Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Note30]

Okay how out of touch with reality am I with this trade(s)?

KAT + Beasley + Culver and Rubio
For
Ball, Bledsoe, Reddick, Adams
and 5 picks and 5 pick swaps FRP
Plus 4 second-round picks

Dlo
For
Hield and 1 FRP pick + 1 2nd round

Ending lineup with 11 picks and 5 picks swaps on the way

Ball Bledsoe
Hield Reddick
Edwards Okogie
Vanderbilt McDaniels
Adams Reid

[Jedzz]

Yes is my opinion. And i think is a common opinion around the league as well. From fans, analytics to the his 3 previous teams. Which in one of those teams he was used as a salary relief.

What is that Common opinion? That he's not James Harden? That he's not Kyrie? What?

Every one of these lauded characters across the league have severe drawbacks themselves which you have to build a team around them correctly to mitigate. As already said, We can't attract a single one of these players here but if we could, they would have the exact same problems here until the team stops playing games with this roster every season and gets serious about winning.

So let's have it your way. I've suggested this to others. Trade Dlo. Now go find us the next iteration of your grand plan to turn this into a winning team. Is that Edwards/Culver? See you in 2025 if they are even around here then to see who they really become.

[Note30]

Yes is my opinion. And i think is a common opinion around the league as well. From fans, analytics to the his 3 previous teams. Which in one of those teams he was used as a salary relief.

What is that Common opinion? That he's not James Harden? That he's not Kyrie? What?

Every one of these lauded characters across the league have severe drawbacks themselves which you have to build a team around them correctly to mitigate. As already said, We can't attract a single one of these players here but if we could, they would have the exact same problems here until the team stops playing games with this roster every season and gets serious about winning.

So let's have it your way. I've suggested this to others. Trade Dlo. Now go find us the next iteration of your grand plan to turn this into a winning team. Is that Edwards/Culver? See you in 2025 if they are even around here then to see who they really become.

Harden is a prolific scorer - but he's hasn't won ****. I sincerely doubt he will either, his game is detrimental to every combo of players he's ever played with.

Kyrie great 2nd option. Not a first option for sure.

Name a team with defensive liabilities as big as Harden that won a championship in the last 10 years. The only one I can think of is Dirk's Mavs. And that was a different game and time.

DLo isn't as good of scorer as either of those players, and doesn't have any advantages that makes him better. Could he develop into something better? He's almost 6 years in, his development is pretty much at its end.

If he isn't even as good as those players as a 1 or 2 option what makes him championship material?

[shrink]

He's not a PG you can win with tho. There's no proof of that. He's been on 1 winning team and just barely so. He wasn't even the best player on that Nets squad that went 42-40 in the east. Harris, Allen, and Dinwiddie all had more impact on the floor than he did.

He's been on 4 teams in 5 years.

His lone year in the playoffs he shot sub .360 percent.

Yes he average 20+ points, but he's the biggest defensive liability on the floor at all times and consistently.

He consistently has made bone-headed plays on drives and is arguably the most inefficient out of the three main scorers we have.

This is how I see it too. Even in his Nets year, the team wanted to go with two other guys in front of him (LeVert and Dinwiddie), and only injuries forced them to make a team that featured him.

Being able to put up 50 once in his life is not an accomplishment - ask Mo Williams and Corey Brewer. That’s a fanboy analytic. Being able to CONSISTENTLY put up an efficient 22 while making your teammates better and defending is what we should want from a max deal “star.”

He would have to be a much improved player than what we have seen so far to be a star player. I am not optimistic that he can do so, with his lack of athleticism, and his lack of effort on defense.

The evidence we have seen, which Note lists, is not encouraging.

[Dewey]

He's not a PG you can win with tho. There's no proof of that. He's been on 1 winning team and just barely so. He wasn't even the best player on that Nets squad that went 42-40 in the east. Harris, Allen, and Dinwiddie all had more impact on the floor than he did.

He's been on 4 teams in 5 years.

His lone year in the playoffs he shot sub .360 percent.

Yes he average 20+ points, but he's the biggest defensive liability on the floor at all times and consistently.

He consistently has made bone-headed plays on drives and is arguably the most inefficient out of the three main scorers we have.

This is how I see it too. Even in his Nets year, the team wanted to go with two other guys in front of him (LeVert and Dinwiddie), and only injuries forced them to make a team that featured him.

Being able to put up 50 once in his life is not an accomplishment - ask Mo Williams and Corey Brewer. That’s a fanboy analytic. Being able to CONSISTENTLY put up an efficient 22 while making your teammates better and defending is what we should want from a max deal “star.”

He would have to be a much improved player than what we have seen so far to be a star player. I am not optimistic that he can do so, with his lack of athleticism, and his lack of effort on defense.

The evidence we have seen, which Note lists, is not encouraging.

If it werent for KAT and the max deal, McL might very well be playing ahead of DLo...

When we acquired DLo, I fell for the idea he'd "round up his game" with KAT. Now, I'm not even certain KAT is overly excited to have him here after watching games "first hand from the stand". We'll see. We just need KAT back on the floor for a 10 game stretch to have chance of evaluating who fits and who don't. It's hard to replace that 25/10/5 ...

[shrink]

I thought I’d bring over a few trades from the trade board

To Minnesota
-Dennis Smith Jr (1 year, $5.7 million)
-2021 Dallas 1st

To New York
-Jarrett Culver (2 years, $12.5 million plus T.O.)

[shrink]

Rubio for Dennis Smith Jr, 2021 CHA 2nd, $11.3 mil TPE

[shrink]

DeAngelo Russell for Otto Porter Jr, Randall or Marcus Morris + Lou Williams?

[IceManBK1]

Beasley+Culver+Layman for Otto Porter JR and Chris Dunn
Rubio+2nd for Aaron Gordon

DLo
Edwards
Otto Porter Jr
Gordon
Towns

[IceManBK1]

Cavs shopping Drummonds
Wouldn't mind Rubio or Beasley plus filler for Drummonds and Prince

Dlo
Edwards
Prince
Towns
Drummonds

[Jedzz]

He's not a PG you can win with tho. There's no proof of that. He's been on 1 winning team and just barely so. He wasn't even the best player on that Nets squad that went 42-40 in the east. Harris, Allen, and Dinwiddie all had more impact on the floor than he did.

He's been on 4 teams in 5 years.

His lone year in the playoffs he shot sub .360 percent.

Yes he average 20+ points, but he's the biggest defensive liability on the floor at all times and consistently.

He consistently has made bone-headed plays on drives and is arguably the most inefficient out of the three main scorers we have.

This is how I see it too. Even in his Nets year, the team wanted to go with two other guys in front of him (LeVert and Dinwiddie), and only injuries forced them to make a team that featured him.

Being able to put up 50 once in his life is not an accomplishment - ask Mo Williams and Corey Brewer. That’s a fanboy analytic. Being able to CONSISTENTLY put up an efficient 22 while making your teammates better and defending is what we should want from a max deal “star.”

He would have to be a much improved player than what we have seen so far to be a star player. I am not optimistic that he can do so, with his lack of athleticism, and his lack of effort on defense.

The evidence we have seen, which Note lists, is not encouraging.

Go ahead, sign up all the efficient 22 per game players lining up waiting to play here.

You didn't want Beasley.
You don't want Dlo.
Without Dlo, you are asking for no Towns.

So go ahead guys, tell us all the great efficient 22pts/g players you've got lined up. Are you hoping for the next 5 drafts to finally solve this?

[Merc_Porto]

I like the idea of trading for Otto Porter or Jerami Grant. They both can play the power forward position. Both can shoot and defend pretty well. Porter is a huge expiring thought.

For Grant we would need to add Edwards or Culver with the season he's having.
Both this guys would help our power forward situation and Chicago and Detroit need a Point guard badly. Not badly for Detroit because they are pretty much tanking.

i'd say something around Rubio in both cases....

[Merc_Porto]

And we also should pay attention to the situation in New Orleans. They are shopping Lonzo and JJ.
Not that we need any of these guys but we always can be a 3rd team to get a PF.

And Chicago makes a lot of sense... Lonzo, JJ, Rubio, Otto, Markkanen - something around those guys.

[IceManBK1]

And we also should pay attention to the situation in New Orleans. They are shopping Lonzo and JJ.
Not that we need any of these guys but we always can be a 3rd team to get a PF.

And Chicago makes a lot of sense... Lonzo, JJ, Rubio, Otto, Markkanen - something around those guys.

I was hoping wolves could trade down with bulls for both otto and markkanen. Maybe they'll be interesting in adding Beasley and using him as a 6th man.

[Jedzz]

I thought I’d bring over a few trades from the trade board

To Minnesota
-Dennis Smith Jr (1 year, $5.7 million)
-2021 Dallas 1st

To New York
-Jarrett Culver (2 years, $12.5 million plus T.O.)

Go ahead and do this. people can have a 2021 pick to enjoy themselves with again.

Otherwise though I don't know why DSJ has to be in so many trade thoughts there. Why him?

[Jedzz]

And we also should pay attention to the situation in New Orleans. They are shopping Lonzo and JJ.
Not that we need any of these guys but we always can be a 3rd team to get a PF.

And Chicago makes a lot of sense... Lonzo, JJ, Rubio, Otto, Markkanen - something around those guys.

I was hoping wolves could trade down with bulls for both otto and markkanen. Maybe they'll be interesting in adding Beasley and using him as a 6th man.

you guys and your 6th man talk. Will forever suggest one of our best players be 6th man, I think, because you simply want to for once have enough talent to say this team has a good 6th man or something. Maybe in teh future after they ever get near 5 starters better than him.

Right now, he just had a 55/44/100 game for 30pts on 18 FG shots and only 6FT. I'm not sure when it was but the team basicly went away from him in the end so maybe the final 5 to 7 minutes or so had one shot from him. And why? I'm not sure. Maybe because they had given up already and they planned on getting other players time off the deep bench. Or Maybe because just like all season we've seen this clueless set of coaches constantly trying to get others going. Coaches almost as clueless as some here constantly posting how little they think of him. At least they've kept him starting. A player capable of those numbers on this team, the Timberwolves, and I have to constantly read how people think he's a sixth man. What a joke. Trade all the good ones. These fans don't deserve them.

[Norseman79]

And we also should pay attention to the situation in New Orleans. They are shopping Lonzo and JJ.
Not that we need any of these guys but we always can be a 3rd team to get a PF.

And Chicago makes a lot of sense... Lonzo, JJ, Rubio, Otto, Markkanen - something around those guys.

I was hoping wolves could trade down with bulls for both otto and markkanen. Maybe they'll be interesting in adding Beasley and using him as a 6th man.

you guys and your 6th man talk. Will forever suggest one of our best players be 6th man, I think, because you simply want to for once have enough talent to say this team has a good 6th man or something. Maybe in teh future after they ever get near 5 starters better than him.

Right now, he just had a 55/44/100 game for 30pts on 18 FG shots and only 6FT. I'm not sure when it was but the team basicly went away from him in the end so maybe the final 5 to 7 minutes or so had one shot from him. And why? I'm not sure. Maybe because they had given up already and they planned on getting other players time off the deep bench. Or Maybe because just like all season we've seen this clueless set of coaches constantly trying to get others going. Coaches almost as clueless as some here constantly posting how little they think of him. At least they've kept him starting. A player capable of those numbers on this team, the Timberwolves, and I have to constantly read how people think he's a sixth man. What a joke. Trade all the good ones. These fans don't deserve them.

I have been one to say I think Beasley's best role would be a 6th man, aka lou williams. Now, Beas played his ass off last night and I respect his typical effort. Given our current roster and such, there is no choice but to start Beasley unless you are legit tanking. Edwards hasn't been consistent enough not aggressive enough to earn starting yet. And Beasley hasn't played poor enough to lose it.

On a side note, man do you deserve props for your JMac takes. I like him, love his hustle, but thought we needed a bigger defensive pg - Kris Dunn as example. Nope, I am struggling to not say start him.

My trade block is set up like this right now..

1. Juancho
2. Layman
3. DLo
4. Rubio
5. Okoge
6. Towns (not until after draft lotto).

[packforfreedom]

Yes is my opinion. And i think is a common opinion around the league as well. From fans, analytics to the his 3 previous teams. Which in one of those teams he was used as a salary relief.

What is that Common opinion? That he's not James Harden? That he's not Kyrie? What?

Every one of these lauded characters across the league have severe drawbacks themselves which you have to build a team around them correctly to mitigate. As already said, We can't attract a single one of these players here but if we could, they would have the exact same problems here until the team stops playing games with this roster every season and gets serious about winning.

So let's have it your way. I've suggested this to others. Trade Dlo. Now go find us the next iteration of your grand plan to turn this into a winning team. Is that Edwards/Culver? See you in 2025 if they are even around here then to see who they really become.

Harden is a prolific scorer - but he's hasn't won ****. I sincerely doubt he will either, his game is detrimental to every combo of players he's ever played with.

Kyrie great 2nd option. Not a first option for sure.

Name a team with defensive liabilities as big as Harden that won a championship in the last 10 years. The only one I can think of is Dirk's Mavs. And that was a different game and time.

DLo isn't as good of scorer as either of those players, and doesn't have any advantages that makes him better. Could he develop into something better? He's almost 6 years in, his development is pretty much at its end.

If he isn't even as good as those players as a 1 or 2 option what makes him championship material?

I think Hardens defense has become over dramatized lately. I don't think he's a worse defender than for example Curry or late Kobe, who both won championships.

[Jedzz]

When we acquired DLo, I fell for the idea he'd "round up his game" with KAT. Now, I'm not even certain KAT is overly excited to have him here after watching games "first hand from the stand". We'll see. We just need KAT back on the floor for a 10 game stretch to have chance of evaluating who fits and who don't. It's hard to replace that 25/10/5 ...

That's the thing. KAT hasn't been playing. There was rhyme and reason to these moves. But KAT isn't playing. If the team would have at least stuck to their original plans in the slightest way while KAT has been out things would appear differently. They've done what they always do instead. They've also drafted like they always do instead. They didn't draft for the plan they were telling us all this time. They didn't draft or run FA based on all their prior decisions which included Dlo/Beasley or with anyone in their current roster grasp in mind. I can't imagine a single day inside that organization as a place where a singular goal is known and even slightly agreed to by all involved. They don't internally, and so the fans don't see it or follow it either.

Steph Curry would be cried about all day here calling his own number so often, being a weakness on defense, "scrawny", holy hell all that together with his snarky attitude and facial expresssions he would have an army of people against him here. Imagine Steph Curry here with a bunch of scrubs "developing", multiple in starters roles that have no head for it yet. Cherry on top the POBO signs Rubio and drafts Edwards to somehow play with Steph. Imagine that playing out.

[Dewey]

When we acquired DLo, I fell for the idea he'd "round up his game" with KAT. Now, I'm not even certain KAT is overly excited to have him here after watching games "first hand from the stand". We'll see. We just need KAT back on the floor for a 10 game stretch to have chance of evaluating who fits and who don't. It's hard to replace that 25/10/5 ...

That's the thing. KAT hasn't been playing. There was rhyme and reason to these moves. But KAT isn't playing. If the team would have at least stuck to their original plans in the slightest way while KAT has been out things would appear differently. They've done what they always do instead. They've also drafted like they always do instead. They didn't draft for the plan they were telling us all this time. They didn't draft or run FA based on all their prior decisions which included Dlo/Beasley or with anyone in their current roster grasp in mind. I can't imagine a single day inside that organization as a place where a singular goal is known and even slightly agreed to by all involved. They don't internally, and so the fans don't see it or follow it either.

Steph Curry would be cried about all day here calling his own number so often, being a weakness on defense, "scrawny", holy hell all that together with his snarky attitude and facial expresssions he would have an army of people against him here. Imagine Steph Curry here with a bunch of scrubs "developing", multiple in starters roles that have no head for it yet. Cherry on top the POBO signs Rubio and drafts Edwards to somehow play with Steph. Imagine that playing out.

Agree ... Steph without Thompson has been a struggle for GS and they are a well-established championship caliber franchise, so I can cut some slack. Short-term I just need the gritty effort, especially, if we can get Ant/McD/JV/Reid sold on that intensity as how they are expected to play. Rubio/Okogie/Culver/McL for example are pretty good with taking pride in their effort, so if we add 4 more of these young fella's, we can only hope that will pay dividends up the road. Just need to win a few to keep the spirit alive. Tonight would be an awesome win and then the Kitten back Friday...