Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[Skybox]

PT 2...

Maybe POR would send Robert Williams for Fultz or Harris and a couple srps, to get off his deal a year early? Or, even Fultz' expiring for Wiseman? just to get a big C with some defensive presence on the bench.

Williams is out for the year and always an injury risk...not quite Isaac level. But, when healthy, even in limited mins - he is tremendously impactful on the defensive end. That might be a gamble worth taking - he's only under contract for next season and his defensive ceiling is elite (he's already been there with the Celtics in playoff settings)...it's just a matter of health. Also, known to be one of the best-loved teammates in the league. ORL has taken salvage operations before (Fultz, re-signing Isaac)...this would be a really low risk with a huge payoff potential.

Could also just trade our 25 pick, rather than 24 and plan to pick the best defensive big available...I think there are quite a few.

[cedric76]

Smart? Dont we have enough guards that cant shoot? Dont want him here.

Might not be the ideal fit but he ticks many boxes. 33% from 3 isn't too shabby but he takes them

31% this year, 32% career. Not what we need. He is a better Fultz, but we don´t need a better Fultz, we need a different type of player, someone that fits to our core. Pass.

Fans have been brainwashed about 3pt orgy and forgot how math works

As long as you r respected, you can spread the floor, Smart is respected.

Now down to some basic math

Let say

Player A attempts 6 3pts per game at 33%
Player B attempts 6 3pts per game at 37%

Both play 70 games per Year

Player B will make 0.72pts more than player A per game

Yes. 0.72pts

0.72pts

0.72pts

Not even 1pt

[swarlesbarkley]

Might not be the ideal fit but he ticks many boxes. 33% from 3 isn't too shabby but he takes them

31% this year, 32% career. Not what we need. He is a better Fultz, but we don´t need a better Fultz, we need a different type of player, someone that fits to our core. Pass.

Fans have been brainwashed about 3pt orgy and forgot how math works

As long as you r respected, you can spread the floor, Smart is respected.

Now down to some basic math

Let say

Player A attempts 6 3pts per game at 33%
Player B attempts 6 3pts per game at 37%

Both play 70 games per Year

Player B will make 0.72pts more than player A per game

Yes. 0.72pts

0.72pts

0.72pts

Not even 1pt

The percentage matters when you need a 3 at the end of the game. Teams always leave Smart open for that 3 and he has rarely hit it.

[swarlesbarkley]

The problem is not Sharpe. The problem is Scoot and Simons are too small to play together.

There are wayyyy too many problems with this...

1. Franz and Paolo already need the ball in their hands. Adding another ball-handler who does most of his work scoring on ball makes no sense. The "3rd option" has to be more off ball or pass first given how having more than 2 ball dominate stars in your lineup is redundant

2. Blazers have 2-3 years to figure out the Guard Situation... They're not in any rush to just give away young players when they just started the rebuild.

3. Simons defense doesn't fit the point of attack defender they want at the guard slots. They want guys who have motor and can hound you defensively. This isn't Simons by any stretch of the imagination.

Simons takes over 4 3s per game as catch and shoots hitting them at a 45% clip. Closest comps among starting guards with similar stats are CJ McCollum and Steph Curry. No reason to believe he couldn't increase those attempts x2 while decreasing on ball time to Franchero.

Defensively, I agree he's not great but I have faith that Mose could turn him into a better defender.

This is my thought as well and why I think Orlando should put together a nice offer for him. Sure, he can make plays if he has the ball in his hands but if he buys into a Ray Allen Celtics type role for us then he might be the best catch and shoot 3 point shooter in the game. And it's a big bonus that if the ball lands in his hands at the end of the shot clock he'll know what to do and have a decent chance at scoring.

That 45% at catch and shoot on high volume would unlock so much for Paolo/Franz and even Suggs in the lane.

[T-Cat]

The key question is giving all the injuries again, will front office make a trade willing to compete this year or do another evaluation season?

[Skybox]

There are wayyyy too many problems with this...

1. Franz and Paolo already need the ball in their hands. Adding another ball-handler who does most of his work scoring on ball makes no sense. The "3rd option" has to be more off ball or pass first given how having more than 2 ball dominate stars in your lineup is redundant

2. Blazers have 2-3 years to figure out the Guard Situation... They're not in any rush to just give away young players when they just started the rebuild.

3. Simons defense doesn't fit the point of attack defender they want at the guard slots. They want guys who have motor and can hound you defensively. This isn't Simons by any stretch of the imagination.

Simons takes over 4 3s per game as catch and shoots hitting them at a 45% clip. Closest comps among starting guards with similar stats are CJ McCollum and Steph Curry. No reason to believe he couldn't increase those attempts x2 while decreasing on ball time to Franchero.

Defensively, I agree he's not great but I have faith that Mose could turn him into a better defender.

This is my thought as well and why I think Orlando should put together a nice offer for him. Sure, he can make plays if he has the ball in his hands but if he buys into a Ray Allen Celtics type role for us then he might be the best catch and shoot 3 point shooter in the game. And it's a big bonus that if the ball lands in his hands at the end of the shot clock he'll know what to do and have a decent chance at scoring.

That 45% at catch and shoot on high volume would unlock so much for Paolo/Franz and even Suggs in the lane.

Exactly. Great vision of what it could be...I HOPE Houstan continues to knock them down like Duncan Robinson, off the bench, but Simons is on another level offensively. He can spot up with anyone, but he can do a lot lot lot more...more Herro than Duncan.

[Skybox]

Might not be the ideal fit but he ticks many boxes. 33% from 3 isn't too shabby but he takes them

31% this year, 32% career. Not what we need. He is a better Fultz, but we don´t need a better Fultz, we need a different type of player, someone that fits to our core. Pass.

Fans have been brainwashed about 3pt orgy and forgot how math works

As long as you r respected, you can spread the floor, Smart is respected.

Now down to some basic math

Let say

Player A attempts 6 3pts per game at 33%
Player B attempts 6 3pts per game at 37%

Both play 70 games per Year

Player B will make 0.72pts more than player A per game

Yes. 0.72pts

0.72pts

0.72pts

Not even 1pt

They will NOT respect a player who continues to miss...In fact, they will cheer for him to shoot. Like Dillon Brooks. He makes some big ones, but generally speaking - the other team likes their odds.

Basically, you don't get any points if they don't go in...then, you don't get any respect or the floor spreading we both want.

[T-Cat]

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[cedric76]

31% this year, 32% career. Not what we need. He is a better Fultz, but we don´t need a better Fultz, we need a different type of player, someone that fits to our core. Pass.

Fans have been brainwashed about 3pt orgy and forgot how math works

As long as you r respected, you can spread the floor, Smart is respected.

Now down to some basic math

Let say

Player A attempts 6 3pts per game at 33%
Player B attempts 6 3pts per game at 37%

Both play 70 games per Year

Player B will make 0.72pts more than player A per game

Yes. 0.72pts

0.72pts

0.72pts

Not even 1pt

They will NOT respect a player who continues to miss...In fact, they will cheer for him to shoot. Like Dillon Brooks. He makes some big ones, but generally speaking - the other team likes their odds.

Basically, you don't get any points if they don't go in...then, you don't get any respect or the floor spreading we both want.

Yeah, let's ignore the math

Unless you shoot below 30% , team will dare you to shoot

Players like smart will make their 3pts when unguarded

Forget the brainwashing

The difference between 33 % and 37% is tiny

But if you want to argue basic math and facts, go for it, I won't argue

Peace

Ps-dont get me wrong, I m not pushing for a smart trade and I would also would like a guard that has a high 3 pt % next to suggs, ideally a 2 way player

[cedric76]

Read on Twitter

Nice move

[CarraT]

Fans have been brainwashed about 3pt orgy and forgot how math works

As long as you r respected, you can spread the floor, Smart is respected.

Now down to some basic math

Let say

Player A attempts 6 3pts per game at 33%
Player B attempts 6 3pts per game at 37%

Both play 70 games per Year

Player B will make 0.72pts more than player A per game

Yes. 0.72pts

0.72pts

0.72pts

Not even 1pt

They will NOT respect a player who continues to miss...In fact, they will cheer for him to shoot. Like Dillon Brooks. He makes some big ones, but generally speaking - the other team likes their odds.

Basically, you don't get any points if they don't go in...then, you don't get any respect or the floor spreading we both want.

Yeah, let's ignore the math

Unless you shoot below 30% , team will dare you to shoot

Players like smart will make their 3pts when unguarded

Forget the brainwashing

The difference between 33 % and 37% is tiny

But if you want to argue basic math and facts, go for it, I won't argue

Peace

Ps-dont get me wrong, I m not pushing for a smart trade and I would also would like a guard that has a high 3 pt % next to suggs, ideally a 2 way player

You underestimate the effect on spacing of a lead guard who is a below average shooter, while not being an elite playmaker, especially on a team like us with two forwards, who´s biggest strength is driving to the basket.
Basketball is a teamsport, you can´t just look at isolated numbers from single players in different situations. Smart on Celtics was good, because they have Brown and Tatum, both being elite high volume 3p shooters. He fits them. He doesnt fit our core.

[Skybox]

They will NOT respect a player who continues to miss...In fact, they will cheer for him to shoot. Like Dillon Brooks. He makes some big ones, but generally speaking - the other team likes their odds.

Basically, you don't get any points if they don't go in...then, you don't get any respect or the floor spreading we both want.

Yeah, let's ignore the math

Unless you shoot below 30% , team will dare you to shoot

Players like smart will make their 3pts when unguarded

Forget the brainwashing

The difference between 33 % and 37% is tiny

But if you want to argue basic math and facts, go for it, I won't argue

Peace

Ps-dont get me wrong, I m not pushing for a smart trade and I would also would like a guard that has a high 3 pt % next to suggs, ideally a 2 way player

You underestimate the effect on spacing of a lead guard who is a below average shooter, while not being an elite playmaker, especially on a team like us with two forwards, who´s biggest strength is driving to the basket.
Basketball is a teamsport, you can´t just look at isolated numbers from single players in different situations. Smart on Celtics was good, because they have Brown and Tatum, both being elite high volume 3p shooters. He fits them. He doesnt fit our core.

I'd rather put Black back in the starting lineup than chase and pay Smart...but neither would be my choice at this time. Black is going to be very good - you could argue he already is, but he just doesn't bring enough offense (yet?)....why would you actively search for the same effect in an older, more expensive guy who's already shown his ceiling?

[cedric76]

They will NOT respect a player who continues to miss...In fact, they will cheer for him to shoot. Like Dillon Brooks. He makes some big ones, but generally speaking - the other team likes their odds.

Basically, you don't get any points if they don't go in...then, you don't get any respect or the floor spreading we both want.

Yeah, let's ignore the math

Unless you shoot below 30% , team will dare you to shoot

Players like smart will make their 3pts when unguarded

Forget the brainwashing

The difference between 33 % and 37% is tiny

But if you want to argue basic math and facts, go for it, I won't argue

Peace

Ps-dont get me wrong, I m not pushing for a smart trade and I would also would like a guard that has a high 3 pt % next to suggs, ideally a 2 way player

You underestimate the effect on spacing of a lead guard who is a below average shooter, while not being an elite playmaker, especially on a team like us with two forwards, who´s biggest strength is driving to the basket.
Basketball is a teamsport, you can´t just look at isolated numbers from single players in different situations. Smart on Celtics was good, because they have Brown and Tatum, both being elite high volume 3p shooters. He fits them. He doesnt fit our core.

The argument is about 33% vs 37%

[CarraT]

Yeah, let's ignore the math

Unless you shoot below 30% , team will dare you to shoot

Players like smart will make their 3pts when unguarded

Forget the brainwashing

The difference between 33 % and 37% is tiny

But if you want to argue basic math and facts, go for it, I won't argue

Peace

Ps-dont get me wrong, I m not pushing for a smart trade and I would also would like a guard that has a high 3 pt % next to suggs, ideally a 2 way player

You underestimate the effect on spacing of a lead guard who is a below average shooter, while not being an elite playmaker, especially on a team like us with two forwards, who´s biggest strength is driving to the basket.
Basketball is a teamsport, you can´t just look at isolated numbers from single players in different situations. Smart on Celtics was good, because they have Brown and Tatum, both being elite high volume 3p shooters. He fits them. He doesnt fit our core.

The argument is about 33% vs 37%

The argument is if trading for a new pg, why not for someone who fits to our core and brings something to table that we dont have, instead of getting a slightly better Fultz/older AB. We already have TWO of these kind of PG. Both shown they are not a good fit. Why trading for a third one? We can do better.
And yes. Having a PG who can shoot 37% while being CONTESTED, therefore adding spacing, is way better than someone shooting 33% (which smart is not, hes shooting 31%) while being totally unguarded at the 3point line, therefore destroying spacing for our two franchise players, who love to drive to the basket, therefore need more spacing, not less.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Trade bait for salary or he gets cut after this year. Its a Win Win

[cedric76]

You underestimate the effect on spacing of a lead guard who is a below average shooter, while not being an elite playmaker, especially on a team like us with two forwards, who´s biggest strength is driving to the basket.
Basketball is a teamsport, you can´t just look at isolated numbers from single players in different situations. Smart on Celtics was good, because they have Brown and Tatum, both being elite high volume 3p shooters. He fits them. He doesnt fit our core.

The argument is about 33% vs 37%

The argument is if trading for a new pg, why not for someone who fits to our core and brings something to table that we dont have, instead of getting a slightly better Fultz/older AB. We already have TWO of these kind of PG. Both shown they are not a good fit. Why trading for a third one? We can do better.
And yes. Having a PG who can shoot 37% while being CONTESTED, therefore adding spacing, is way better than someone shooting 33% (which smart is not, hes shooting 31%) while being totally unguarded at the 3point line, therefore destroying spacing for our two franchise players, who love to drive to the basket, therefore need more spacing, not less.

Keep moving the goal post:-)

[Ducklett]

I wouldn't be upset if we brought in Simons but his defense is Harden like.

[basketballRob]

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=suggsja01&p1yrfrom=2024&p1yrto=2024&player_id2=simonan01&p2yrfrom=2022&p2yrto=2022

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[basketballRob]

Suggs is better than Simons at the same age.

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[CarraT]

The argument is about 33% vs 37%

The argument is if trading for a new pg, why not for someone who fits to our core and brings something to table that we dont have, instead of getting a slightly better Fultz/older AB. We already have TWO of these kind of PG. Both shown they are not a good fit. Why trading for a third one? We can do better.
And yes. Having a PG who can shoot 37% while being CONTESTED, therefore adding spacing, is way better than someone shooting 33% (which smart is not, hes shooting 31%) while being totally unguarded at the 3point line, therefore destroying spacing for our two franchise players, who love to drive to the basket, therefore need more spacing, not less.

Keep moving the goal post:-)

Its not. You just dont understand the real difference between 31% on unguarded 3p and 37% on heavily contested 3p on a basketball court. Its more than just math.