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[soxperry]

describe the contracts

as a second question id ask the board who would you rather have........ portis or kpj or even gtj for 14 mil per?

thats the question in my head

i think id take them in this order

portis
gtj
kpj

id feel icky about all 3 for that number but id also get it

Youre clinically insane

even with your insult whats youre take? show me your order?

gtj showed out for 35 in two playoff games and portis is culture and numbers and an alternative to lopez who besides him we have very little for.

kpj is theoretically the best middleton replacemnt type?

but is he really? thats a reach for me. im kinda culture first right now?

Lol its not really an insult its just hyperbole. I dont think youre actually insane

Gary had a Bryn Forbes moment. He had two very hot shooting nights. Thats awesome but look how far that got us. If you dont think kpj can be the number 2, thats fine, but what other option do we have but to let him try? If we pay Kpj and Trent has to go because of it and kpj sucks, what did we lose? A second round appearance?

Theres a route back to the finals, however narrow, that requires kpj to blossom and can happen with or without trent. You can not reverse this and have it be true.

So thats my logic.

Kpj
Big gap
Bobby/Trent (no idea who to pick)

[ShootingtheJ]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat.

Who gives a ****? The best defense is any one that encourages the opposing offense to go to their center for some kind of stupid post action. If the Clippers decide they want to play Zubac vs Giannis in the post, let them. The Bucks will win.

Yup. Posters here wore out the phrase "who would guard Embiid in the playoffs" for years. We've never faced him once. The Bucks have a chance to get better if they stop wasting assets on centers.

[ShootingtheJ]

Youre clinically insane

even with your insult whats youre take? show me your order?

gtj showed out for 35 in two playoff games and portis is culture and numbers and an alternative to lopez who besides him we have very little for.

kpj is theoretically the best middleton replacemnt type?

but is he really? thats a reach for me. im kinda culture first right now?

Lol its not really an insult its just hyperbole. I dont think youre actually insane

Gary had a Bryn Forbes moment. He had two very hot shooting nights. Thats awesome but look how far that got us. If you dont think kpj can be the number 2, thats fine, but what other option do we have but to let him try? If we pay Kpj and Trent has to go because of it and kpj sucks, what did we lose? A second round appearance?

Theres a route back to the finals, however narrow, that requires kpj to blossom and can happen with or without trent. You can not reverse this and have it be true.

So thats my logic.

Kpj
Big gap
Bobby/Trent (no idea who to pick)

GTJ didn't have a "Forbes moment". Forbes came off the bench in blowouts and hit some meaningless shots against a terribly overmatched team. GTJ hit huge shot after huge shot in tight games versus the team that went to the Finals.

[soxperry]

even with your insult whats youre take? show me your order?

gtj showed out for 35 in two playoff games and portis is culture and numbers and an alternative to lopez who besides him we have very little for.

kpj is theoretically the best middleton replacemnt type?

but is he really? thats a reach for me. im kinda culture first right now?

Lol its not really an insult its just hyperbole. I dont think youre actually insane

Gary had a Bryn Forbes moment. He had two very hot shooting nights. Thats awesome but look how far that got us. If you dont think kpj can be the number 2, thats fine, but what other option do we have but to let him try? If we pay Kpj and Trent has to go because of it and kpj sucks, what did we lose? A second round appearance?

Theres a route back to the finals, however narrow, that requires kpj to blossom and can happen with or without trent. You can not reverse this and have it be true.

So thats my logic.

Kpj
Big gap
Bobby/Trent (no idea who to pick)

GTJ didn't have a "Forbes moment". Forbes came off the bench in blowouts and hit some meaningless shots against a terribly overmatched team. GTJ hit huge shot after huge shot in tight games versus the team that went to the Finals.

Yes he hit shots. He didn't really create them though, that was my point. We generated good looks and he knocked em down.

[blazza18]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat.

Who gives a ****? The best defense is any one that encourages the opposing offense to go to their center for some kind of stupid post action. If the Clippers decide they want to play Zubac vs Giannis in the post, let them. The Bucks will win.

I would be very concerned about Giannis fouling out if he played more 5. Not sure how many bigs are worse than him defending in the post.

[BigO]

I think they all have value in Milwaukee. We need a guard like CJ just as much as a wing like Herb. We add a lot of defense and a viable scoring punch. When Dame comes back there’s a variety of lineup options. I like it a lot.

You didn't answer the question of who replaces BP's rebounding and scoring? CJ is injury prone, old and not a good defender. You're giving up rebounding, scoring efficiency and a first rounder and more for this return?

Not sure Herb Jones is worth the '31 first, let alone tons of twos and BP. Some fanbases overvalue their assets.The Bucks fanbase grossly undervalue the players they have.

BP is a free agent and we have bird rights. what would you spend? im curious

im not a huge fan like you at all but this offseason i think we need to re=up and not lose him considering all the other actions were facing. he does have value id not want to see leave in the front court without an alternative. losing him and brook together would be ugh

so just curious coming from you. whats the number youd let him walk?

In normal times, I'd be surprised if BP didn't get several offers in the low 20 million. A guy like Kuzma got a long term deal above 20 million.

But with all the teams at or near the aprons and needing to keep their stars, he's likely to get less. He is worth 15 million at least and I would be surprised if he doesn't get offered that. I think the good coaches, like Kerr, love him. He's low maintenance, tough as nails (not fake tough), a good shooter and excellent rebounder.

I have no problems with him leaving, as long as the Bucks get scoring and rebounding and toughness to replace him. I just think it's silly to think he's easily replaceable. As soon as he leaves, posters will start recommending trades to figure out how to get stretch forwards who can rebound.

[midranger]

Lauri's a bad fit w/ Giannis. Who's going to body true centers? The Zubac-types would eat.

Who gives a ****? The best defense is any one that encourages the opposing offense to go to their center for some kind of stupid post action. If the Clippers decide they want to play Zubac vs Giannis in the post, let them. The Bucks will win.

I would be very concerned about Giannis fouling out if he played more 5. Not sure how many bigs are worse than him defending in the post.

How many teams operate through their centers in the post?

Heck, how many centers operate primarily in the post?

[blazza18]

How many teams operate through their centers in the post?

Heck, how many centers operate primarily in the post?

It's a fine point but I think the frequency of post ups would go up against us.

[bucksfansince88]

KPJ and Bobby are top priorities, I like Trent and would love him back but maybe it’s time for AJ green to step up and get more minutes and attempts. We could use an actual SF that could hoop.

[soxperry]

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[soxperry]

You didn't answer the question of who replaces BP's rebounding and scoring? CJ is injury prone, old and not a good defender. You're giving up rebounding, scoring efficiency and a first rounder and more for this return?

Not sure Herb Jones is worth the '31 first, let alone tons of twos and BP. Some fanbases overvalue their assets.The Bucks fanbase grossly undervalue the players they have.

BP is a free agent and we have bird rights. what would you spend? im curious

im not a huge fan like you at all but this offseason i think we need to re=up and not lose him considering all the other actions were facing. he does have value id not want to see leave in the front court without an alternative. losing him and brook together would be ugh

so just curious coming from you. whats the number youd let him walk?

In normal times, I'd be surprised if BP didn't get several offers in the low 20 million. A guy like Kuzma got a long term deal above 20 million.

But with all the teams at or near the aprons and needing to keep their stars, he's likely to get less. He is worth 15 million at least and I would be surprised if he doesn't get offered that. I think the good coaches, like Kerr, love him. He's low maintenance, tough as nails (not fake tough), a good shooter and excellent rebounder.

I have no problems with him leaving, as long as the Bucks get scoring and rebounding and toughness to replace him. I just think it's silly to think he's easily replaceable. As soon as he leaves, posters will start recommending trades to figure out how to get stretch forwards who can rebound.

according to my tally and assuming the following, we can pay Bobby a max of 14.7M.

Brook walks or somehow gets traded for only picks and no returning salary
Stay under tax
Use full mle
use full bae
re sign rollins to 3.5 per
roster 14 official nba contracts, including Sims at the minimum and two vet mins (or the rookie 2nd rounder and a vet)

If we can find a way to get salary relief by moving Pat, then we can increase the number we can give Bobby by that much.

[EasyE31]

I loved Gary Trent last year but I don't see the logic of using the MLE on him given who we already have on the roster and who's available in free agency.

AJ Green is more than capable to start at the 2. I'm VERY comfortable with AJG just stepping into a 30 mpg type role. We've proven the past two years (Beasley, GTJ) we can find shooters on minimum deals. Decent chance someone like DLo, Tim Hardaway, Schroder, etc slips down to a minimum type deal. Even if not you can go after guys like Eric Gordon, Gary Harris, GPII, Seth Curry, etc. There's no shortage of backup guards that can shoot the ball and will play on a minimum.

Finding a true two way wing player is much more difficult and much more valuable use of those dollars. Go get NAW, Bruce Brown, Kelly Oubre, Jae'Sean Tate, or someone like that with the MLE space.

[EasyE31]

You didn't answer the question of who replaces BP's rebounding and scoring? CJ is injury prone, old and not a good defender. You're giving up rebounding, scoring efficiency and a first rounder and more for this return?

Not sure Herb Jones is worth the '31 first, let alone tons of twos and BP. Some fanbases overvalue their assets.The Bucks fanbase grossly undervalue the players they have.

BP is a free agent and we have bird rights. what would you spend? im curious

im not a huge fan like you at all but this offseason i think we need to re=up and not lose him considering all the other actions were facing. he does have value id not want to see leave in the front court without an alternative. losing him and brook together would be ugh

so just curious coming from you. whats the number youd let him walk?

In normal times, I'd be surprised if BP didn't get several offers in the low 20 million. A guy like Kuzma got a long term deal above 20 million.

But with all the teams at or near the aprons and needing to keep their stars, he's likely to get less. He is worth 15 million at least and I would be surprised if he doesn't get offered that. I think the good coaches, like Kerr, love him. He's low maintenance, tough as nails (not fake tough), a good shooter and excellent rebounder.

I have no problems with him leaving, as long as the Bucks get scoring and rebounding and toughness to replace him. I just think it's silly to think he's easily replaceable. As soon as he leaves, posters will start recommending trades to figure out how to get stretch forwards who can rebound.

100%

Also don't forget its not as simple as going out and replacing him given we have his bird rights. If we don't retain Bobby we have to use the MLE to replace him which means we can't use it elsewhere.

[KendallMarshall]

It’s a shame to me that Giannis has gone this far into his career without ever playing with a point guard.

Bro could you imagine if he played with Kendall Marshall? (Giannis before he broke out doesn't count)

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You didn't answer the question of who replaces BP's rebounding and scoring? CJ is injury prone, old and not a good defender. You're giving up rebounding, scoring efficiency and a first rounder and more for this return?

Not sure Herb Jones is worth the '31 first, let alone tons of twos and BP. Some fanbases overvalue their assets.The Bucks fanbase grossly undervalue the players they have.

BP is a free agent and we have bird rights. what would you spend? im curious

im not a huge fan like you at all but this offseason i think we need to re=up and not lose him considering all the other actions were facing. he does have value id not want to see leave in the front court without an alternative. losing him and brook together would be ugh

so just curious coming from you. whats the number youd let him walk?

In normal times, I'd be surprised if BP didn't get several offers in the low 20 million. A guy like Kuzma got a long term deal above 20 million.

But with all the teams at or near the aprons and needing to keep their stars, he's likely to get less. He is worth 15 million at least and I would be surprised if he doesn't get offered that. I think the good coaches, like Kerr, love him. He's low maintenance, tough as nails (not fake tough), a good shooter and excellent rebounder.

I have no problems with him leaving, as long as the Bucks get scoring and rebounding and toughness to replace him. I just think it's silly to think he's easily replaceable. As soon as he leaves, posters will start recommending trades to figure out how to get stretch forwards who can rebound.

what are normal times? are we going back to normal times? if not then why bring it up or refer to it?

kuzma is a bad contract even in "normal times". not sure what he has to do with bobby.

gtj got the vet min last year and will get most of an mle these year. hes a better comp than kuzma. bobby should get paid around what gtj may be worth imo

[jschligs]

I feel like the CBA rules were supposed to help players make more. Now it seems like there are lots of guys who would've gotten big offers 5 years ago (in that time) that are getting less because teams are stuck up against the apron.

[Ron Swanson]

I was always very skeptical about the stuff Jim O. was suggesting (Bobby picking up his option, Trent re-signing on a discount) and everything that's filtered out since then only reinforces my skepticism. Realistically, I don't see a scenario where you're coaxing Gary back without a full MLE offer, and that leaves you hoping Porter takes the bi-annual exception. That's the most I'd go to re-sign him anyways, but this whole idea of "splitting up the full MLE" and using it to grab multiple good rotation players always seemed like a pipe dream completely divorced from the current market reality. If Steven Adams' corpse just got 3-yrs $39 million fully guaranteed, then I can't even blame a guy like Bobby for thinking he's worth $18-20 million per year.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I feel like the CBA rules were supposed to help players make more. Now it seems like there are lots of guys who would've gotten big offers 5 years ago (in that time) that are getting less because teams are stuck up against the apron.

completely has changed things now and forever. lots of guys will be forced to take far less and/or shorter deals with the nature of the cap rules. it makes no sense to give dudes more than the mle when so few teams each year would even have that to offer let alone space

[tydett]

I feel like the CBA rules were supposed to help players make more. Now it seems like there are lots of guys who would've gotten big offers 5 years ago (in that time) that are getting less because teams are stuck up against the apron.

completely has changed things now and forever. lots of guys will be forced to take far less and/or shorter deals with the nature of the cap rules. it makes no sense to give dudes more than the mle when so few teams each year would even have that to offer let alone space

NBPA **** over the middle class guys to be able to advertise gambling and smoke weed. CJ McCollum can get ****.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

we need to sign 3-4 of the next vet min type gtj this offseason instead of portis if he or the actual gtj gets jiggedy with this pay me 15 million ****. this isnt the year to get PAID bobby. this isnt the year to get PAID gary....as a milwaukee buck its just not the year.

go get paid but not here boys if you want "all the money". id rather break that MLE and BAE and trade exception up with hungry dudes that want an extra million over the vet min.

i think we can fill this entire roster cheap as **** if were patient.

dont forget we have giannis my pals. were gonna play some .500 ball and have a run but this is also a DOWN YEAR as it relates to stuff like this. the LAST THING we should do is overpay in desperation. just accept it and be strategic for once. weve mortgaged our future enough.

the big moves that will really impact us are whatever we can do with the existing contracts in trade....
ive seen all sorts of awesome bleacher report manuevers with dame, kuzma, and pat in trade. maybe some s/t's......i say we look at those if were looking for a #2 guy.... pick one or two, and then fill the roster out with multiple value guys that fall thru the cracks. we got kpj for marjon at the deadline and that fact is worth more than whatever you think hes even worth. depth and flexibility wins in this league now and if this is a down year for us lets not make a salary mistake all just so we can eke out 3-4 regular season wins and accomplish what exactly?

sell giannis on a bigger vision or not at all.

i dont care whose on the roster if next year were in a first round matchup and the future looks bright it was a good offseason