Giannis - 2X MVP - FMVP - DPOY - Offseason discussion

[WeekapaugGroove]

He sounds like one of those guys who leans into playing the contrarian to go against the grain. I'm sure that every local sports market has a few of those.

Nates the type who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. So if one of his takes proves wrong hell just dig in and move the goal posts.

He can sound smart but once you see this bias first hand with a team you root for you realize everything about him is a sham and not worth your time. It's not just the bucks that are in his blindspot.

Pencil dick loser vibes are strong with him.

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[Magic Giannison]

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[Jurassic_Park]

I have Giannis at 9 to 1 to win mvp. Someone tell me there is still a chance. Bummed he is sitting today. Would have been an easy W while dominating.

Either need mil to have a much better record than Den while having Giannis miss no more games, or need Jokic to start missing some

[CharityStripe34]

Only way Jokic is going to miss games is if/when the Nuggets clinch the Conference. Gianni/Bucks have to both go on a tear with big wins against contenders (Boston/Philly/Warriors/Suns) on nationally televised games, with Freak having huge statistical games. And even then he'll be more likely to be battling Embiid for 2nd (assuming Embiid also goes on a huge run).

[skbucks1985]

I have Giannis at 9 to 1 to win mvp. Someone tell me there is still a chance. Bummed he is sitting today. Would have been an easy W while dominating.

Either need mil to have a much better record than Den while having Giannis miss no more games, or need Jokic to start missing some

The backlash that is occurring to the Jokic MVP candidacy, right now it seems like his supporters aren't budging. But that may just be the most vocal of them. I bring this up not to litigate or relitigate that conversation. But rather to make this point that if there are people reconsidering, Giannis is a really safe MVP pick. And that's especially the case if they wind up with the best record in the NBA.

[Prez]

The Jokic push is way, waaaay too strong. Giannis isn’t winning MVP this year barring A) some totally insane 38-15 type stretch the rest of the way where we lose no more than like 1-2 games, B) Jokic getting hurt, or C) the Nuggets utterly collapsing.

Like can we talk about Zach Lowe’s 10 things piece from today, where one of the 10 things was supposed to be about Michael Porter Jr., but he ends up spending like 80% of it writing about Jokic, including this opening paragraph just going at Embiid (total strawman too) lol.

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[CharityStripe34]

I have Giannis at 9 to 1 to win mvp. Someone tell me there is still a chance. Bummed he is sitting today. Would have been an easy W while dominating.

Either need mil to have a much better record than Den while having Giannis miss no more games, or need Jokic to start missing some

The backlash that is occurring to the Jokic MVP candidacy, right now it seems like his supporters aren't budging. But that may just be the most vocal of them. I bring this up not to litigate or relitigate that conversation. But rather to make this point that if there are people reconsidering, Giannis is a really safe MVP pick. And that's especially the case if they wind up with the best record in the NBA.

People are getting lost in the stupid Perkins/JJ Reddick stuff, but we may have arrived to a point where there's sort of a battle between counting stats/team-record/narrative vs. advanced stats/analytics. Westbrook winning the award in 2017 with OKC as a 6-seed opened the door to the "Solo Superstar putting up huge numbers on a middling squad" getting legitimate MVP votes. Like Curry being 3rd in 2021 over Gianni because he had "his best statistical season" and dragged the Warriors to a 7 seed. Some people are enamored with elite floor-raising.

[skbucks1985]

I have Giannis at 9 to 1 to win mvp. Someone tell me there is still a chance. Bummed he is sitting today. Would have been an easy W while dominating.

Either need mil to have a much better record than Den while having Giannis miss no more games, or need Jokic to start missing some

The backlash that is occurring to the Jokic MVP candidacy, right now it seems like his supporters aren't budging. But that may just be the most vocal of them. I bring this up not to litigate or relitigate that conversation. But rather to make this point that if there are people reconsidering, Giannis is a really safe MVP pick. And that's especially the case if they wind up with the best record in the NBA.

People are getting lost in the stupid Perkins/JJ Reddick stuff, but we may have arrived to a point where there's sort of a battle between counting stats/team-record/narrative vs. advanced stats/analytics. Westbrook winning the award in 2017 with OKC as a 6-seed opened the door to the "Solo Superstar putting up huge numbers on a middling squad" getting legitimate MVP votes. Like Curry being 3rd in 2021 over Gianni because he had "his best statistical season" and dragged the Warriors to a 7 seed. Some people are enamored with elite floor-raising.

The thing is you can still make the case for Giannis over Jokic based on the advanced stats, its certainly not the strongest argument but its there especially when you use the defensive numbers. And so if you don't want to take a side in this, for lack of a better term, basketball culture war Giannis is a very safe landing place.

[CharityStripe34]

The backlash that is occurring to the Jokic MVP candidacy, right now it seems like his supporters aren't budging. But that may just be the most vocal of them. I bring this up not to litigate or relitigate that conversation. But rather to make this point that if there are people reconsidering, Giannis is a really safe MVP pick. And that's especially the case if they wind up with the best record in the NBA.

People are getting lost in the stupid Perkins/JJ Reddick stuff, but we may have arrived to a point where there's sort of a battle between counting stats/team-record/narrative vs. advanced stats/analytics. Westbrook winning the award in 2017 with OKC as a 6-seed opened the door to the "Solo Superstar putting up huge numbers on a middling squad" getting legitimate MVP votes. Like Curry being 3rd in 2021 over Gianni because he had "his best statistical season" and dragged the Warriors to a 7 seed. Some people are enamored with elite floor-raising.

The thing is you can still make the case for Giannis over Jokic based on the advanced stats, its certainly not the strongest argument but its there especially when you use the defensive numbers. And so if you don't want to take a side in this, for lack of a better term, basketball culture war Giannis is a very safe landing place.

I agree the whole narrative of "JOKIC IS RUNNING AWAY WITH IT, NO ONE ELSE IS EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET!!" is idiotic. It's a close race as the three leaders are having excellent seasons.

[skbucks1985]

People are getting lost in the stupid Perkins/JJ Reddick stuff, but we may have arrived to a point where there's sort of a battle between counting stats/team-record/narrative vs. advanced stats/analytics. Westbrook winning the award in 2017 with OKC as a 6-seed opened the door to the "Solo Superstar putting up huge numbers on a middling squad" getting legitimate MVP votes. Like Curry being 3rd in 2021 over Gianni because he had "his best statistical season" and dragged the Warriors to a 7 seed. Some people are enamored with elite floor-raising.

The thing is you can still make the case for Giannis over Jokic based on the advanced stats, its certainly not the strongest argument but its there especially when you use the defensive numbers. And so if you don't want to take a side in this, for lack of a better term, basketball culture war Giannis is a very safe landing place.

I agree the whole narrative of "JOKIC IS RUNNING AWAY WITH IT, NO ONE ELSE IS EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET!!" is idiotic. It's a close race as the three leaders are having excellent seasons.

I don't know if it is a close race, if you think it is a close race I'd suggest putting some money on Giannis and/or Embiid. Because as of this writing, on Draft Kings, Jokic is the heavy favorite at -310 while Embiid is +320 and Giannis is +650. I certainly agree that it should be. As someone that likes to watch the world burn just a little bit, the result I'm kinda cheering for is Giannis wins because all of the Giannis and Embiid voters vote the other guy 2nd and so Giannis wins because he gets 30 first place votes and 65 2nd place votes and 5 third place votes while Jokic gets 40 first place votes, but only 10 2nd place votes and 50 third place votes.

[CharityStripe34]

The thing is you can still make the case for Giannis over Jokic based on the advanced stats, its certainly not the strongest argument but its there especially when you use the defensive numbers. And so if you don't want to take a side in this, for lack of a better term, basketball culture war Giannis is a very safe landing place.

I agree the whole narrative of "JOKIC IS RUNNING AWAY WITH IT, NO ONE ELSE IS EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET!!" is idiotic. It's a close race as the three leaders are having excellent seasons.

I don't know if it is a close race, if you think it is a close race I'd suggest putting some money on Giannis and/or Embiid. Because as of this writing, on Draft Kings, Jokic is the heavy favorite at -310 while Embiid is +320 and Giannis is +650. I certainly agree that it should be. As someone that likes to watch the world burn just a little bit, the result I'm kinda cheering for is Giannis wins because all of the Giannis and Embiid voters vote the other guy 2nd and so Giannis wins because he gets 30 first place votes and 65 2nd place votes and 5 third place votes while Jokic gets 40 first place votes, but only 10 2nd place votes and 50 third place votes.

I didn't mean the Vegas odds as I don't gamble and could care less. I just meant as far as, seemingly, many voters thinking it's a wide gap/done deal/etc. All signs are pointing to Jokic winning. Which is fine as he's a deserving candidate and a great player.

For either Gianni or Embiid to *potentially* win they'll have to go on a ridiculous tear, and both teams have to finish as a top seed (at worst second).

[skbucks1985]

I agree the whole narrative of "JOKIC IS RUNNING AWAY WITH IT, NO ONE ELSE IS EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET!!" is idiotic. It's a close race as the three leaders are having excellent seasons.

I don't know if it is a close race, if you think it is a close race I'd suggest putting some money on Giannis and/or Embiid. Because as of this writing, on Draft Kings, Jokic is the heavy favorite at -310 while Embiid is +320 and Giannis is +650. I certainly agree that it should be. As someone that likes to watch the world burn just a little bit, the result I'm kinda cheering for is Giannis wins because all of the Giannis and Embiid voters vote the other guy 2nd and so Giannis wins because he gets 30 first place votes and 65 2nd place votes and 5 third place votes while Jokic gets 40 first place votes, but only 10 2nd place votes and 50 third place votes.

I didn't mean the Vegas odds as I don't gamble and could care less. I just meant as far as, seemingly, many voters thinking it's a wide gap/done deal/etc. All signs are pointing to Jokic winning. Which is fine as he's a deserving candidate and a great player.

For either Gianni or Embiid to *potentially* win they'll have to go on a ridiculous tear, and both teams have to finish as a top seed (at worst second).

I didn't bring up the odds to try to push you into gambling, the suggestion of putting money on it was very much a tongue-in-cheek one. I brought it up to point out that Jokic is a heavy favorite and whatever value you may put on odds, they are a very good summation of the conventional wisdom at that moment. And the conventional wisdom at this moment is that Jokic is a prohibitive favorite.

For the record, I'm much more down on Jokic as an MVP candidate than almost anyone and have him a fairly distant 3rd right now.

[CharityStripe34]

I don't know if it is a close race, if you think it is a close race I'd suggest putting some money on Giannis and/or Embiid. Because as of this writing, on Draft Kings, Jokic is the heavy favorite at -310 while Embiid is +320 and Giannis is +650. I certainly agree that it should be. As someone that likes to watch the world burn just a little bit, the result I'm kinda cheering for is Giannis wins because all of the Giannis and Embiid voters vote the other guy 2nd and so Giannis wins because he gets 30 first place votes and 65 2nd place votes and 5 third place votes while Jokic gets 40 first place votes, but only 10 2nd place votes and 50 third place votes.

I didn't mean the Vegas odds as I don't gamble and could care less. I just meant as far as, seemingly, many voters thinking it's a wide gap/done deal/etc. All signs are pointing to Jokic winning. Which is fine as he's a deserving candidate and a great player.

For either Gianni or Embiid to *potentially* win they'll have to go on a ridiculous tear, and both teams have to finish as a top seed (at worst second).

I didn't bring up the odds to try to push you into gambling, the suggestion of putting money on it was very much a tongue-in-cheek one. I brought it up to point out that Jokic is a heavy favorite and whatever value you may put on odds, they are a very good summation of the conventional wisdom at that moment. And the conventional wisdom at this moment is that Jokic is a prohibitive favorite.

For the record, I'm much more down on Jokic as an MVP candidate than almost anyone and have him a fairly distant 3rd right now.

Lol, my vice is strip clubs as opposed to casinos/gambling.

[KidA24]

The Jokic push is way, waaaay too strong. Giannis isn’t winning MVP this year barring A) some totally insane 38-15 type stretch the rest of the way where we lose no more than like 1-2 games, B) Jokic getting hurt, or C) the Nuggets utterly collapsing.

Like can we talk about Zach Lowe’s 10 things piece from today, where one of the 10 things was supposed to be about Michael Porter Jr., but he ends up spending like 80% of it writing about Jokic, including this opening paragraph just going at Embiid (total strawman too) lol.

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Nah man, he was just calling the people who say they can't vote for Jokic because he hasn't been to the finals hypocrites as they stump for Embiid. Zach is just pissed at the hypocrisy.

[HKPackFan]

I didn't mean the Vegas odds as I don't gamble and could care less. I just meant as far as, seemingly, many voters thinking it's a wide gap/done deal/etc. All signs are pointing to Jokic winning. Which is fine as he's a deserving candidate and a great player.

For either Gianni or Embiid to *potentially* win they'll have to go on a ridiculous tear, and both teams have to finish as a top seed (at worst second).

I didn't bring up the odds to try to push you into gambling, the suggestion of putting money on it was very much a tongue-in-cheek one. I brought it up to point out that Jokic is a heavy favorite and whatever value you may put on odds, they are a very good summation of the conventional wisdom at that moment. And the conventional wisdom at this moment is that Jokic is a prohibitive favorite.

For the record, I'm much more down on Jokic as an MVP candidate than almost anyone and have him a fairly distant 3rd right now.

Lol, my vice is strip clubs as opposed to casinos/gambling.

Looks like next realgm meet up venue can be narrowed down some.

[HKPackFan]

Incredibly short sample size, but 4 games into March and Giannis is shooting 42.9% from three and more importantly 81.4% on FTs.


from three its very small: 5/9 (but I love it's only 2-3 shots a game). And on FTs it's 41/50 which is amazing!!! (Feb was his second lowest of the season at 62.5% FTs with 7 full games played, so it's a nice bounce back so far).

We know he can have several good games in a row in FTs and then have 1-2 absolute crappers, but good to see a great start from the FT line this month.

[greekbuck34]

Incredibly short sample size, but 4 games into March and Giannis is shooting 42.9% from three and more importantly 81.4% on FTs.


from three its very small: 5/9 (but I love it's only 2-3 shots a game). And on FTs it's 41/50 which is amazing!!! (Feb was his second lowest of the season at 62.5% FTs with 7 full games played, so it's a nice bounce back so far).

We know he can have several good games in a row in FTs and then have 1-2 absolute crappers, but good to see a great start from the FT line this month.

Dude Giannis is shooting for 38% from the 3p line in his last 20 games. He is shooting like that for two months since our big win streak begun at 1/10. His FTs will always be streaky, both in game and in between halfs or for a few days though.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Giannis is up to 123 on the All Time Scoring list passing pistol pete and Kiki. Tonight he should easily pass Amare, Rasheed, and Derek Harper.

Too bad Giannis had those 2 single digit minutes games. Without them, he would be at 32.6PPG and the casual fans would bunch him a little closer to Embiid in terms of offense.

[HKPackFan]

Incredibly short sample size, but 4 games into March and Giannis is shooting 42.9% from three and more importantly 81.4% on FTs.


from three its very small: 5/9 (but I love it's only 2-3 shots a game). And on FTs it's 41/50 which is amazing!!! (Feb was his second lowest of the season at 62.5% FTs with 7 full games played, so it's a nice bounce back so far).

We know he can have several good games in a row in FTs and then have 1-2 absolute crappers, but good to see a great start from the FT line this month.

Sorry guys my bad... But my theory is its a fatigue thing.

He shorts them when he's tired.

His worst slumps seem to be when he's just overall tired.

[drdrG]

If the Bucks finish with 60 wins, Giannis has a 40+/10+/5+ game or two against Denver and Boston and we are 5 clear of any team for the best record, he might just pull it off...