Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[Jeff Van Gully]

and straight respect from westbrook at the end of that OKC video.

[thebuzzardman]

The Mitch pick came from the Melo trade. I def like that we have been accumulating picks, while keeping our own and stocking up on young/hungry/unproven players....basically taking a lot of low risk, low/medium/high reward moves.

What happens this offseason will obviously be huge and probably the defining moment of this front office. There are a lot of different ways this can go.

Since this is more fun than "Frank sucks!/Is great!", I'm going to keep it going.

Yup, Knox might not be all that. Frank either. Or one or both surprise in a few years. But they have some abilities, other teams feel that, and are cost controlled.
But the subtler aspects, at least to the MSM, is the extra 2nd rounders - that become Mitch. That the team located Trier. And Mitch, in terms of willingness to ignore the "unconventional". Have the Knicks ever had late draft success? Sure. Have they located some "ok" players in other ways - Copeland etc? Sure. But Perry, at exactly right time, right after Phil kept the picks, really boosted the asset base by drafting Knox (again, didn't trade it) and then getting Trier/Mitch.
And pivoting away from KP - I mean, it sucked the homegrown guy had to go, but to get back a legitimate asset in DSJr (yes, him and KP aren't the same), free up 30 million dollars over two seasons, AND get two first round picks in the next 4 years? Even if those picks are in the 20's - they are a big deal.

The good teams have enough attractive semi attractive players to further build the team. They always seems to have extra picks to be able to put into a deal to get a guy.

I mean, Sacramento sort of floundered around but waited a bit for some guys to mature, were lucky to be bad enough to get Fox, but also (without looking it up) under Divacs made some quit deals that really helped them turn the final corner to a playoff team, even a low one.

No analogy of Perry to Sactown, as I don't really know what his input there was in a brief period of time. But unless the Knicks trade everything for AD (which I just don't think happens), Knicks feel like they are about where Sactown was a year ago.

Yeah, it does give us more options and a lot of room to operate. We have never even been close to having this much flexibility in terms of combined future picks, cap space and young players. We can keep everyone, or package them for an upgrade if needed. And I think that is more or less where Frank probably stands right now which is the right mind set to have. In the right deal and in the right situation he should be moved, and the same can be said for most of our players (except Mitch).

You wouldn't move Mitch if it was the difference between AD no AD? What about if putting Mitch in the deal let you keep the 2019 pick? Or DSJr?

I still say no, as Mitch could solve the frontcourt defensively not only during the 4 year run, but AFTER, but still. It's AD.
I'm on the fence in theoretical situations.
Since I don't there is any chance of getting AD, I rest easy.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I think Spurs pick Frank up if he's available. The Spurs have 2 late first round picks and I think they give 1 up for Frank. Pop may think he can develop Frank into another Kawhi.

I could see this.

As a corollary - when Pop comes calling for your young player, you should hang up the phone.

waaaait a minute...

[Stannis]

He won't net you a first round pick....

At this point, Frank's value is very low. You may as well just hold onto him. He's not significant enough to make a difference in a blockbuster deal either.

[NYKAL]

I’ll burn all this **** down

How don’t they see the defensive potential of Mitch + Frank.

This is my biggest issue and i've been saying this but Fiz keeps talking about defense but barely played Frank when he was healthy and now they wanna look into trade Frank. We only have a few guys on this team that play defense right now and Frank is obviously one of them so why trade him. If we are gonna get some max guys in here that will do most of our scoring then they will need defenders on the court with them which Frank would be perfect for at PG, SG or SF which he can easily defend at all 3 positions.

It’s not just Fiz it’s management. They acquired Mudiay and Trey Burke last season when it was supposed to be Frank that needed to get the bulk of the minutes once they gave up on the season. They don’t view him as a legitimate point guard, but I agree that his versatility and defensive ability should make him a guy that they’d like to keep as a glue guy.

100%

[HEZI]

He won't net you a first round pick....

At this point, Frank's value is very low. You may as well just hold onto him. He's not significant enough to make a difference in a blockbuster deal either.

There won't be minutes for him next year so why keep him?

[Knicks Byke]

he wouldve been perfect for the triangle. hopefully he stays but i see him getting moved on draft night.

[BowlRips]

I just want to see him play the rest of the season.. any update on his availability for Saturday?

Also am i lit that I just put down a $250 deposit on season tickets

[ChaosHamster]

Frank is gonna be making 5mil. Its a lot for a guy who is a pure project.

Frank would be an ideal 2nd round pick. You just stash him either in Europe or at the end of your bench and see what he looks like in 3-5 years. He can still be a decent player.

His 5 mil is just too much to keep around for nothing.

[Fat Kat]

he wouldve been perfect for the triangle. hopefully he stays but i see him getting moved on draft night.

You need to be able to hit a jumper in the triangle. Frank just needs to improve before he’s a fit in any system.

[3toheadmelo]

the writing was on the wall since we signed Mudiay and called up Burke. that boy gone.

[Stannis]

He won't net you a first round pick....

At this point, Frank's value is very low. You may as well just hold onto him. He's not significant enough to make a difference in a blockbuster deal either.

There won't be minutes for him next year so why keep him?

If we are assuming Knicks are getting a PG in FA, Frank can still be a defensive specialist on the wing. He doesn't have to play at PG.

Realistically, I just don't know what the Knicks can actually get for him.

[HEZI]

Frank is gonna be making 5mil. Its a lot for a guy who is a pure project.

Frank would be an ideal 2nd round pick. You just stash him either in Eur
ope or at the end of your bench and see what he looks like in 3-5 years. He can still be a decent player.

His 5 mil is just too much to keep around for nothing.

Bingo! You can replace him for much cheaper. Guys like him aren't lotto material. Matysse Thybulle will be going 2nd round

[br7knicks]

Kyrie nor kemba are coming. Nor should they.

How is frank not the ideal wing player next to Dsjr?

Defense first, to cover better backcourt opponent so Dsjr doesn't have to. High IQ, so he knows where to go and what to do when he doesn't have the ball. Supposed to be a nice spot up 3 point shooter - Dsjr has shown he looks for those guys, and is ept at getting to the rim and kicking out. Don't bother giving me Frank's 3 pt stats. He's a spot up 3 pt shooter, and hasn't had a chance to have a good teammate to help create that open space.

If Knicks get rid of him without seeing if it'll workout, then my faith in this franchise will continue to plummet

[blueNorange]

the writing was on the wall since we signed Mudiay and called up Burke. that boy gone.

signing crap players doesn’t mean anything.

also hopefully this means franks gets playing time to regain any value.

[Stannis]

He will turn 21 this summer. If Knicks want to trade him, I would rather explore trading him after the summer just to see if he made any improvement or not.

That being said, I guess Dallas didn't want Frank? It seemed like the perfect spot since they like Europeon players. Or maybe Dallas just didn't want to give up more assets?

[SmoothLefty21]

If we can get a first for him then I'll at least understand it. If we move him for a 2nd rounder I'll be heated. Kid will eventually have a nice role in this league.

[br7knicks]

If they're not gonna give him a consistent role or put effort into developing him, get value while you can. Let him go somewhere the coach will value defensive play.

Or bring in a coach who actually value and emphasizes defense, not just preach that he'll do it.

Defense wins. Most people here, and the FO, want to see fun and scoring, not winning.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Really not sure what value Frank has at this point. I don't think you get a first for him, especially if Fiz is intent on playing Mudiay for the rest of the season. Even with Frank's shaky offense, he ran the team better than Mudiay ever did.

I do wonder what DSJ can bring back in a trade, though.

[br7knicks]

I’ll burn all this **** down

How don’t they see the defensive potential of Mitch + Frank.

This franchise is just so nonsensical and embarrassing