Summer League 2024, Multi-Game Thread – Celtics finish 2-3, in Vegas

[ParticleMan]

Welp, that's done then. Finished 2-3 but we sat all our good players the last few games so can't expect much better.

Good to see Walsh end on a high note. That's more like the guy I expected. It was a good lesson to stay within himself. I think he needs another year mostly in Maine but he has something to build on.

Scheierman looked good except for the shooting. His BBIQ is very high. Seemed to come alive in the 4th Qs, he's a gamer. I am not too worried about the shooting, biggest issue is can he adjust to NBA speed and compensate for his lack thereof. OTOH I was pleasantly surprised by his handle and ability to create. After SL I see him as a replacement for Pritchard not Hauser. In an ideal world Rico plays well enough to trade Pritchard to fill a need later on.

Watson looked like the most NBA-ready guy out there after Springer. Sign him to a cheap contract and let him grow into it. Enaruna has a similar game but a step down, would be nice to have him in Maine. Queta put up good numbers but frankly I didn't see too much improvement, only effective when he can dominate physically.

JD shot well but otherwise showed only incremental improvement. Petersen still meh. Tillie will have a decent journeyman career but I don't see a future for him here. Mighty House is fun but not an NBA player, same for Cook. These guys could fill out our Maine roster but I wouldn't cry if any of them went elsewhere.

[cl2117]

Welp, that's done then. Finished 2-3 but we sat all our good players the last few games so can't expect much better.

Good to see Walsh end on a high note. That's more like the guy I expected. It was a good lesson to stay within himself. I think he needs another year mostly in Maine but he has something to build on.

Scheierman looked good except for the shooting. His BBIQ is very high. Seemed to come alive in the 4th Qs, he's a gamer. I am not too worried about the shooting, biggest issue is can he adjust to NBA speed and compensate for his lack thereof. OTOH I was pleasantly surprised by his handle and ability to create. After SL I see him as a replacement for Pritchard not Hauser. In an ideal world Rico plays well enough to trade Pritchard to fill a need later on.

Watson looked like the most NBA-ready guy out there after Springer. Sign him to a cheap contract and let him grow into it. Enaruna has a similar game but a step down, would be nice to have him in Maine. Queta put up good numbers but frankly I didn't see too much improvement, only effective when he can dominate physically.

JD shot well but otherwise showed only incremental improvement. Petersen still meh. Tillie will have a decent journeyman career but I don't see a future for him here. Mighty House is fun but not an NBA player, same for Cook. These guys could fill out our Maine roster but I wouldn't cry if any of them went elsewhere.

Good call on Scheierman as the potential replacement for Pritchard, that makes a lot of sense. Pritchard often plays a pseudo SG for us anyway, so you wouldn't really have much of a drop-off by going to a wing with some solid playmaking/ball handling abilities. It also makes it easier to get Scheierman minutes since defensively it'll be a wash with the added bonus of better rebounding.

Pritchard's height has always been a bit of concern and that's never going away. As much as I like the guy, I think a good long-term play would be to eventually move him for frontcourt depth with a succession plan of Scheierman and possibly Springer taking his minutes.

Maybe not a move that happens near term, but with Al getting ever closer to retirement and KP having 2 years left, eventually we need to figure out the frontcourt. I'm not sure the answer is currently on the roster unless Tillman really breaks out. I think something ultimately has to give and moving Pritchard probably has the least overall impact of the guys who get regular minutes and could be moved. I think the hard part is finding a big man that a team would be willing to trade for Pritchard that could fill that hole.

[Red2]

Last year Trace Jackson was there and we passed on him by trading down. This year we passed on filipowski who tore it up in summer league.

[Bad-Thoma]

The cost of getting Walsh was very minimal and he was looked at as a project.

So there will be no alarm bells ringing if he doesn't pan out.

Walsh looks the same as he did a year ago. Watson is a better player IMO.

True.

Watson has a feel for the game.

Walsh is more athleticism than basketball player.

Watson has 3 years on him, Walsh is more of a project. For a 20 year old second rounder there is plenty to like about Walsh.

[Hal14]

There’s nothing about House that makes me think he’s a better gamble as a project than JD, he’s just a new flavor for some of y’all. JD is also a year and a half younger so while I’m not thrilled with his progress looking like he’ll be helpful or not during our current window, I would expect even less from House.

Well Brad clearly showed a shift in strategy this year to go for older, more seasoned, more ready to play prospects (Scheierman, Watson) so House over JD would fall in line with that strategy.

Also, Brad's strategy with filling out the bench over the past couple of years seems to be going for specialists. Either defensive specialists (Lamar Stevens, Tillman, Springer, etc.) or shooting specialists (Pritchard, Hauser, Svi, Scheirman, etc.) House would be a defensive specialist - his steals % numbers in college are staggering - 4 seasons with a steals % of 4% or higher..including one season at 4.8% and another season at 4.7%.

The defense + energy House brought to the table for us at SL was extraordinary. He was comparable to JD as a playmaker..and as a shooter.

House seems like he could end up being a Davion Mitchell/Jose Alvarado type. Undersize. guard but really good defender, high energy, can run the point, run PnR and hit enough open 3's to provide some solid value out there. That's his upside..

Is JD a specialist? Not really. He was just a guy we took late in the 2nd round who had high upside (because he was a 5 star recruit coming out of HS, and was projected as a lottery pick by many prior to his freshman season at alabama and had crazy athleticism.) So the team took the swing on him..that late in the draft, it was low risk..and since there was high upside, there was potentially a high reward.

With that being said, JD just signed a 2-way..I don't see them pulling that contract away from him so it's probably a moot point.

[cloverleaf]

Last year Trace Jackson was there and we passed on him by trading down. This year we passed on filipowski who tore it up in summer league.

The miss of picking Walsh over Jackson-Davis maybe has contributed to Brad's changed approach?

[shackles10]

There’s nothing about House that makes me think he’s a better gamble as a project than JD, he’s just a new flavor for some of y’all. JD is also a year and a half younger so while I’m not thrilled with his progress looking like he’ll be helpful or not during our current window, I would expect even less from House.

Well Brad clearly showed a shift in strategy this year to go for older, more seasoned, more ready to play prospects (Scheierman, Watson) so House over JD would fall in line with that strategy.

Also, Brad's strategy with filling out the bench over the past couple of years seems to be going for specialists. Either defensive specialists (Lamar Stevens, Tillman, Springer, etc.) or shooting specialists (Pritchard, Hauser, Svi, Scheirman, etc.) House would be a defensive specialist - his steals % numbers in college are staggering - 4 seasons with a steals % of 4% or higher..including one season at 4.8% and another season at 4.7%.

The defense + energy House brought to the table for us at SL was extraordinary.

House seems like he could end up being a Davion Mitchell/Jose Alvarado type. Undersize. guard but really good defender, high energy, can run the point, run PnR and hit enough open 3's to provide some solid value out there. That's his upside..

Is JD a specialist? Not really. He was just a guy we took late in the 2nd round who had high upside (because he was a 5 star recruit coming out of HS, and was projected as a lottery pick by many prior to his freshman season at alabama and had crazy athleticism.) So the team took the swing on him..that late in the draft, it was low risk..and since there was high upside, there was potentially a high reward.

With that being said, JD just signed a 2-way..I don't see them pulling that contract away from him so it's probably a moot point.

I'm not convinced he can be a positive defender in the NBA. He'll get switched onto an even bigger mismatch at every opportunity, and even against pg's he fouled a lot trying to play catchup to get back into defense position (at least in the small sample size we saw him in SL). He's more likely to find a role in the NBA as an undersized shooter imo if he finds a role, and I'm not convinced he is a good enough shooter for it to work. JD actually ran the offense for an entire season in the g-league, and has improved from when we drafted him.

I don't disagree with Brad's strategy seemingly changing on going with older, more established players but I think it doesn't apply here as much since we've already had JD for 2 seasons so House isn't being compared to a guy a year and a half younger than him with no NBA experience. The 2 season's probably shrink all that age gap and you could make the argument now JD is the more experienced player if that's what Brad wants and House is more of the project.

In the end though it's probably all a moot point due to the 2-way deal you mentioned, but still fun to speculate their thinking on the two.

[Dogen]

We could use a 6’ 8”-6’10” athlete to run the floor, rebound and defend

And NBA ready too? Those guys are hard to find in late first or second round, or in FA for vet min.

For draft picks, I gave the nod to Ulrich Chomche at 54, with Watson as second choice. Nice young 6-10 athlete. But what I saw in summer league is he'll take a few years to develop, if at all.

For vets, maybe Osman can fill that roll. Not the best athlete or defender now, but a nice vet to add if he'd take the limited minutes and dough.

[darrendaye]

Welp, that's done then. Finished 2-3 but we sat all our good players the last few games so can't expect much better.

Good to see Walsh end on a high note. That's more like the guy I expected. It was a good lesson to stay within himself. I think he needs another year mostly in Maine but he has something to build on.

Scheierman looked good except for the shooting. His BBIQ is very high. Seemed to come alive in the 4th Qs, he's a gamer. I am not too worried about the shooting, biggest issue is can he adjust to NBA speed and compensate for his lack thereof. OTOH I was pleasantly surprised by his handle and ability to create. After SL I see him as a replacement for Pritchard not Hauser. In an ideal world Rico plays well enough to trade Pritchard to fill a need later on.

Watson looked like the most NBA-ready guy out there after Springer. Sign him to a cheap contract and let him grow into it. Enaruna has a similar game but a step down, would be nice to have him in Maine. Queta put up good numbers but frankly I didn't see too much improvement, only effective when he can dominate physically.

JD shot well but otherwise showed only incremental improvement. Petersen still meh. Tillie will have a decent journeyman career but I don't see a future for him here. Mighty House is fun but not an NBA player, same for Cook. These guys could fill out our Maine roster but I wouldn't cry if any of them went elsewhere.

Scheierman's shooting concern is that uses a 45 degree angle which reduces the opportunity to have your elbow misaligned but takes your lower half mostly out of the equation since your toes aren't pointed to the rim. Puts a lot of emphasis on the force of the wrist snap. I doubt they will rework it at this stage, so we'll see how it goes. I do agree that he's more competition with Prichard than Hauser. His potential as a creator for others is a weighty part of of his projected benefit.

I'm losing some steam with Enaruna not strictly with SL results but in considering his possible path to success still lies in his ballhandling and shot creation development, along with his shot. Giving the whole picture more thought, particularly if Scheierman spends a good deal of time in Maine, I don't think there would be priority to give him a high usage role. One of the reasons I advocate strongly for Tillie is he would be relatively low usage. Watson's value is his impact in college as a low usage player but they will want him to take on more to develop his overall game.

Finally, on Queta, I liked that they had him on the team but then they didn't scheme/focus him on working on his lesser developed skills. I wanted him to work as a low post passer and/or mid-range (or 3pr) shooter. The only real benefit was on the defensive end were the typically more guard oriented SL play got him defending out in space.

[cloverleaf]

Welp, that's done then. Finished 2-3 but we sat all our good players the last few games so can't expect much better.

Good to see Walsh end on a high note. That's more like the guy I expected. It was a good lesson to stay within himself. I think he needs another year mostly in Maine but he has something to build on.

Scheierman looked good except for the shooting. His BBIQ is very high. Seemed to come alive in the 4th Qs, he's a gamer. I am not too worried about the shooting, biggest issue is can he adjust to NBA speed and compensate for his lack thereof. OTOH I was pleasantly surprised by his handle and ability to create. After SL I see him as a replacement for Pritchard not Hauser. In an ideal world Rico plays well enough to trade Pritchard to fill a need later on.

Watson looked like the most NBA-ready guy out there after Springer. Sign him to a cheap contract and let him grow into it. Enaruna has a similar game but a step down, would be nice to have him in Maine. Queta put up good numbers but frankly I didn't see too much improvement, only effective when he can dominate physically.

JD shot well but otherwise showed only incremental improvement. Petersen still meh. Tillie will have a decent journeyman career but I don't see a future for him here. Mighty House is fun but not an NBA player, same for Cook. These guys could fill out our Maine roster but I wouldn't cry if any of them went elsewhere.

Scheierman's shooting concern is that uses a 45 degree angle which reduces the opportunity to have your elbow misaligned but takes your lower half mostly out of the equation since your toes aren't pointed to the rim. Puts a lot of emphasis on the force of the wrist snap. I doubt they will rework it at this stage, so we'll see how it goes. I do agree that he's more competition with Prichard than Hauser. His potential as a creator for others is a weighty part of of his projected benefit.

I'm losing some steam with Enaruna not strictly with SL results but in considering his possible path to success still lies in his ballhandling and shot creation development, along with his shot. Giving the whole picture more thought, particularly if Scheierman spends a good deal of time in Maine, I don't think there would be priority to give him a high usage role. One of the reasons I advocate strongly for Tillie is he would be relatively low usage. Watson's value is his impact in college as a low usage player but they will want him to take on more to develop his overall game.

Finally, on Queta, I liked that they had him on the team but then they didn't scheme/focus him on working on his lesser developed skills. I wanted him to work as a low post passer and/or mid-range (or 3pr) shooter. The only real benefit was on the defensive end were the typically more guard oriented SL play got him defending out in space.

Supposedly they've had Queta shooting 3s in practice -- and he's been making them.

[Shak_Celts]

Maybe someone answered this already, but why did they sit Peterson but play him in the last game? I know people speculated he was sitting down because maybe he proved enough and has a 2-way already. Someone said maybe he is getting looks from another team and doesn’t want to get injured… because I don’t know anyone who thought he had a good SL.


Personally wish he didn’t play in the game because they started him out of seniority and/or 2-way, I think he’s been mid at best this SL. I wish House started to maybe get us off to a better start. Their SL play said House needed to start, especially since none of the starters are close to PGs and they didn’t let Rico run things… looked better than we did letting Peterson run it.

[darrendaye]

Maybe someone answered this already, but why did they sit Peterson but play him in the last game? I know people speculated he was sitting down because maybe he proved enough and has a 2-way already. Someone said maybe he is getting looks from another team and doesn’t want to get injured… because I don’t know anyone who thought he had a good SL.


Personally wish he didn’t play in the game because they started him out of seniority and/or 2-way, I think he’s been mid at best this SL. I wish House started to maybe get us off to a better start. Their SL play said House needed to start, especially since none of the starters are close to PGs and they didn’t let Rico run things… looked better than we did letting Peterson run it.

IMO they wanted to put the ball in Scheierman's hands more often. They dropped Ramsey after game 3 and with Harper out after game 4, House was the only guard and they brought Peterson back to let he and Scheierman share the ball a bit more. I thought I sensed a bit of disconnect between the two in the first 2 games and they were sharing the same space a bit.

[Shak_Celts]

Maybe someone answered this already, but why did they sit Peterson but play him in the last game? I know people speculated he was sitting down because maybe he proved enough and has a 2-way already. Someone said maybe he is getting looks from another team and doesn’t want to get injured… because I don’t know anyone who thought he had a good SL.


Personally wish he didn’t play in the game because they started him out of seniority and/or 2-way, I think he’s been mid at best this SL. I wish House started to maybe get us off to a better start. Their SL play said House needed to start, especially since none of the starters are close to PGs and they didn’t let Rico run things… looked better than we did letting Peterson run it.

IMO they wanted to put the ball in Scheierman's hands more often. They dropped Ramsey after game 3 and with Harper out after game 4, House was the only guard and they brought Peterson back to let he and Scheierman share the ball a bit more. I thought I sensed a bit of disconnect between the two in the first 2 games and they were sharing the same space a bit.

I wish Rico had a real opportunity to run the offense. Peterson looked like Bambi on the ball to me, he did get a little better after g1. Couldn’t believe they allowed him to keep being the “PG.” He can shoot, keep him off the ball like Hauser, fetch is not a thing!

[Gant]

I'm pretty sure they see tall point guard as Peterson's best path to the NBA. When Davison and Steward both got hurt in the G league last season, Peterson became the point and the turnovers were both frequent and unpleasant. No matter how bad it got, they kept him at the position. Now they've put him there again. Experimenting is what summer games are for, I guess.

Scheierman may become a player, but his summer stint was perpetually disappointing.

[165bows]

I'm pretty sure they see tall point guard as Peterson's best path to the NBA. When Davison and Steward both got hurt in the G league last season, Peterson became the point and the turnovers were both frequent and unpleasant. No matter how bad it got, they kept him at the position. Now they've put him there again.

I'm not sure if I did or didn't make this connection with Peterson (as he's an even bigger/more extreme example), but I felt this was the same role for Svi.

Ie, they really like taking these taller guys and trying to turn them into PGs, first example being when they had Nik Stauskas as 4th string PG on the '22 Finals team while running solo PG in Maine.

Wondering if Ramsey might be in the same category of a guy they look at as a developing PG type.

But looking at the big picture it's not surprising what they have done with Peterson, it's just another piece of a bigger pattern.

My question around it is their end goal, do they generally want two big ball handlers on the floor at the same time, ala White/Smart and White/Jrue. Or is it the sort of old Dean Smith/MJ "play PG this summer before you come back to school" thing to improve guys skills, or something else, I'm not sure.

[Hal14]

I wish Rico had a real opportunity to run the offense. Peterson looked like Bambi on the ball to me, he did get a little better after g1. Couldn’t believe they allowed him to keep being the “PG.” He can shoot, keep him off the ball like Hauser, fetch is not a thing!

That's not Scheierman's game. He's wing. Can shoot the 3, can spot up, some flashes of movement shooting. Decent secondary shot creator/secondary playmaker. But don't ask him to be the primary PG. Partly because he's too slow and doesn't have the handle that Peterson has..

I don't care if Peterson looked like a cartoon character. He showed that he can handle the ball vs tough defensive pressure without turning the ball over, initiate actions and has ability to collapse a defense, get to the paint..

[Hal14]

I'm pretty sure they see tall point guard as Peterson's best path to the NBA. When Davison and Steward both got hurt in the G league last season, Peterson became the point and the turnovers were both frequent and unpleasant. No matter how bad it got, they kept him at the position. Now they've put him there again. Experimenting is what summer games are for, I guess.

Agreed. They probably realize that Peterson is not an elite athlete..and not an elite shooter..not a good enough shooter to be a shooting specialist like Hauser, Pritchard, etc. Not an elite defender..so what is his path to NBA mins?

They tried that jumbo initiator experiment last year with Banton. Both guys about 6'8"/6'9" with good handles, playmaking ability. Similar age. The experiment didn't work out very well with Banton, mostly because he was such a poor shooter and also struggled quite a bit to finish around the rim (which mostly negated his impressive ability to pressure the rim).

But Peterson is clearly a much better shooter than Banton..and (at least in yesterday's game) he was pretty effectively finishing around the basket..had that drive and dunk..had the other play where he drove and finished in the paint..and that other player where Scheierman missed 2 middies and Peterson got the and-1 put-back.

[165bows]

Also there had been a fair amount of gushing I've seen on the internet about Brandon Miller being way to good for SL etc etc.

I didn't see that Hornets game but I'll submit that Springer's was likely a much better game, and to my surprise Springer is only 2 months older than Brandon Miller. Both guys being older 21 year olds and really aren't old for summer league imo.

23/2/6 for Springer in 25 mins, 0TOs, 2 STL, 1PF, 53.3FG%
23/8/2 fro Brandon Miller in 33 mins, 7TOs, 0 stocks, 4PFs, 43.8FG%.

23 points on 17 total possessions for an ace defender is excellent, 23 points for an offense first guy on 25 possessions is not really indicative of a solid performance at all really.

[165bows]

I knew Ramsey scored a lot in SL but...

...29 pts/36 mins on 62.5FG/63.6 3PT/87.5FT splits is pretty easy on the eyes lol.

I heard it suggested that he had a spot locked up somewhere to not get more run after that, we will see.

Edit: Also JD Davison was 59/55 FG/3PT% and got a collective meh from the board here. I think he is weak on D, but got to give a little credit where credit due, his shot looks much better than it did.

[165bows]

Might be feeling down about Scheierman/Walsh on their poor shooting, at least the team didn't have a lotto pick like Grady Dick go 0-fer from deep on the summer lol.