2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Believing that the lottery is actually rigged is so childish

As is being intentionally naive and obtuse to fairly blatant measures of profit control. Just in order to nurture a false sense of comfort.

The NBA draft lottery is audited by Ernst and Young, a company worth more than the NBA. They have far bigger interests that would be jeopardized by letting the NBA rig the draft.

I hear ya man, and that's all fine and good in theory, but even so. As an example:

Back in 1985, With the infamous "Ewing " lottery. They had an accounting firm partner named Jack Wagner from the accounting firm of Ernst and Whinney which was overseeing the draft.

Stern had the help of a secondary source: Jack Wagner, a partner at accounting firm Ernst & Whinney. He placed the envelopes in the drum, and curiously happened to bang one of them on the lip of the vessel — denting the Knicks’ envelope.

Wagner is the real key to all this, because he was the league’s fail safe. If Stern couldn’t select the cold envelope, he’d instead look for a creased corner, knowing this was the Knicks logo.

Need more proof? Ersnt & Whinney were the accounting firm for Gulf and Western Industries. Guess who was a predominant owner of the Knicks in 1985? Gulf and Western Industries, who held a 81 percent stake in The Madison Square Garden Company.

So whilst having a large independent entity oversee things like the draft is good for the public perception of ethical integrity, All it takes ( as exampled ) is a vested interest or potential for personal financial gain, in order to risk perceived unethical practices.

There's many such examples of this in big business such as insider trading scandals, Ponzi schemes, etc. So unfortunately, just carrying the label of a big business firm or independent entity in business dealings doesn't guarantee or prevent instances of wrong doing for personal profit.

It would be nice though if it did.

[DirtyDez]

They don’t measure barefoot anymore?

[Saberestar]

I like Clarke, but there are some legit cons on his game/profile.

He is old for real. He will be 23 before the start of the season. Upside is limited because he lacks shooting yet at his age.
He lacks shot creation too, he does not have perimeter skills at all...overall he is limited on offense.

His defense is pretty good, but I do not expect him as a dominant defensive player in the NBA because of his size (6'8, 220 lbs) and average wingspan (eye test).
Really difficult to be an intimadating defensive frontcourt player with that height in the NBA. He is a PF/C and he is gonna be undersized.

He is a PF, not a C. Draymond Green doesnt seem to have an issue being a intimidating defensive frontcourt player, and he is an inch shorter. PJ Tucker is 6'5 and his size/height hasnt been an issue with him defending much taller PF's either. Its not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

As for his age, yup, he is older, cant dispute that. But one thing that article points out is that he will be in his "Prime" at the end of his 1st cheap rookie contract and going into his 2nd, so in a way, you will end up getting a prime player for much cheaper than if he was entering his 3rd contract while in his prime.

Stepien nailed it, he is a Jordan Bell type of player, but with better defense and much much much better offense. In my eyes, thats perfect.

Draymond Green has a 7'1 wingspan and at least 20 lbs on Clarke. I'm not totally out on Clarke but his wingspan is not ideal and it does matter.

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Yeah, I agree.

He does not look as strong, long or wide as PJ Tucker or Draymond Green.

6'8 wingspan? Clarke's wingspan are bad news. He needs to play PF/C because he does not have perimeter skills...that is gonna be a problem in the long run for him.

[kennydorglas]

Randle is the only I can remember being a T-Rex who kinda survived in the NBA.
He had 250lbs and carried his weight very well in the drills.

Hard task for Clarke.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Randle is the only I can remember being a T-Rex who kinda survived in the NBA.
He had 250lbs and carried his weight very well in the drills.

Hard task for Clarke.

Randle had a 7 foot wingspan

Fun fact- Spencer dinwiddie has higher standing reach than Clarke.

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[kennydorglas]

Randle is the only I can remember being a T-Rex who kinda survived in the NBA.
He had 250lbs and carried his weight very well in the drills.

Hard task for Clarke.

Randle had a 7 foot wingspan

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Oh, my database was wrong. Thanks for the info.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Randle is the only I can remember being a T-Rex who kinda survived in the NBA.
He had 250lbs and carried his weight very well in the drills.

Hard task for Clarke.

Randle had a 7 foot wingspan

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Oh, my database was wrong. Thanks for the info.

Randle has a long neck so even with that 7 ft wingspan his standing reach was only 8'9 1/2... But that's still 3 inches higher than Clarke.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Another comparison TJ Warren is the same height as Clarke but has 2 more inches of wingspan and 2 inches of standing reach.

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[kennydorglas]

Clarke is a Rodney Hood clone?

Body/Anthropometric Measurements
Height w/ Shoes 6'8.50""
Standing Reach 8'7.00"
Weight 208.2
Wingspan 6'8.50"

[darealjuice]

Wow I knew Clarke wasn’t very lanky but I didn’t realize he was in T-Rex range. What little interest I had in him is pretty much gone at this point.

[Crives]

This is our guy

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[BobbieL]

Another comparison TJ Warren is the same height as Clarke but has 2 more inches of wingspan and 2 inches of standing reach.

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This could mean Clarke falls a bit.


Just hoping somebody wants to come up to 6 and the Suns get a player, cap space and maybe for coming up to 6, they take Josh off our hands.

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[kennydorglas]

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Rich Paul being Rich Paul.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Lol that's absurd

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[Years90Suns]

With respect man, A couple of points:

It's important to remember that this is a business, And in any business, The greatest benefit comes in ensuring the profitability and overall sustainability of the biggest markets, As they obviously have the largest number of fans and as a result,

The greatest potential to add to the overall TV revenue and marketing sales for the NBA'S overall profit margin obviously.

So that alone is a very legitimate motivator. Now again, Consider the teams that moved up, And the obvious vested assets and interests involved, prior to heading into free agency:

1- The Pels: The whole Laker Fiasco was an embarrassment to the league. And with the trade failing to occur,

The result is the Lakers missing the playoffs AND becoming dysfunctional and losing viability( means losing money as the league's long time "Cash Cow"!).

As they're the largest market and NBA's "Darling" of a franchise. But currently unable to attract any discernable Big Name players. The Pels are still sore over the whole Rich Paul fiasco, So how do you smooth things over, in order to get the trade done, and restore your largest markets viability???

By enticing the team that still has control of Davis with a "Generational Talent " in Zion, that ensures their franchise marketing and media interest.

Now, Why not New York you ask, Because New York already pretty much has Durant locked up.
And Having Durant and Barrett together, along with the big market draw of New York itself,

As well as another max contract slot to boot, Pretty much ensures they can get another big name, such as Kemba Walker, Who would surely like to play alongside Durant in a huge Market like theirs.

The Mavs, again aren't as big of a marketing draw as LA or New York, So therein lies my point.

It's a business model, And a very lucrative one at that. So to assume that they'd in any way elect to leave potential profits up to genuine chance is highly unrealistic.


So again man, With respect, We're just going to have to have two very differing opinions obviously , and that's fine.

But as neither perspective, can be or have yet been completely proven or discounted, It then becomes only a matter of perspective obviously for now. However, with the same respect......

There's obviously been evidence that can to a point, Substantiate both perspectives too. Otherwise there wouldn't be a continuing debate over such ideas after all these years.

In the end, I don't ask/nor do I expect anyone to subscribe to my perspective on this subject. But just because we see things differently, doesn't mean that I'm wrong anymore than you're perspective is right either.

As again neither perspectives has been irrefutably proven, even after all these years.

All we can do is see how things play out this summer, and make further assertions from that point.

I believe the most impostant thing for the league should be that the smallest markets earn money... or at least that they do not lose money.

If the Lakers, Knicks, Bulls, Heat, Sixers, Wizards, Celtics and Warriors (ther a are a few more big markets yet) earn a ton of money and win all the tittles while having the best players and then you have 10 teams losing money because they are not selling tickets due to the fact that they do not have attractive players, and they never get to the PO (so they even get less money), then the overall product you have is going in a bad direction.

The league is enjoying a good time of bonanza and that is because the small markets are able to retain their stars (Giannis, DeRozan, AD, Kemba, Westbrook, PG, etc) and, coincidentally, some big markets and historical winning franchises are doing many bad decisions or having any luck with some movements (Lakers, Knicks, Bulls).

The most important thing, IMO, is that the average revenue of the franchises gets to a certain level because most of them are close to that level, and not because there are 5 franchises getting 10 while others are getting 6, which could render a final average of 8/9. That is like the average world salary, so distant...

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Rich Paul being Rich Paul.

Wonder if he’s going to Lakers. If we didn’t make the promise, we should be able to get culver or hunter.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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Rich Paul being Rich Paul.

Wonder if he’s going to Lakers. If we didn’t make the promise, we should be able to get culver or hunter.

Lakers can't really make promises because they would trade that pick in a heartbeat if NO wants it in a Davis trade.

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[Crives]

Rich Paul being Rich Paul.

Wonder if he’s going to Lakers. If we didn’t make the promise, we should be able to get culver or hunter.

Lakers can't really make promises because they would trade that pick in a heartbeat if NO wants it in a Davis trade.

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Good point. If that’s the case it’s got to be us or Cleveland right?