Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[cavsfanatic]

I'm not going to disregard his track record simply because I'm not a fan of what he is currently reporting.

Sir,

I'm gonna have to ask you to step outside this thread. This thread is for creating our own narratives and only giving credibility to sources who agree with us. If you cannot follow this simple policy, you need to refrain from posting further.

Oh I can create some narratives.

Kings: Vivek Ranadive is tired of losing and the Kings being the forgotten stepchild of the three California powerhouse franchises. He is desperate to bring some excitement and star power to the franchise. NBA trades are all about leverage - everything is irrelevant. And since Vivek has handed the Sixers all the leverage, I'm expecting that no price is too much.

Blazers: GM is on the hot seat. We know it. He knows it. Stotts was fired and he's the obvious next to go. If Dame demands out then it's all over for him. Simmons is the only move left on the chessboard for his continued employment. He's not going to care about trading picks that he'll otherwise never be around to make. He'll hand the Sixers a menu of everything the team owns other than Dame and tell Morey to go shopping like its Supermarket Sweep.

Cavs: Dan Gilbert is desperate to get out of Lebron's shadow and make the Cavs non-Lebron relevant for the first time since Mark Price was showing a little too much leg for anyone's comfort. He's issued an edict to start winning and to start winning now. My guess is the trade has been agreed upon and all that is left is for the Sixers to choose between Garland and Sexton as the final piece in the Okoro, filler and all available picks package.

Spurs: Pop has been effusive in his praise for Simmons and he's not sticking around to wait for these young kids to learn the game. Pop has limited time left coaching and he's not wasting it on guys too young to have a drink. White/Vassell/all 1sts offer incoming.

Wolves: Already on borrowed time with KAT and new ownership always wants to make a splash. Actually, forget it. Wolves don't have the assets.

Good call on Gilbert and I agree, however Garland wont be leaving Cleveland,,it will be Sexton,,plus.
I don't know if its true or not but Simmons wants to play with Garland.

[jbk1234]

Sir,

I'm gonna have to ask you to step outside this thread. This thread is for creating our own narratives and only giving credibility to sources who agree with us. If you cannot follow this simple policy, you need to refrain from posting further.

Oh I can create some narratives.

Kings: Vivek Ranadive is tired of losing and the Kings being the forgotten stepchild of the three California powerhouse franchises. He is desperate to bring some excitement and star power to the franchise. NBA trades are all about leverage - everything is irrelevant. And since Vivek has handed the Sixers all the leverage, I'm expecting that no price is too much.

Blazers: GM is on the hot seat. We know it. He knows it. Stotts was fired and he's the obvious next to go. If Dame demands out then it's all over for him. Simmons is the only move left on the chessboard for his continued employment. He's not going to care about trading picks that he'll otherwise never be around to make. He'll hand the Sixers a menu of everything the team owns other than Dame and tell Morey to go shopping like its Supermarket Sweep.

Cavs: Dan Gilbert is desperate to get out of Lebron's shadow and make the Cavs non-Lebron relevant for the first time since Mark Price was showing a little too much leg for anyone's comfort. He's issued an edict to start winning and to start winning now. My guess is the trade has been agreed upon and all that is left is for the Sixers to choose between Garland and Sexton as the final piece in the Okoro, filler and all available picks package.

Spurs: Pop has been effusive in his praise for Simmons and he's not sticking around to wait for these young kids to learn the game. Pop has limited time left coaching and he's not wasting it on guys too young to have a drink. White/Vassell/all 1sts offer incoming.

Wolves: Already on borrowed time with KAT and new ownership always wants to make a splash. Actually, forget it. Wolves don't have the assets.

Good call on Gilbert and I agree, however Garland wont be leaving Cleveland,,it will be Sexton,,plus.
I don't know if its true or not but Simmons wants to play with Garland.

If winning now is the goal, and the selection of Mobley makes me think that there's at least some flex there, hopefully Kobe Altman is having a conversation as to how many more wins Simmons is going to add given how they're currently constructed before they make an offer.

If you assume that Sexton, Rubio, and Cedi are the players headed out, then that's 24 points from one of three guys on the roster who can reliably hit a three pointer and a really good backup PG. So your primary issue offensively just got worse. You make a huge jump on the defensive end, but you're going to need one of Okoro or Windler to make a huge leap to be a .500 team. You're just not going to be able to score enough. See, e.g., the Raptors.

If you're trading for Simmons, I think you have a new core of Garland, Simmons, and Mobley (who you hope can play away from the basket as a starting center two years from now). Maybe Lauri is in there as the 4. But you're probably going to have to deal Allen and/or Okoro plus picks for the right two guard when the time comes. But I'm very skeptical that time will be this season, or even next season.

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[babyjax13]

Cavaliers trade: Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, Isaac Okoro, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Cavaliers receive: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Get Simmons and dump Love without moving an unreasonably high first, seems like a dream scenario for them.

Houston trades: Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin
Houston receives: Kevin Love, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Move two bad contracts for one worse contract and a bunch of picks.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Philadelphia receives: Colin Sexton, Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin, Kenrich Williams, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Move Simmons for Sexton and tons of depth. Gordon (this season and next) and Augustin (this season, 333k next) are bad contracts but decent players. The Cleveland pick should have reasonable value to package in a trade for another rotation player.

Oklahoma City trades: Kenrich Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Oklahoma City receives: Isaac Okoro
OKC consolidates some picks into a recent lotto pick who - while not a world-beater in his rookie year - was still fine even with the very abbreviated offseason. If you liked Okoro in the draft, I think you should still like him now.

[Sportfan73]

Oh I can create some narratives.

Kings: Vivek Ranadive is tired of losing and the Kings being the forgotten stepchild of the three California powerhouse franchises. He is desperate to bring some excitement and star power to the franchise. NBA trades are all about leverage - everything is irrelevant. And since Vivek has handed the Sixers all the leverage, I'm expecting that no price is too much.

Blazers: GM is on the hot seat. We know it. He knows it. Stotts was fired and he's the obvious next to go. If Dame demands out then it's all over for him. Simmons is the only move left on the chessboard for his continued employment. He's not going to care about trading picks that he'll otherwise never be around to make. He'll hand the Sixers a menu of everything the team owns other than Dame and tell Morey to go shopping like its Supermarket Sweep.

Cavs: Dan Gilbert is desperate to get out of Lebron's shadow and make the Cavs non-Lebron relevant for the first time since Mark Price was showing a little too much leg for anyone's comfort. He's issued an edict to start winning and to start winning now. My guess is the trade has been agreed upon and all that is left is for the Sixers to choose between Garland and Sexton as the final piece in the Okoro, filler and all available picks package.

Spurs: Pop has been effusive in his praise for Simmons and he's not sticking around to wait for these young kids to learn the game. Pop has limited time left coaching and he's not wasting it on guys too young to have a drink. White/Vassell/all 1sts offer incoming.

Wolves: Already on borrowed time with KAT and new ownership always wants to make a splash. Actually, forget it. Wolves don't have the assets.

Good call on Gilbert and I agree, however Garland wont be leaving Cleveland,,it will be Sexton,,plus.
I don't know if its true or not but Simmons wants to play with Garland.

If winning now is the goal, and the selection of Mobley makes me think that there's at least some flex there, hopefully Kobe Altman is having a conversation as to how many more wins Simmons is going to add given how they're currently constructed before they make an offer.

If you assume that Sexton, Rubio, and Cedi are the players headed out, then that's 24 points from one of three guys on the roster who can reliably hit a three pointer and a really good backup PG. So your primary issue offensively just got worse. You make a huge jump on the defensive end, but you're going to need one of Okoro or Windler to make a huge leap to be a .500 team. You're just not going to be able to score enough. See, e.g., the Raptors.

If you're trading for Simmons, I think you have a new core of Garland, Simmons, and Mobley (who you hope can play away from the basket as a starting center two years from now). Maybe Lauri is in there as the 4. But you're probably going to have to deal Allen and/or Okoro plus picks for the right two guard when the time comes. But I'm very skeptical that time will be this season, or even next season.

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I think you could probably get Shake back in that deal. Which isn’t nothing he’s 24 coming off of a 14 ppg season and is a career 40 percent from 3 guy

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Taking my turn...





Why DAL does this
- Shed Porzingis for someone younger and who plausibly is everything for the roster long-term that Porzingis had been hoped to be.

- Lose a decent back-up PG that some consider to be starter-quality for maybe half the teams in the league who was only under your control for another year, and a high-upside 2nd year PG, and gain what many consider to be one of the NBA's best Swiss army knives to go with what many consider to be a future league MVP.


Why GSW does this
- Shed Wiseman for someone older and who plausibly can be a significant asset in the push to get another championship or two before the Curry/Thompson/Green era folds up.

- How many times do you get to have the Van Arsdales (or in this case, the Currys) play on the same team? Right? And it's not like GSW hasn't been highly motivated to obtain a viable back-up at PG and SG. Seth is able to legitimately fill both roles. Expecting to sign Collison? No problem. Maybe that happens, and maybe it works out well. Maybe it doesn't work out well. Either way, Seth can/would be an asset.


Why PHI does this
- Shed Simmons for a capable PG short-term (though you could extend him), an up-and-comer PG long-term, and a proven scorer who some still believe could prove to be a high-end starter.


Draft picks?
Yes. I imagine a few draft picks would also need to be sprinkled into this recipe to ultimately give the trade sufficient balance if it were to ever actually happen, but these would be the essential principals of the trade. I could imagine all three teams having some pick received and some pick sent to another, with PHI getting the best overall benefit from that part of the trade.

[BoogieTime]

Taking my turn...





Why DAL does this
- Shed Porzingis for someone younger and who plausibly is everything for the roster long-term that Porzingis had been hoped to be.

- Lose a decent back-up PG that some consider to be starter-quality for maybe half the teams in the league who was only under your control for another year, and a high-upside 2nd year PG, and gain what many consider to be one of the NBA's best Swiss army knives to go with what many consider to be a future league MVP.


Why GSW does this
- Shed Wiseman for someone older and who plausibly can be a significant asset in the push to get another championship or two before the Curry/Thompson/Green era folds up.

- How many times do you get to have the Van Arsdales (or in this case, the Currys) play on the same team? Right? And it's not like GSW hasn't been highly motivated to obtain a viable back-up at PG and SG. Seth is able to legitimately fill both roles. Expecting to sign Collison? No problem. Maybe that happens, and maybe it works out well. Maybe it doesn't work out well. Either way, Seth can/would be an asset.


Why PHI does this
- Shed Simmons for a capable PG short-term (though you could extend him), an up-and-comer PG long-term, and a proven scorer who some still believe could prove to be a high-end starter.


Draft picks?
Yes. I imagine a few draft picks would also need to be sprinkled into this recipe to ultimately give the trade sufficient balance if it were to ever actually happen, but these would be the essential principals of the trade. I could imagine all three teams having some pick received and some pick sent to another, with PHI getting the best overall benefit from that part of the trade.

Wiggins/Terry/Brunson? Not sure about that

[Lovetron Joe]

Taking my turn...





Why DAL does this
- Shed Porzingis for someone younger and who plausibly is everything for the roster long-term that Porzingis had been hoped to be.

- Lose a decent back-up PG that some consider to be starter-quality for maybe half the teams in the league who was only under your control for another year, and a high-upside 2nd year PG, and gain what many consider to be one of the NBA's best Swiss army knives to go with what many consider to be a future league MVP.


Why GSW does this
- Shed Wiseman for someone older and who plausibly can be a significant asset in the push to get another championship or two before the Curry/Thompson/Green era folds up.

- How many times do you get to have the Van Arsdales (or in this case, the Currys) play on the same team? Right? And it's not like GSW hasn't been highly motivated to obtain a viable back-up at PG and SG. Seth is able to legitimately fill both roles. Expecting to sign Collison? No problem. Maybe that happens, and maybe it works out well. Maybe it doesn't work out well. Either way, Seth can/would be an asset.




Why PHI does this
- Shed Simmons for a capable PG short-term (though you could extend him), an up-and-comer PG long-term, and a proven scorer who some still believe could prove to be a high-end starter.


Draft picks?
Yes. I imagine a few draft picks would also need to be sprinkled into this recipe to ultimately give the trade sufficient balance if it were to ever actually happen, but these would be the essential principals of the trade. I could imagine all three teams having some pick received and some pick sent to another, with PHI getting the best overall benefit from that part of the trade.

Wiggins/Terry/Brunson? Not sure about that

Brutally bad for the Sixers.

[Soulyss]

Taking my turn...





Why DAL does this
- Shed Porzingis for someone younger and who plausibly is everything for the roster long-term that Porzingis had been hoped to be.

- Lose a decent back-up PG that some consider to be starter-quality for maybe half the teams in the league who was only under your control for another year, and a high-upside 2nd year PG, and gain what many consider to be one of the NBA's best Swiss army knives to go with what many consider to be a future league MVP.


Why GSW does this
- Shed Wiseman for someone older and who plausibly can be a significant asset in the push to get another championship or two before the Curry/Thompson/Green era folds up.

- How many times do you get to have the Van Arsdales (or in this case, the Currys) play on the same team? Right? And it's not like GSW hasn't been highly motivated to obtain a viable back-up at PG and SG. Seth is able to legitimately fill both roles. Expecting to sign Collison? No problem. Maybe that happens, and maybe it works out well. Maybe it doesn't work out well. Either way, Seth can/would be an asset.




Why PHI does this
- Shed Simmons for a capable PG short-term (though you could extend him), an up-and-comer PG long-term, and a proven scorer who some still believe could prove to be a high-end starter.


Draft picks?
Yes. I imagine a few draft picks would also need to be sprinkled into this recipe to ultimately give the trade sufficient balance if it were to ever actually happen, but these would be the essential principals of the trade. I could imagine all three teams having some pick received and some pick sent to another, with PHI getting the best overall benefit from that part of the trade.

Wiggins/Terry/Brunson? Not sure about that

Brutally bad for the Sixers.

LOL when he said "a first sprinkled in there" he meant 4 unprotected 1sts, and 3 swaps... That deal is brutally bad for 76'rs and I don't think Simmons has all that much value... but this is... awful

[Tomjas]

Cavaliers trade: Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, Isaac Okoro, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Cavaliers receive: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Get Simmons and dump Love without moving an unreasonably high first, seems like a dream scenario for them.

Houston trades: Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin
Houston receives: Kevin Love, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Move two bad contracts for one worse contract and a bunch of picks.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Philadelphia receives: Colin Sexton, Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin, Kenrich Williams, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Move Simmons for Sexton and tons of depth. Gordon (this season and next) and Augustin (this season, 333k next) are bad contracts but decent players. The Cleveland pick should have reasonable value to package in a trade for another rotation player.

Oklahoma City trades: Kenrich Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Oklahoma City receives: Isaac Okoro
OKC consolidates some picks into a recent lotto pick who - while not a world-beater in his rookie year - was still fine even with the very abbreviated offseason. If you liked Okoro in the draft, I think you should still like him now.

Cleveland 2022 pick is the most attractive asset for Sixers

Putting protection on it kills the deal

[babyjax13]

Cavaliers trade: Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, Isaac Okoro, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Cavaliers receive: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Get Simmons and dump Love without moving an unreasonably high first, seems like a dream scenario for them.

Houston trades: Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin
Houston receives: Kevin Love, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Move two bad contracts for one worse contract and a bunch of picks.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Philadelphia receives: Colin Sexton, Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin, Kenrich Williams, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Move Simmons for Sexton and tons of depth. Gordon (this season and next) and Augustin (this season, 333k next) are bad contracts but decent players. The Cleveland pick should have reasonable value to package in a trade for another rotation player.

Oklahoma City trades: Kenrich Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Oklahoma City receives: Isaac Okoro
OKC consolidates some picks into a recent lotto pick who - while not a world-beater in his rookie year - was still fine even with the very abbreviated offseason. If you liked Okoro in the draft, I think you should still like him now.

Cleveland 2022 pick is the most attractive asset for Sixers

Putting protection on it kills the deal

Philly isn't getting an unprotected pick from Cleveland for Simmons. If they want that, they'll have to look elsewhere.

[Tomjas]

Cavaliers trade: Kevin Love, Colin Sexton, Isaac Okoro, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Cavaliers receive: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Get Simmons and dump Love without moving an unreasonably high first, seems like a dream scenario for them.

Houston trades: Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin
Houston receives: Kevin Love, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Move two bad contracts for one worse contract and a bunch of picks.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons, Paul Reed, Isaiah Joe
Philadelphia receives: Colin Sexton, Eric Gordon, DJ Augustin, Kenrich Williams, 2022 CLE 1st (1-10 protected 4 years, then unprotected)
Move Simmons for Sexton and tons of depth. Gordon (this season and next) and Augustin (this season, 333k next) are bad contracts but decent players. The Cleveland pick should have reasonable value to package in a trade for another rotation player.

Oklahoma City trades: Kenrich Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2023 DEN 1st (1-14 protected through 2025, then 2 2nds)
Oklahoma City receives: Isaac Okoro
OKC consolidates some picks into a recent lotto pick who - while not a world-beater in his rookie year - was still fine even with the very abbreviated offseason. If you liked Okoro in the draft, I think you should still like him now.

Cleveland 2022 pick is the most attractive asset for Sixers

Putting protection on it kills the deal

Philly isn't getting an unprotected pick from Cleveland for Simmons. If they want that, they'll have to look elsewhere.

That’s fine but that deal consigns the Sixers to a low seed at best with less trade assets

It’s the worst of both worlds

[Bowdystuda]

If Toronto is sold on Simmons then What about something around...


TO TORONTO: Ben Simmons, Tyrese Haliburton and Seth Curry.

Haliburton-TrentJr-OG-Simmons-Birch
Flynn-Dragic-Barnes-Boucher-Precious



TO PHILLY: Fred VanVleet, Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley Jr

VanVleet-Hield-Harris-Bagley-Embiid
Maxey-Thybulle-Green-Korkmaz-Drummond



TO SACRAMENTO: Pascal Siakam, Freddie Gillespie and Philadelphia 1st round pick top 3 protected 2023.

Fox-Davis-Barnes-Siakam-Holmes
Mitchell-James-Harkless-Gillespie-Thompson

[kuclas]

If Toronto is sold on Simmons then What about something around...


TO TORONTO: Ben Simmons, Tyrese Haliburton and Seth Curry.

Haliburton-TrentJr-OG-Simmons-Birch
Flynn-Dragic-Barnes-Boucher-Precious



TO PHILLY: Fred VanVleet, Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley Jr

VanVleet-Hield-Harris-Bagley-Embiid
Maxey-Thybulle-Green-Korkmaz-Drummond



TO SACRAMENTO: Pascal Siakam, Freddie Gillespie and Philadelphia 1st round pick top 3 protected 2023.

Fox-Davis-Barnes-Siakam-Holmes
Mitchell-James-Harkless-Gillespie-Thompson

You got to be out of your mind

It’s a hang out the phone from Sixers immediately. They are not giving up Simmons plus cheap Curry for FVV , Hield and bagley.

1. Hield is not that much better than Curry but cost 2.5 more.
2. Bagley won’t crack the rotation
3. FVV could start. …maybe not sure before Maxey surplants him once he gets regular minutes

What how exactly does this make Sixers better

Cut out Sixers from the deal

And do the Haliburton/Bagley/Hield for Siakam/FVV. trade as main package Raps fans would probably say no to that deal as well well.

[NYG]

I kind of want a really random team like Detroit to step in, but unless they are trading Grant, they don't have enough salary they can aggregate until quite far in the season.

Yeah, I could see it being some totally unexpected team somehow (Charlotte? Chicago? Denver? New Orleans? Washington?)

Would Chicago go all in on now and use Patrick Williams to get him? Would Rui + picks/filler be enough?

[NYG]

Ben Simmons, Isaiah Joe and Paul Reed for Kyle Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Rui Hachimura, Montrezl Harrell, 2025 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick and 2027 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick (Note: Throws some cash OKC's way for their troubles and unprotects the 2023 pick)

Montrezl Harrell and Tyrese Maxey forwarded to the Spurs for Dejounte Murray?

[Tomjas]

Ben Simmons, Isaiah Joe and Paul Reed for Kyle Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Rui Hachimura, Montrezl Harrell, 2025 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick and 2027 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick (Note: Throws some cash OKC's way for their troubles and unprotects the 2023 pick)

Montrezl Harrell and Tyrese Maxey forwarded to the Spurs for Dejounte Murray?

I have long predicted that Spurs will be involved in a Simmons trade but will want him for themselves

Look at their roster and draft assets

[NYG]

Ben Simmons, Isaiah Joe and Paul Reed for Kyle Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Rui Hachimura, Montrezl Harrell, 2025 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick and 2027 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick (Note: Throws some cash OKC's way for their troubles and unprotects the 2023 pick)

Montrezl Harrell and Tyrese Maxey forwarded to the Spurs for Dejounte Murray?

I have long predicted that Spurs will be involved in a Simmons trade but will want him for themselves

Look at their roster and draft assets

How many picks and swaps would they need to lump in with an offer of Dejounte Murray, Lonnie Walker and Thaddeus Young?

[NYG]

I bet the offer to beat before mid-December is Markkanen, Rubio and Sexton for Simmons.

[BullyKing]

I bet the offer to beat before mid-December is Markkanen, Rubio and Sexton for Simmons.

Kind of hard to even guess without knowing the situation then though right? Did he show up? Is he playing? If so, how's he look?

[NYG]

I bet the offer to beat before mid-December is Markkanen, Rubio and Sexton for Simmons.

Kind of hard to even guess without knowing the situation then though right? Did he show up? Is he playing? If so, how's he look?

Yeah also injuries, etc. could clunk it up, but I'm sure something along those lines is the option that makes the most sense from a salary matching perspective and has been discussed as a keep it in mind option for both teams. I think how the value stands at this present moment, that's more along the lines of the deal they're looking for though. 20+ PPG scorer, veteran PG to the lead the offense and a shooter. If someone could/would provide that to Philly right now, I bet they would just do it.