Around the NBA (2.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk)

[Froob]

Serious mental gymnastics to make it seem like Butler won’t dramatically improve the Sixers in this thread. As if there weren’t just “trade Hayward or Brown for Butler” takes in the GT last night

It’s a risk chemistry wise, but they didn’t give up anything all that valuable. I know some people really like Saric but, it’s great value basically just giving up Saric for Butler.

[thelarrybirdx]

Not to discredit RoCo and Saric, but that’s a decent upgrade.

Good news for the Celtics as now we may be able to return to underdog status as the #3-4 favorite in the east instead of the runaway #1

Bingo. Stevens and the lads seem to play their best as underdogs. Maybe this takes some pressure off the team

[aim2please]

Not a fan of this trade for Philly long term. Panicky move IMO. They are not winning the tittle this year anyways. Why not try to build something that has a longer window? Butler is a great short-term upgrade, but not a great fit.

Considering his injuries and dependence on athleticism, he's the type of player that could age poorly. By giving up this much, they HAVE to pay him next summer. I'd rather have him on a 4 than a 5 year deal.

On top of that, he's not a 'system' player that you can just plug and play around others. He loves to iso and adds most value when he has the ball in his hands. With Simmons there, I don't love the fit. This also means that Fultz is getting benched. Starting Butler, Ben and him would make it so hard for Embiid to have any space to work.

Minnesota had zero leverage. Getting two starter level players on reasonable deals is as good as you can do in this situation. I don't love their future either, because Wiggins and KAT showed no heart or passions for basketball. They will be like Wizards with Wall and Beal. 45 win team that wins a playoff series every other year.

That being said, short-term, East got a lot more interesting. Four legit good teams, plus solid Indy team. I'd take those four teams against any West team not named GSW. But media will still make fun of Eastern conference because muh.. west.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Not to discredit RoCo and Saric, but that’s a decent upgrade.

Good news for the Celtics as now we may be able to return to underdog status as the #3-4 favorite in the east instead of the runaway #1

I'd rate us third behind Toronto and Philly right now. How much Hayward progresses, and how our chemistry progresses will determine a lot about our season, but this is a BIG pickup for Philly. They're no joke, and didn't even have to give up all that much.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Do they move Simmons to the 4 and start Reddick now?

After Embiid their big man depth is **** and they don’t have a decent 4 on the roster.

If they don't start Redick now, they are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Not a bad lineup. That bench is horrid though.

Guessing they'll upgrade via a couple of ring chasing vets in buyout season.

[itrsteve]

Not to discredit RoCo and Saric, but that’s a decent upgrade.

Good news for the Celtics as now we may be able to return to underdog status as the #3-4 favorite in the east instead of the runaway #1

Lol no.

That’s not where I rank the C’s but you know the media narratives and clinging to “superstars”.

Either way, for the first time I actually worry about Philly.

[London2Boston]

Yeah, don’t let some Philly fans on here overrating Saric and Covington to the max cloud anything. Philly got much better here. Was going to enjoy seeing Simmons and Embiid struggle to carry the load come playoff time but ohh well. Let’s sort out our own house first.

[Froob]

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[sam_I_am]

Butler is a great fit with Embiid and makes Simmons 3rd option offensively. I still think Embiid and Simmons are guys you build around but neither is a great fit with the other. Embiid could fit in a Simmons centered team but it’s a waste having him stand behind 3 pt line. Simmons’ lack of a shot makes it easier to double Embiid. Simmons does make a Butler/ Reddick backcourt pretty scary.

Saric and Covington are 2 good players so Philly will need one of their rookies to fill the void but Butler is easily the best player in trade.

Does this put Philly on par with Milwaukee now? I think so.

[Bar Fight]

I don't think people realize how bad Dario Saric has been this year. They "lost" his 30% three point shooting and his 36% FG shooting. I think they'll be fine.

[Wilfried]

Given your posting history, im leaning towards option c. Also, nothing screams insecurity like running to your rivals board after a trade to argue.

If it helps you

If you don't want people to 'argue' on a forum, maybe you shouldn't spent your time on forums. It's what happens there.

And you cannot deny going after me, not a problem to me. But you're really nitpicking here.

But I understand your anger. Another team (Minnesota) to ruin your Sacramento pick prediction
And still no sign of that pick being a real asset in a trade (read: for an asset to be an asset in a trade, you need a trade).

And stop giving warnings when I haven't offended/insulted anyone please, when you go after someone in the first place.
You act like your president

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Sixers gave up nothing and got a stud player in return. They are the second best team in the east and it isn't close. Had the celtics given up scraps for Butler people would have applauded the geniusness of Ainge.

[Valid]

They will find shooting at the trade deadline like last season (Korver probably) ...

That's pretty easy and cheap to find.

But they now have there superstar (Embiid), their second star (Butler) and third star (Simmons). It's rounding out.
And they probably aren't the best shooting team, but their D will be incredibly good.

They aren't the only team that is going to be going after shooters. You can't just assume they will find a bunch of knockdown shooters between now and February. Don't get me wrong: Butler definitely makes them better, but that team is going to have issues.

Every team besides maybe Tor and GS have glaring issues. Even your Celtics.

And that has what to do with what I said? And lol at saying the Celtics have "glaring" issues. The only real issue they have is acclimation. Some teams have more issues than others; the 76ers have A LOT of issues.

[Valid]

Sixers gave up nothing and got a stud player in return. They are the second best team in the east and it isn't close. Had the celtics given up scraps for Butler people would have applauded the genius of Ainge.

1. Zero shooting
2. No bench
3. Moron coach

They are not even close to the Celtics' level. Stop it, JB. The Celtics beat this team in six games max.

[Valid]

I don't think people realize how bad Dario Saric has been this year. They "lost" his 30% three point shooting and his 36% FG shooting. I think they'll be fine.

Saric definitely isn't that good. That being said, he did space the floor for them and was one of the only guys on that team that did so.

Like I keep saying: Philly got better overall, but their spacing got worse.

[Roddy]

I don't think people realize how bad Dario Saric has been this year. They "lost" his 30% three point shooting and his 36% FG shooting. I think they'll be fine.

18 pts / 8 rbs / 2 asts / 8-14 from 3 in the last two games...two wins. He will be fine.

[Valid]

Given your posting history, im leaning towards option c. Also, nothing screams insecurity like running to your rivals board after a trade to argue.

If it helps you

If you don't want people to 'argue' on a forum, maybe you shouldn't spent your time on forums. It's what happens there.

And you cannot deny going after me, not a problem to me. But you're really nitpicking here.

But I understand your anger. Another team (Minnesota) to ruin your Sacramento pick prediction
And still no sign of that pick being a real asset in a trade (read: for an asset to be an asset in a trade, you need a trade).

And stop giving warnings when I haven't offended/insulted anyone please, when you go after someone in the first place.
You act like your president

Lol so you are a 76ers fan? Still recovering from that curbstomping we gave you last spring, huh? Face it: we own you and will always own you. You can't beat us and you know it.

[Valid]

I don't think people realize how bad Dario Saric has been this year. They "lost" his 30% three point shooting and his 36% FG shooting. I think they'll be fine.

18 pts / 8 rbs / 2 asts / 8-14 from 3 in the last two games...two wins. He will be fine.

He also always seemed to play well against us for some reason. Again, he is not a very good player, but his ability space the floor was critical for a team that lacked floor spacing to begin with. Their only shooter is Redick.

[Valid]

Serious mental gymnastics to make it seem like Butler won’t dramatically improve the Sixers in this thread. As if there weren’t just “trade Hayward or Brown for Butler” takes in the GT last night

It's mental gymnastics to say that Butler isn't a great shooter and that the 76ers lack floor spacing while also acknowledging the 76ers got better overall?

[JAYZGOAT]

I don't think people realize how bad Dario Saric has been this year. They "lost" his 30% three point shooting and his 36% FG shooting. I think they'll be fine.

18 pts / 8 rbs / 2 asts / 8-14 from 3 in the last two games...two wins. He will be fine.

He also always seemed to play well against us for some reason. Again, he is not a very good player, but his ability space the floor was critical for a team that lacked floor spacing to begin with. Their only shooter is Redick.

Shamet is a shooter