2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

[getrichordie]

So other teams are game planning and Billy isn’t adjusting? You can’t have it both ways.

What exactly should he be adjusting? You can only do so much adjusting. This team just needs more shooting, period.


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It’s been well documented on here what the bench’s struggles are. Slick posted schroders assist to turnover ration. Abrines got one three point attempt last night. Dennis Schroder has become Enes Kanter of the bench unit, albeit better defensively.

Tbh I’m not really interested in discussing what Dononvan should be doing but more or less curious if those that want to give him credit for the teams’ success in some areas would be willing to admit that he’s fallen short in others. I think I see your answer. You can be a fan/supporter for a player and coach and still acknowledge their shortcomings. When you don’t do so it’s just blind homerism.

Example- Steven Adams is my favorite thunder player but he should have done a better job improving his free throw percentage by this point in his career.

Man, where do I even begin. You realize that what you just said goes hand in hand with my observations about the bench right? Look who Dennis is playing with on second unit:

Patterson (awful)
Abrines (keyed in by defense; explains 1 3PA)
Diallo (can’t shoot)
Ferguson (can’t shoot)
Westbrook (can’t shoot)
George (only guy besides Abrines who complements his offensive skillset)
Noel (everything he does on offense is predicated around spacing, which there is very little of)

So it’s not surprising that Schroder is turning the ball over. Better defenses are keyed in on him, Noel and Abrines and that’s it. Really hard to run an offense that way, even on second unit.

It’s not blind homer-ism, it’s basketball knowledge and common sense.


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[ThunderBolt]

What exactly should he be adjusting? You can only do so much adjusting. This team just needs more shooting, period.


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It’s been well documented on here what the bench’s struggles are. Slick posted schroders assist to turnover ration. Abrines got one three point attempt last night. Dennis Schroder has become Enes Kanter of the bench unit, albeit better defensively.

Tbh I’m not really interested in discussing what Dononvan should be doing but more or less curious if those that want to give him credit for the teams’ success in some areas would be willing to admit that he’s fallen short in others. I think I see your answer. You can be a fan/supporter for a player and coach and still acknowledge their shortcomings. When you don’t do so it’s just blind homerism.

Example- Steven Adams is my favorite thunder player but he should have done a better job improving his free throw percentage by this point in his career.

Man, where do I even begin. You realize that what you just said goes hand in hand with my observations about the bench right? Look who Dennis is playing with on second unit:

Patterson (awful)
Abrines (keyed in by defense; explains 1 3PA)
Diallo (can’t shoot)
Ferguson (can’t shoot)
Westbrook (can’t shoot)
George (only guy besides Abrines who complements his offensive skillset)
Noel (everything he does on offense is predicated around spacing, which there is very little of)

So it’s not surprising that Schroder is turning the ball over. Better defenses are keyed in on him, Noel and Abrines and that’s it. Really hard to run an offense that way, even on second unit.


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So something negative about Donovan. Just one thing.

[getrichordie]

It’s been well documented on here what the bench’s struggles are. Slick posted schroders assist to turnover ration. Abrines got one three point attempt last night. Dennis Schroder has become Enes Kanter of the bench unit, albeit better defensively.

Tbh I’m not really interested in discussing what Dononvan should be doing but more or less curious if those that want to give him credit for the teams’ success in some areas would be willing to admit that he’s fallen short in others. I think I see your answer. You can be a fan/supporter for a player and coach and still acknowledge their shortcomings. When you don’t do so it’s just blind homerism.

Example- Steven Adams is my favorite thunder player but he should have done a better job improving his free throw percentage by this point in his career.

Man, where do I even begin. You realize that what you just said goes hand in hand with my observations about the bench right? Look who Dennis is playing with on second unit:

Patterson (awful)
Abrines (keyed in by defense; explains 1 3PA)
Diallo (can’t shoot)
Ferguson (can’t shoot)
Westbrook (can’t shoot)
George (only guy besides Abrines who complements his offensive skillset)
Noel (everything he does on offense is predicated around spacing, which there is very little of)

So it’s not surprising that Schroder is turning the ball over. Better defenses are keyed in on him, Noel and Abrines and that’s it. Really hard to run an offense that way, even on second unit.


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So something negative about Donovan. Just one thing.

Why is it that there MUST be something negative about Donovan said?

But I’ll bite. He should have tried out Noel + Adams in the NOP game.

Also, I think he could do a little bit better job of managing players minutes but then again we will probably lose games if we rest them too much.

EDIT: Westbrook should be resting but I have a feeling he wouldn’t accept rest unless he feels it’s absolutely necessary.

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[getrichordie]

Just wanted to get someone to double check me on this.

So if we obtain a UFA on an expiring (I.E. KCP/Rivers) the most we can offer them is that Taxpayer MLE without having to make some additional moves, is that correct?


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[Dn4sty]

Just wanted to get someone to double check me on this.

So if we obtain a UFA on an expiring (I.E. KCP/Rivers) the most we can offer them is that Taxpayer MLE without having to make some additional moves, is that correct?


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Not necessarily. Bird rights come with certain players. Further OKC could re-sign KCP at 120% of his current salary next year even without bird rights. So they could give him up to 14 million next year.

I believe this is correct.

OKC would still have the tax MLE in addition to this.

[Pillendreher]

Just wanted to get someone to double check me on this.

So if we obtain a UFA on an expiring (I.E. KCP/Rivers) the most we can offer them is that Taxpayer MLE without having to make some additional moves, is that correct?


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Depends on wether we aquire bird rights or not:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q32

In the case of KCP, it would be the non-bird exception:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

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[getrichordie]

Just wanted to get someone to double check me on this.

So if we obtain a UFA on an expiring (I.E. KCP/Rivers) the most we can offer them is that Taxpayer MLE without having to make some additional moves, is that correct?


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Not necessarily. Bird rights come with certain players. Further OKC could re-sign KCP at 120% of his current salary next year even without bird rights. So they could give him up to 14 million next year.

I believe this is correct.

OKC would still have the tax MLE in addition to this.

I know about bird rights, but I thought that luxury tax kills bird rights for some reason. I’ll have to investigate.


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[Dn4sty]

Just wanted to get someone to double check me on this.

So if we obtain a UFA on an expiring (I.E. KCP/Rivers) the most we can offer them is that Taxpayer MLE without having to make some additional moves, is that correct?


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Not necessarily. Bird rights come with certain players. Further OKC could re-sign KCP at 120% of his current salary next year even without bird rights. So they could give him up to 14 million next year.

I believe this is correct.

OKC would still have the tax MLE in addition to this.

I know about bird rights, but I thought that luxury tax kills bird rights for some reason. I’ll have to investigate.


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It does not.

[getrichordie]

Not necessarily. Bird rights come with certain players. Further OKC could re-sign KCP at 120% of his current salary next year even without bird rights. So they could give him up to 14 million next year.

I believe this is correct.

OKC would still have the tax MLE in addition to this.

I know about bird rights, but I thought that luxury tax kills bird rights for some reason. I’ll have to investigate.


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It does not.

If a team with the right of first refusal does not have Early Bird rights to the player and is over the Apron, it will have only the smaller Taxpayer Mid-Level exception at its disposal, and cannot match an offer for the full Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.

— CBAfaq.com

I’m not well-versed in this stuff though, but we are “over the Apron,” correct? And that would mean we need the early bird rights, not just regular bird rights; is this correct?


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[Pillendreher]

If a team with the right of first refusal does not have Early Bird rights to the player and is over the Apron, it will have only the smaller Taxpayer Mid-Level exception at its disposal, and cannot match an offer for the full Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.

— CBAfaq.com

I’m not well-versed in this stuff though, but we are “over the Apron,” correct? And that would mean we need the early bird rights, not just regular bird rights; is this correct?


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1) Full bird rights > Early bird rights (see table Question 25)

2) What you're talking about is RFA, not UFA, the way I understand the exception you quoted. There's noting to "match" with unrestricted free agents.

[getrichordie]

If a team with the right of first refusal does not have Early Bird rights to the player and is over the Apron, it will have only the smaller Taxpayer Mid-Level exception at its disposal, and cannot match an offer for the full Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.

— CBAfaq.com

I’m not well-versed in this stuff though, but we are “over the Apron,” correct? And that would mean we need the early bird rights, not just regular bird rights; is this correct?


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1) Full bird rights > Early bird rights (see table Question 25)

2) What you're talking about is RFA, not UFA, the way I understand the exception you quoted. There's noting to "match" with unrestricted free agents.

Ah, okay. The CBA is so confusing. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

So if we were to trade for a KCP, we could re-sign him using the “Non-Bird Exception” even though we are going in tax, right? And it his first year has to start at 120% of his previous year’s salary ($12M) with 5% incremental raises each year.

Yeesh.


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[Pillendreher]

And it his first year has to start at 120% of his previous year’s salary ($12M) with 5% incremental raises each year.

It doesn't have to; it can.

[Dn4sty]

And it his first year has to start at 120% of his previous year’s salary ($12M) with 5% incremental raises each year.

It doesn't have to; it can.

Correct. It can go all the way up to 14 million per year. I don’t think in this case it would. I think KCP would be more than happy to do a multi year deal for a bit less money

[getrichordie]

And it his first year has to start at 120% of his previous year’s salary ($12M) with 5% incremental raises each year.

It doesn't have to; it can.

Interesting. That makes so much more sense. Thanks.

Kind of makes me wonder if Presti is going to overpay for a young veteran wing that has upside in our system for the next 3 years. Someone who can pick things up quick and excel with hard work. We could probably save money this way and gain a little more freedom to shop our front court players going forward if our wing depth is solid. It might also help us keep Abrines and Diallo. I think Presti wants to keep Abrines here. Move Ferguson if you have to.

Rivers makes a lot of sense in my mind. Smart player. Combo guard. Inconsistent. Presti thinks he can get him to his peak. Presti can probably offer him 4/40 with a team option.




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[ThunderBolt]

And it his first year has to start at 120% of his previous year’s salary ($12M) with 5% incremental raises each year.

It doesn't have to; it can.

Interesting. That makes so much more sense. Thanks.

Kind of makes me wonder if Presti is going to overpay for a young veteran wing that has upside in our system for the next 3 years. Someone who can pick things up quick and excel with hard work. We could probably save money this way and gain a little more freedom to shop our front court players going forward if our wing depth is solid. It might also help us keep Abrines and Diallo. I think Presti wants to keep Abrines here. Move Ferguson if you have to.

Rivers makes a lot of sense in my mind. Smart player. Combo guard. Inconsistent. Presti thinks he can get him to his peak. Presti can probably offer him 4/40 with a team option.




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One of the best thing about this team is its chemistry. These guys really seem to like each other. Austin rivers is a punk whose own teammates don’t like him. Keep him away from here.

[slick_watts]

Rivers makes a lot of sense in my mind. Smart player. Combo guard. Inconsistent. Presti thinks he can get him to his peak. Presti can probably offer him 4/40 with a team option.

please god, no.

[getrichordie]

It doesn't have to; it can.

Interesting. That makes so much more sense. Thanks.

Kind of makes me wonder if Presti is going to overpay for a young veteran wing that has upside in our system for the next 3 years. Someone who can pick things up quick and excel with hard work. We could probably save money this way and gain a little more freedom to shop our front court players going forward if our wing depth is solid. It might also help us keep Abrines and Diallo. I think Presti wants to keep Abrines here. Move Ferguson if you have to.

Rivers makes a lot of sense in my mind. Smart player. Combo guard. Inconsistent. Presti thinks he can get him to his peak. Presti can probably offer him 4/40 with a team option.




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One of the best thing about this team is its chemistry. These guys really seem to like each other. Austin rivers is a punk whose own teammates don’t like him. Keep him away from here.

I feel like we’ve said these kind of things before about someone.


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[ThunderBolt]

Interesting. That makes so much more sense. Thanks.

Kind of makes me wonder if Presti is going to overpay for a young veteran wing that has upside in our system for the next 3 years. Someone who can pick things up quick and excel with hard work. We could probably save money this way and gain a little more freedom to shop our front court players going forward if our wing depth is solid. It might also help us keep Abrines and Diallo. I think Presti wants to keep Abrines here. Move Ferguson if you have to.

Rivers makes a lot of sense in my mind. Smart player. Combo guard. Inconsistent. Presti thinks he can get him to his peak. Presti can probably offer him 4/40 with a team option.




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One of the best thing about this team is its chemistry. These guys really seem to like each other. Austin rivers is a punk whose own teammates don’t like him. Keep him away from here.

I feel like we’ve said these kind of things before about someone.


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Reggie Jackson.

[spearsy23]

Why did we start talking about Austin Rivers, and how do I make it stop?

[getrichordie]

Hmm... Horne just said we were interested in Torrey Craig last year.


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