Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Curmudgeon]

The problem with Gallo is that he is even more fragile than Hayward.

[Justin33]

Burks always looked like a player but he can never stay healthy enough gain real momentum. He knows how to come off the bench so that shouldn't be an issue. Very intriguing

[Bill Lumbergh]

The problem with Gallo is that he is even more fragile than Hayward.

Well, as my granny might have said, that'd be a 'pretty close tie'. Hayward's pretty brittle his own self.

[Steal by Bird]

What's in it for OKC, Cavs, or Pistons? Why would they trade for Hayward, who may or may not have a lingering foot issue and has a player option this offseason?

Yep not many good matches for Hayward considering his contract. Indiana could be an option, since they're a good playoff team. However, Boston will need to throw in more for Turner, since Hayward can opt out at the end of the season.

Myles Turner seems like a better fit than Drummond. He's just 23 and locked into a reasonable deal for 3 more year after this season. Also, he can space the floor on offense

So throw in a pick(s). What is the freaking tightwad going to do with all these picks. How many future possible rotation players can they possibly accommodate?

[Bill Lumbergh]

Burks would help if you could get him for dirt cheap, as in Edwards and a 2nd.

I'd like to somehow get Bogdanovic from Sac (salary ~ 8.5M). I'm a-okay throwing in Edwards in any trade. I consider his contract dead money, and unfortunately, he's on the books for 2 more years after this. We would not have to get rid of any core players to get Bogdanovic, and he'd be a big upgrade for our bench. We could cobble together guys we never use, and maybe the Milw pick. I have no idea what Sac is doing or what direction they're going. They are already very young, and it's been forever since they've had a winner, so they may have no interest in yet more young guys and a pick.

[31to6]

FWIW Hayward is averaging 4apg this year, 3.4 for his career, and a 19% assist % for his career.
Gallo is 2.0apg for his career and 10% assist %, which are both identical to Jayson Tatum's career averages and around what Jaylen Brown is doing this year (up from his 8% average coming into this year).

For further comparison The Kelly Olynyk sports a 13% career assist %, and Serge Ibaka 4.1%. #themoreyouknow

[100proof]

Edwards and poirier to nyk.
Knicks get some youth that are low cost assets to add into deals.

Boston pick to gsw
Warriors shed salary

Jakob evans, brad wannamaker and bucks pick to lakers.
Get a bench pg playmaker and some wing depth

Boston gets kuzma, burks,frank ntilikina
Solid all around depth.

Kemba/frank/waters
Brown/smart/langford
Hayward/burks/semi
Tatum/kuzma/grant
Theis/kanter/williams

Depth and breakout potentials

[Dannyboy36]

Burks would help if you could get him for dirt cheap, as in Edwards and a 2nd.

I'd like to somehow get Bogdanovic from Sac (salary ~ 8.5M). I'm a-okay throwing in Edwards in any trade. I consider his contract dead money, and unfortunately, he's on the books for 2 more years after this. We would not have to get rid of any core players to get Bogdanovic, and he'd be a big upgrade for our bench. We could cobble together guys we never use, and maybe the Milw pick. I have no idea what Sac is doing or what direction they're going. They are already very young, and it's been forever since they've had a winner, so they may have no interest in yet more young guys and a pick.

I’m not good with the math. Would we have a chance at resigning him? I really love Bogdavonich’d game. He has a very slow halfcourt lull you too sleep side and the darts on cuts and uses really great bursts of speed. He can play spots at point , starting a break himself and make smart reads. I would seriously be over the moon to have this guy on the Celts this year. I really think it can help. He would just add to the overall intelligence of this team and a guy like him will always help ball movement. Really unselfish and makes those hockey passes. I’m a huge fan . There are more talented players FOR SURE. But if the Celts could snag him and we’re going with
Hayward/ Tatum/Theis/Kemba/Brown
Smart/ Bobo, Kanter. That’s a really solid reliable guys.

[snowman]

I couldn't get that trade to work on the checker, until I added Semi to GSW. I would do that in a heartbeat.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Burks would help if you could get him for dirt cheap, as in Edwards and a 2nd.

I'd like to somehow get Bogdanovic from Sac (salary ~ 8.5M). I'm a-okay throwing in Edwards in any trade. I consider his contract dead money, and unfortunately, he's on the books for 2 more years after this. We would not have to get rid of any core players to get Bogdanovic, and he'd be a big upgrade for our bench. We could cobble together guys we never use, and maybe the Milw pick. I have no idea what Sac is doing or what direction they're going. They are already very young, and it's been forever since they've had a winner, so they may have no interest in yet more young guys and a pick.

I’m not good with the math. Would we have a chance at resigning him? I really love Bogdavonich’d game. He has a very slow halfcourt lull you too sleep side and the darts on cuts and uses really great bursts of speed. He can play spots at point , starting a break himself and make smart reads. I would seriously be over the moon to have this guy on the Celts this year. I really think it can help. He would just add to the overall intelligence of this team and a guy like him will always help ball movement. Really unselfish and makes those hockey passes. I’m a huge fan . There are more talented players FOR SURE. But if the Celts could snag him and we’re going with
Hayward/ Tatum/Theis/Kemba/Brown
Smart/ Bobo, Kanter. That’s a really solid reliable guys.

Yeah, it'd be great. No idea if Sac has his restricted rights or if he'd be a free agent. If restricted, then good. If unrestricted, all we could offer is MLE. He'd do wonders for our second unit, though. Probably a pipe dream, to be honest. I have the impression that Sac wants to get off the perpetually rebuilding treadmill, and more youth and picks is more rebuilding, and Vlade probably likes having fellow Serbs around (Not even kidding. It's probably nice for him to be able to speak in his own language). He has two of them on his squad. They were surprisingly competitive last year, and I think most people thought they'd be more competitive this year. Fox has missed 18 games, though, and Bagley's missed 30, so that didn't help their cause. But even as crappy as their record is (15-24), they're still, amazingly, only 2.5 games out of 8th. Ya never know, though. Just my personal wish, that probably won't happen.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Gallo is a fantastic scorer and he’s actually better than Hayward at getting to the line. But I don’t understand your definition of “facilitator”- he spaces the floor? He’s not as versatile a scorer as Hayward and he doesn’t have anything like the same offensive awareness.

What’s not to get?

He’s a good passer, runs the pick-and-roll well, hit threes at a decent clip and opens up lanes for others to drive by stepping out of the paint. That’s the definition of a facilitator. That’s Hayward’s game as well.

We are are well aware he’s not as good as player as Hayward. But the point isn’t to trade for another Hayward, it’s to use his money to acquire a legit Center and use spare parts to get a player who’s a poor man’s Hayward who can do a good enough impression and improve our scoring off the bench.

You just repeated your definition.. it’s just semantics, not worth getting bogged down - he stretches the floor, he’s a decent passer, he can run the pick and roll, got it.

[Banks2Pierce]

I think people have gotten the wrong idea about our rebuild stage after our 25-8 start. this was fool's gold, we are not a contender right now, plain and simple. and the thing is, that was never the plan. this was not meant to be our year, it was in the next 2-4 years that we are intended to be contending.

we need either jaylen or tatum to develop into a bona fide mvp candidate, or else we need to package them to get one. both of them are still very young, and they've both shown tantalizing hints, so it's not a crazy to hopefully hit on one of those. we've got a ridiculous number of young players, we've got to see which ones are going to be genuine contributors, which ones we can trade for an upgrade, and which ones are duds. then we need to consolidate around tatum/brown/kemba (as the vet 3rd wheel), and put the right pieces around them like a proper big man.

it's all coming. the plan is in action. but it's a couple of years away.

Dead on

This is why I want to start having Kemba discussions. I liked signing him and still back it. He can fit the win-now timeline if someone comes available this summer. The Js continue to be in a winning environment and you can continue to bring them along in what their natural roles will be in their primes.

Think it's looking more likely that Tatum knocks on the top 10 door in his 20s. Maybe as soon as next season, but not this. Kemba being on a 3+1(player option) deal is going to look fine until the next trade deadline and then starts to look a bit like a time bomb considering his age and height from a getting value back perspective. He'll still be good, but will definitely be making #2 or #3 money and I don't know if 32 year old Kemba can be that. We've already seen him tested on offense and defense against our rivals and it's shown his limitations at the top tier. I don't think his Charlotte games against Philly(for instance) are comparable because those aren't taken as seriously.

But like IT, you'd need to find a unique landing spot due to the nature of how this position is filled in the league. Likely makes more sense to do it at a future date considering the trade landscape and our team, but I think it's interesting to ponder shock moves now as I'd be doing the same in their spot.

[Celts17Pride]

Reminder: Celtics with the 3rd best record in the NBA on pace for getting 58-59 wins with one of the youngest teams in the NBA

[Banks2Pierce]

Reminder: Celtics with the 3rd best record in the NBA on pace for getting 58-59 wins with one of the youngest teams in the NBA

You have 17 in your name and not 58-59, though...

[Dannyboy36]

I think people have gotten the wrong idea about our rebuild stage after our 25-8 start. this was fool's gold, we are not a contender right now, plain and simple. and the thing is, that was never the plan. this was not meant to be our year, it was in the next 2-4 years that we are intended to be contending.

we need either jaylen or tatum to develop into a bona fide mvp candidate, or else we need to package them to get one. both of them are still very young, and they've both shown tantalizing hints, so it's not a crazy to hopefully hit on one of those. we've got a ridiculous number of young players, we've got to see which ones are going to be genuine contributors, which ones we can trade for an upgrade, and which ones are duds. then we need to consolidate around tatum/brown/kemba (as the vet 3rd wheel), and put the right pieces around them like a proper big man.

it's all coming. the plan is in action. but it's a couple of years away.

Dead on

This is why I want to start having Kemba discussions. I liked signing him and still back it. He can fit the win-now timeline if someone comes available this summer. The Js continue to be in a winning environment and you can continue to bring them along in what their natural roles will be in their primes.

Think it's looking more likely that Tatum knocks on the top 10 door in his 20s. Maybe as soon as next season, but not this. Kemba being on a 3+1(player option) deal is going to look fine until the next trade deadline and then starts to look a bit like a time bomb considering his age and height from a getting value back perspective. He'll still be good, but will definitely be making #2 or #3 money and I don't know if 32 year old Kemba can be that. We've already seen him tested on offense and defense against our rivals and it's shown his limitations at the top tier. I don't think his Charlotte games against Philly(for instance) are comparable because those aren't taken as seriously.

But like IT, you'd need to find a unique landing spot due to the nature of how this position is filled in the league. Likely makes more sense to do it at a future date considering the trade landscape and our team, but I think it's interesting to ponder shock moves now as I'd be doing the same in their spot.

I hear what you’re saying. I’m sure Danny has this in the back of his mind. Hopefully nothing this year just because Tatum and Brown are not good at creating. I think Tatum already has bad habits and just is t good at creating offense. I’d be afraid he’d go more and more towards the Carmelo style mold of player if he isn’t checked. I think the Jays keep improving but just a long ways to go. I don’t share your top 10 optimism but nobody was talking about Kawhai Leonard as a top 10 once upon a time either.

[klemen4]

Can not believe teams are offering only expiring contracts for Drummond. Ok he can become FA in summer, but still.
Can not have 3 wings on bear max contracts +kemba...Hayward should be traded in a 3 ways that lands Drummond in Boston.

[Darth Celtic]

Can not believe teams are offering only expiring contracts for Drummond. Ok he can become FA in summer, but still.
Can not have 3 wings on bear max contracts +kemba...Hayward should be traded in a 3 ways that lands Drummond in Boston.

Because he's Enis Kanter and wants a max contract instead of 5m. No trades for Drummond. I'd take him for like 9m a year MLE in the offseason.

[BigTrade92]

that doesn't say what you think it does

It literally says exactly what I think it says, right there in black and white.

You were wrong, it’s okay.

Doc said he was the best facilitator on the team. The roster didn't have a PG. Gallo was the best option, doesn't mean he is good.

You were wrong

Not what it says whatsoever. Reading comprehension surely is a problem for you, huh?

And the team certainly had PGs in Beverly and SGA, so just more nonsense from you...

Again, you were completely wrong. Trying to move the goal posts to fit your narrative doesn’t change a thing, but it’s hilarious watching you try to dig yourself out of the hole you created.

[BigTrade92]

I have seen Gallinari play a bunch. I disagree that he’s a facilitator.

Then you should open your eyes more or seek out an optometrist for glasses.

Because clearly you haven’t watched his career then.

He's not the facilitator Hayward is. Hay can run point for a minute, Gallo not so much. Gallo has good passing skills but he's more of a opportunistic passer. Hay can run an offense and make plays.

Literally no one is saying he’s the same player or even at Hayward’s level. I’ve said this several times.

You’re not trading Hayward to get a “better Hayward”. You’re trading Hayward to acquire a Center and you’d look at a guy like Gallo or Bertans to try and fill as much of the void as possible. This has been repeated for the last five pages.

[BigTrade92]

Gallo is a fantastic scorer and he’s actually better than Hayward at getting to the line. But I don’t understand your definition of “facilitator”- he spaces the floor? He’s not as versatile a scorer as Hayward and he doesn’t have anything like the same offensive awareness.

What’s not to get?

He’s a good passer, runs the pick-and-roll well, hit threes at a decent clip and opens up lanes for others to drive by stepping out of the paint. That’s the definition of a facilitator. That’s Hayward’s game as well.

We are are well aware he’s not as good as player as Hayward. But the point isn’t to trade for another Hayward, it’s to use his money to acquire a legit Center and use spare parts to get a player who’s a poor man’s Hayward who can do a good enough impression and improve our scoring off the bench.

You just repeated your definition.. it’s just semantics, not worth getting bogged down - he stretches the floor, he’s a decent passer, he can run the pick and roll, got it.

Come on man, you asked for my definition of facilitator, after you already read my definition, then got mad when I repeated the same thing to you that you seemingly already knew. So why bother asking?