoffs was already a success. 76ers fans should have much higher ambitions than beating a rebuilding team lol

If the 76ers are really spending this much energy on the Raptors then this isn't a championship team.

The Raptors have two 28 year old All Stars with championship rings, that usually means automatically making the playoffs in the east.

Oh really? That's not what any of the US "experts" said before this season. At best they were expected to get a play-in spot. Siakam was criticized and FVV was never an all-star before. Also there was zero talk about the Raptors. Now suddenly a week before they face the 76ers there's all this chatter about the Raptors beating the 76ers lol.

You gotta love how the goal posts have now changed it's almost like people were preparing the 76ers in case they lost in the first round. The Raptors themselves came into this season as a rebuilding year.

Basically they have destroyed all projections and massively overachieved. The rookie they drafted was slighted as a reach. Suddenly he's in the running for rookie of the year.

Either everyone thinks these two teams are evenly matched, in which case the 76ers are not a championship contender, or the 76ers should expect to easily win this series and all this chatter is moot.

Yes, that all may be true,but the Raptors are all over that treadmill. Dinosaur sized treadmill...

Warned for baiting