All Aboard! Next Stop "2017 NBA Draft Lottery" All Things Draft Thread

[FlatearthZorro]

I hope for Fultz, but I don't care and I wont judge if we draft Jackson. I just don't see a superstar in Jackson. I see a potential star. Can't wait to hear from the workouts.

[return2glory]

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[return2glory]

We already have have a young, athletic, versatile SF named Jaylen Brown.

There's no point in adding Jackson. Fultz or trade it.

Jackson is a better rebounder, passer, defender, and is faster, quicker, and more explosive than Jaylen. He has had better court vision and amazing handles as well.

Blazers had Clyde and said the same thing you are saying. They passed on MJ.

Josh Jackson can turn out to be special. So can Fultz. It's not as easy as people think on who Danny drafts.

[FlatearthZorro]

We already have have a young, athletic, versatile SF named Jaylen Brown.

There's no point in adding Jackson. Fultz or trade it.

Jackson is a better rebounder, passer, defender, and is faster, quicker, and more explosive than Jaylen. He has had better court vision and amazing handles as well.

Blazers had Clyde and said the same thing you are saying. They passed on MJ.

Josh Jackson can turn out to be special. So can Fultz. It's not as easy as people think on who Danny drafts.

Im not sure about more explosive. Not at all. Also Jaylens passing ia underrated, same for rebounding and him and Jackson are the same age. Not at all sure about your arguments. Think Jaylen would dominate as a sophmore.

[return2glory]

just gonna repost my comment from the trade thread here:

"so many of the things that Fultz does, you can't "practice" you can't "work on" you can't "get better at" they are things you either can or cannot do, and thats what separates superstars from stars and starters."

Yes and no. It's the superstars that put in the most work. They are the ones practicing on their craft more than the others. First to come in, last to leave. A guy like Fultz didn't get this good without outworking most of his opponents.

I do agree that there are some things that come more naturally to them.

[return2glory]

We already have have a young, athletic, versatile SF named Jaylen Brown.

There's no point in adding Jackson. Fultz or trade it.

Jackson is a better rebounder, passer, defender, and is faster, quicker, and more explosive than Jaylen. He has had better court vision and amazing handles as well.

Blazers had Clyde and said the same thing you are saying. They passed on MJ.

Josh Jackson can turn out to be special. So can Fultz. It's not as easy as people think on who Danny drafts.

Im not sure about more explosive. Not at all. Also Jaylens passing ia underrated, same for rebounding and him and Jackson are the same age. Not at all sure about your arguments. Think Jaylen would dominate as a sophmore.

Jaylen's passing is no where near Jackson's. Neither is his handles, court vision, or rebounding. Those parts of their games aren't close. As far as explosiveness, Jackson is quicker and faster to the rim and gets more dunks than Jaylen did at Cal.

Having said that, my pick right now would be Fultz. But Jackson is a close second for me. Ainge' choice might not be as easy as people think.

[Leprechaun18]

I think Jaylen is better than Jackson right now! Jackson is a good athlete, but he does not give me any visions of MJ. His highlights are very good but not profound. Check his HL videos, his drives are just basic straight drives. He is also competing against college players, which are a solid step below NBA caliber. They are both 20 yrs old.

[jfs1000d]

General question.

Why do guys like Broussard, Cowherd, Bayless et al seem to say Lonzo is the easy choice, and the NBA beat writers/scouts say different?

Well, at least with Cowherd and Bayless the answer is obvious. They're both **** idiots.

I think the 9 wins at Washington is the reason.

How the heck are you a generational talent and your college team wins only 9 games? That doesnt make sense, and that is my one red flag with fultz.

Ball is a flashy passer and a rare PG talent.

I like both, but I think fultz has more unstoppable potential.


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[Gurton Buster]

Jackson is a better rebounder, passer, defender, and is faster, quicker, and more explosive than Jaylen. He has had better court vision and amazing handles as well.

Blazers had Clyde and said the same thing you are saying. They passed on MJ.

Josh Jackson can turn out to be special. So can Fultz. It's not as easy as people think on who Danny drafts.

Im not sure about more explosive. Not at all. Also Jaylens passing ia underrated, same for rebounding and him and Jackson are the same age. Not at all sure about your arguments. Think Jaylen would dominate as a sophmore.

Jaylen's passing is no where near Jackson's. Neither is his handles, court vision, or rebounding. Those parts of their games aren't close. As far as explosiveness, Jackson is quicker and faster to the rim and gets more dunks than Jaylen did at Cal.

Having said that, my pick right now would be Fultz. But Jackson is a close second for me. Ainge' choice might not be as easy as people think.

I think Jaylen is better than Jackson right now! Jackson is a good athlete, but he does not give me any visions of MJ. His highlights are very good but not profound. Check his HL videos, his drives are just basic straight drives. He is also competing against college players, which are a solid step below NBA caliber. They are both 20 yrs old.

Yeah.. Jackson mostly did straight line drives after handoffs (Jeff Green) and also had the luxury of playing power forwards the entire season where he was quicker and faster.

[canman1971]

The most fascinating aspect of this is, we won't know for 2-3 years if Ainge made the right choice, regardless of who it is. I certainly have faith, but I would guess, Ainge has more than likely thought for some time that, "if we get the number 1 pick, we are taking X player." I just can't see workouts making any difference when they have the pick of the litter and have been preparing for so long against them. Now if they were picking 2-4, then definitely, but nobody can mess up their board. Talk about pressure.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

The most fascinating aspect of this is, we won't know for 2-3 years if Ainge made the right choice, regardless of who it is. I certainly have faith, but I would guess, Ainge has more than likely thought for some time that, "if we get the number 1 pick, we are taking X player." I just can't see workouts making any difference when they have the pick of the litter and have been preparing for so long against them. Now if they were picking 2-4, then definitely, but nobody can mess up their board. Talk about pressure.

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[sam_I_am]

General question.

Why do guys like Broussard, Cowherd, Bayless et al seem to say Lonzo is the easy choice, and the NBA beat writers/scouts say different?

Well, at least with Cowherd and Bayless the answer is obvious. They're both **** idiots.

I think the 9 wins at Washington is the reason.

How the heck are you a generational talent and your college team wins only 9 games? That doesnt make sense, and that is my one red flag with fultz.

Ball is a flashy passer and a rare PG talent.

I like both, but I think fultz has more unstoppable potential.


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They lost to Yale at home even though Yale was missing 2 starters. How can a guy save a franchise in NBA but not beat Ivy leaguers? It's a legit concern.

[jfs1000d]

I want Fultz No. 1. Jackson, I just don't see it. As far as Ball, he's probably the one guy we are going to pass on that has superstar potential. Ball is an incredible PG talent IMO. I love him.

But, not more than Fultz.

[ViperGTS]

Well, at least with Cowherd and Bayless the answer is obvious. They're both **** idiots.

I think the 9 wins at Washington is the reason.

How the heck are you a generational talent and your college team wins only 9 games? That doesnt make sense, and that is my one red flag with fultz.

Ball is a flashy passer and a rare PG talent.

I like both, but I think fultz has more unstoppable potential.


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They lost to Yale at home even though Yale was missing 2 starters. How can a guy save a franchise in NBA but not beat Ivy leaguers? It's a legit concern.

Beats me. I just saw the Celtics get smoked because they couldn't make shots. Pretty sure the "talent" around Fultz was non existent amongst other factors. He'd get doubled and keys on and they're is only so much he could do. I have zero worries about him after reading up on his family life, drive and what he says as well as how he performed.

[Captain_Caveman]

Fultz > Jackson > Jaylen.

Not that hard.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Fultz > Jackson > Jaylen.

Not that hard.

I'd be interested to know if Sixers would bite on a Jackson/Jaylen swap as a center piece deal but the Sixers also get Avery Bradley in the deal plus cap filler.

[bucknersrevenge]

Fair enough. Now if you read it it does note that Brown would be a surprise but that Boston does like him. Him and Smart fit the same profile of guys coming out of college who could play d, play multiple positions and struggled with shooting.

They fit the profile of BPA.

Not really. The writer made a guess based on what he had heard when it came to Brown. He even mentioned that his stock had dropped it doesn't really fit the profile of BPA. Smart Randle Exum were all around the same. But again you can say that he doesn't have a type but he lusted after Winslow offering a ton of picks for him. He drafted Brown which in a sense is a better version of Winslow but the jumper still has a lot to be desired and Smart. All 3 have a lot left to be desired offensively but are really good defensive players that can play multiple positions. Its not an accident he's targeting those players. It could be that he thinks defense is harder to learn than offense and looks at a guy like Leonard in San Antonio and sees a scenario where Brown Winslow or Smart can become 20 PPG elite players. But you have to acknowledge at this point he has shown a preference for this type of player.

I mean hell he made it a point to grab Crowder in the Rondo deal and he's along this type of player as well. Not saying that this is an awful thing but Fultz is not assured to be the #1 by any stretch.

I think I get what you're saying. I think Danny's general rule of thumb, at least since the Olynyk draft is to go BPA regardless of position. If there are a few candidates at a specific spot that haven't separated themselves from each other, the tie-breaker now the player with the NBA body and the potential for positional versatility and then defensive potential. This still puts Fultz ahead of Jackson though. He's still the BPA regardless. But he also has positional versatility, defensive potential (regardless of how he looked on the floor in college), and he has an NBA frame and the measurable to prove it. Then add to that all of the offensive numbers and offensive potential and its end of story.

[return2glory]

I think Jaylen is better than Jackson right now! Jackson is a good athlete, but he does not give me any visions of MJ. His highlights are very good but not profound. Check his HL videos, his drives are just basic straight drives. He is also competing against college players, which are a solid step below NBA caliber. They are both 20 yrs old.

MJ? Who isn't comparing him to MJ?

Maybe Jackson might be as good as Jimmy Butler or K. Leonard one day.

[spikeslovechild]

I don't really see Fultz as a fit. Celtics don't need another small guard who can score and be problems on the defense end. They need bigger players who can defend the Durants and Lebrons.

I could see the Sixers and Celtics coming together for a trade assuming they are convinced the Lakers will take Ball.

[sam_I_am]

I think the 9 wins at Washington is the reason.

How the heck are you a generational talent and your college team wins only 9 games? That doesnt make sense, and that is my one red flag with fultz.

Ball is a flashy passer and a rare PG talent.

I like both, but I think fultz has more unstoppable potential.


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They lost to Yale at home even though Yale was missing 2 starters. How can a guy save a franchise in NBA but not beat Ivy leaguers? It's a legit concern.

Beats me. I just saw the Celtics get smoked because they couldn't make shots. Pretty sure the "talent" around Fultz was non existent amongst other factors. He'd get doubled and keys on and they're is only so much he could do. I have zero worries about him after reading up on his family life, drive and what he says as well as how he performed.

I question his leadership but the talent is jaw dropping. I've never seen a guy glide around in any direction like he can with the ball and his shooting form is nearly perfect. His size and length is elite. He is defintely the pick if we make it. There is reason tfor believe he could be a first team all NBA star in 5 years.