Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[docholliday99]

I was wondering if there already might be a deal in place for Lillard by a non-Miami team, and that team is waiting until the last possible moment for the best chance that Dame might soften his stance/ be in a better place to go somewhere else.

For example if Dame was traded a month a go, he could have still had a strong resolve to be in Miami, and perhaps not given that team a chance. The first impression would have been a negative one all around, and impacted the ability for the team and Dame to have a good relationship moving forward.

As we get closer to training camp, Dame is no doubt wanting to get things done and maybe realizes that just being on a competitive team is what he wants. In this scenario if he gets traded he's now more open to being on a non Miami team, and his intro to the team goes more smoothly, and is a better start to the relationship.

Dames been around the league for awhile and has Aaron Goodwin as his agent, there's not a lot of scenarios that would surprise these 2 - if we can postulate it, they've seen it or thought of it as well. Dame's shown himself to be patient and I don't see his resolve changing now, whether Portland waits closer to training camp or even the deadline, I think Dame's prepared to wait.

Question though, has Portland maintained radio silence with the Heat?

[YogurtProducer]

All of this comes down to whether you prefer to take a 1 or at max 2 year shot at a title and then crumble again like the last 3 years or whether you would prefer to re-tool completely.

Personally, I have no appetite for winning for one year with a good team and then sucking again and I feel like neither does Masai. That Leonard situation was a good lesson that winning for one year with no sustained success doesn't give the same vibes. Lillard is old. Lillard's skills will diminish in the next couple of years. There's a ton of history behind this. You're essentially putting yourself in cap hell where your team will be stuck with bad contracts for at least two years that can't be moved, even if you do win.

The Kawhi experiment was a huge success even if it's only for one year. With the way the Raps were ran in its history I never thought we would win a title in my lifetime. It was all worth it. The mistake masai made was not selling off or assets the moment Kawhi left. He let let them walk for nothing which is why we're in this spot.

Yeah IDK what the hell he means about the "same vibes"

That 2019-20 team after Kawhi left was still **** awesome, and who knows what we look like in 2020-21 if we are not playing in Tampa and practicing in a hotel ballroom.

[OakleyDokely]

All of this comes down to whether you prefer to take a 1 or at max 2 year shot at a title and then crumble again like the last 3 years or whether you would prefer to re-tool completely.

Personally, I have no appetite for winning for one year with a good team and then sucking again and I feel like neither does Masai. That Leonard situation was a good lesson that winning for one year with no sustained success doesn't give the same vibes. Lillard is old. Lillard's skills will diminish in the next couple of years. There's a ton of history behind this. You're essentially putting yourself in cap hell where your team will be stuck with bad contracts for at least two years that can't be moved, even if you do win.

The Kawhi experiment was a huge success even if it's only for one year. With the way the Raps were ran in its history I never thought we would win a title in my lifetime. It was all worth it. The mistake masai made was not selling off or assets the moment Kawhi left. He let let them walk for nothing which is why we're in this spot.

Yeah IDK what the hell he means about the "same vibes"

That 2019-20 team after Kawhi left was still **** awesome, and who knows what we look like in 2020-21 if we are not playing in Tampa and practicing in a hotel ballroom.

People forget just how good the team after the championship was. If it wasn't for the shortened season, they would've likely reached 60 wins. The only teams with a better net rating that season were MIL, LAC, BOS.

The team had a great mix of youth and vets. Very good starting lineup of Lowry/VV/OG/Siakam/Gasol with Ibaka/Powell off the bench.

I think Masai should've been more aggressive to add to the team, not subtract.

[Tha Cynic]

The Kawhi experiment was a huge success even if it's only for one year. With the way the Raps were ran in its history I never thought we would win a title in my lifetime. It was all worth it. The mistake masai made was not selling off or assets the moment Kawhi left. He let let them walk for nothing which is why we're in this spot.

Yeah IDK what the hell he means about the "same vibes"

That 2019-20 team after Kawhi left was still **** awesome, and who knows what we look like in 2020-21 if we are not playing in Tampa and practicing in a hotel ballroom.

People forget just how good the team after the championship was. If it wasn't for the shortened season, they would've likely reached 60 wins. The only teams with a better net rating that season were MIL, LAC, BOS.

The team had a great mix of youth and vets. Very good starting lineup of Lowry/VV/OG/Siakam/Gasol with Ibaka/Powell off the bench.

I think Masai should've been more aggressive to add to the team, not subtract.

This team would not have anywhere that team did. That's my point. We're going for a two year window and then going into the gutter again. I also have serious doubts we win a championship with this iteration of the team and Dame. The team we're comparing them to had elite support players and most of them were young. This trade proposes trading away our only blue chip prospect for a one or at best two year run and then being in cap hell with most likely our most recent available pick also gone. Not the same scenario at all.

The reason why that trade was made in the first place was because Masai was ready to take a one year run and then blow it up. That's why Derozan was in the deal.

[JB7]

Yeah IDK what the hell he means about the "same vibes"

That 2019-20 team after Kawhi left was still **** awesome, and who knows what we look like in 2020-21 if we are not playing in Tampa and practicing in a hotel ballroom.

People forget just how good the team after the championship was. If it wasn't for the shortened season, they would've likely reached 60 wins. The only teams with a better net rating that season were MIL, LAC, BOS.

The team had a great mix of youth and vets. Very good starting lineup of Lowry/VV/OG/Siakam/Gasol with Ibaka/Powell off the bench.

I think Masai should've been more aggressive to add to the team, not subtract.

This team would not have anywhere that team did. That's my point. We're going for a two year window and then going into the gutter again. I also have serious doubts we win a championship with this iteration of the team and Dame. The team we're comparing them to had elite support players and most of them were young. This trade proposes trading away our only blue chip prospect for a one or at best two year run and then being in cap hell with most likely our most recent available pick also gone. Not the same scenario at all.

The reason why that trade was made in the first place was because Masai was ready to take a one year run and then blow it up. That's why Derozan was in the deal.

That is exactly the point on the Kawhi deal. The reason it happened was:
1) Masai was looking to move DD's contract, and other contracts expiring before Giannis' FA (trying to clear cap space for Giannis), and therefore was willing to take a player most likely to walk at year end
2) Other teams were not willing to take a chance on Kawhi, knowing he was intent on going to LA
3) Pops probably wanted to send him to the furthest place from LA

[YogurtProducer]

Yeah IDK what the hell he means about the "same vibes"

That 2019-20 team after Kawhi left was still **** awesome, and who knows what we look like in 2020-21 if we are not playing in Tampa and practicing in a hotel ballroom.

People forget just how good the team after the championship was. If it wasn't for the shortened season, they would've likely reached 60 wins. The only teams with a better net rating that season were MIL, LAC, BOS.

The team had a great mix of youth and vets. Very good starting lineup of Lowry/VV/OG/Siakam/Gasol with Ibaka/Powell off the bench.

I think Masai should've been more aggressive to add to the team, not subtract.

This team would not have anywhere that team did. That's my point. We're going for a two year window and then going into the gutter again. I also have serious doubts we win a championship with this iteration of the team and Dame. The team we're comparing them to had elite support players and most of them were young. This trade proposes trading away our only blue chip prospect for a one or at best two year run and then being in cap hell with most likely our most recent available pick also gone. Not the same scenario at all.

The reason why that trade was made in the first place was because Masai was ready to take a one year run and then blow it up. That's why Derozan was in the deal.

Elite support players and most are young?

Lowry was not young. Gasol/Ibaka were not young. Siakam/OG/FVV/Anunoby/Powell was all that we really retained, and I don’t know how that core is any better or worse than Siakam/OG/GTJ/Poeltl/Achiwua/Dick/Barnes (or whoever would be retained after a deal).

People seem to act like Siakam/OG/Poeltl are old or something like they’re not gonna be high quality basketball players for 5+ years still.

The league is so wide open right now. Not rebuilding or going in to win just seems foolish to me. Barnes is like less than 24 months away from also getting a max deal and then all we’re doing then is wishing we had another start to play with him like we are right now with Siakam, whose simply just a better version of Scottie at this point in time.

[HumbleRen]

I know some of you guys are desperate to fully maximize this window if Dame comes but we've seen it in the playoffs time after time. You need multiple ball handlers that can bend defences with their passing when their shots aren't falling.

You keep the more dynamic player with higher upside that is also under team control for the next several years. Give up the player who is literally an unrestricted agent at the end of the year. It's borderline malpractice to give up Scottie instead of OG.

[Fairview4Life]

I know some of you guys are desperate to fully maximize this window if Dame comes but we've seen it in the playoffs time after time. You need multiple ball handlers that can bend defences with their passing when their shots aren't falling.

You keep the more dynamic player with higher upside that is also under team control for the next several years. Give up the player who is literally an unrestricted agent at the end of the year. It's borderline malpractice to give up Scottie instead of OG.

That's fine but I don't know what incentive Portland would have to trade for OG. It would seemingly be borderline malpractice on their end to trade for the literal unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and not Scottie.

[HumbleRen]

I know some of you guys are desperate to fully maximize this window if Dame comes but we've seen it in the playoffs time after time. You need multiple ball handlers that can bend defences with their passing when their shots aren't falling.

You keep the more dynamic player with higher upside that is also under team control for the next several years. Give up the player who is literally an unrestricted agent at the end of the year. It's borderline malpractice to give up Scottie instead of OG.

That's fine but I don't know what incentive Portland would have to trade for OG. It would seemingly be borderline malpractice on their end to trade for the literal unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and not Scottie.

What's our incentive in trading our only appealing trade chip under long term team control when the market out there has no one offering any package that comes close to value ?

It just feels like pure desperation on our end. Like the competition's best offer is Tyler Herro who would take minutes away from Scoot, Sharpe and Simons. There's no way I'm offering our best trade chip when that's the case.

[Tha Cynic]

People forget just how good the team after the championship was. If it wasn't for the shortened season, they would've likely reached 60 wins. The only teams with a better net rating that season were MIL, LAC, BOS.

The team had a great mix of youth and vets. Very good starting lineup of Lowry/VV/OG/Siakam/Gasol with Ibaka/Powell off the bench.

I think Masai should've been more aggressive to add to the team, not subtract.

This team would not have anywhere that team did. That's my point. We're going for a two year window and then going into the gutter again. I also have serious doubts we win a championship with this iteration of the team and Dame. The team we're comparing them to had elite support players and most of them were young. This trade proposes trading away our only blue chip prospect for a one or at best two year run and then being in cap hell with most likely our most recent available pick also gone. Not the same scenario at all.

The reason why that trade was made in the first place was because Masai was ready to take a one year run and then blow it up. That's why Derozan was in the deal.

Elite support players and most are young?

Lowry was not young. Gasol/Ibaka were not young. Siakam/OG/FVV/Anunoby/Powell was all that we really retained, and I don’t know how that core is any better or worse than Siakam/OG/GTJ/Poeltl/Achiwua/Dick/Barnes (or whoever would be retained after a deal).

People seem to act like Siakam/OG/Poeltl are old or something like they’re not gonna be high quality basketball players for 5+ years still.

The league is so wide open right now. Not rebuilding or going in to win just seems foolish to me. Barnes is like less than 24 months away from also getting a max deal and then all we’re doing then is wishing we had another start to play with him like we are right now with Siakam, whose simply just a better version of Scottie at this point in time.

Dude, they literally built a team around Siakam, and FVV right after. They were elite support players and young lol. Where was the lie?

What prescedence do you see that makes you think Siakam is going to be at high level for his style of game at the age of 34, especially the style and position he plays? Poeltl and OG are support players. Their abilities are are not going to matter if Siakam and Lillard are done lol.

Do you not think Masai would have already thought this through and pulled the trigger?

I see only one scenario where the Raptors trade Barnes for Dame and that's if they're not happy with where he's at this year. That can still happen.

[Clay Davis]

Dame Dolla shot calla rizzman

[OAKLEY_2]

This thread should be called: Damian Lillard declares to league that he has filed the paperwork to not report to Toronto Raptors should he ever be traded there. Adam Silver says: no comment as this may come across his desk at some point. -SHAMS

[YogurtProducer]

You said, and I quote:

the team we're comparing them to had elite support players and most of them were young.".

I assume by young you are referring to

Siakam (2nd-3rd option - 24 YO)
FVV (bench piece - 24 YO)
OG (bench piece - 21 YO)
Powell (bench piece - 25 YO)

but the rest of the roster was really, really old. Lowry (32), Gasol (34), Ibaka (29, but an old 29 with a zillion miles) & Green (31). And then outside Boucher (26), no real prospects in the pipeline.

Our current makeup as a whole is more in the middle than that old team. Siakam (29), OG (26), Scottie (22), GTJ (24), Jak (28), Precious (24), Koloko (23), Dick (19), McDaniels (25), Schroder (30 today actually!).

Say it is Barnes and salary filler (Schroder / Boucher / Thad / OPJ) we are still in a position of a team that has young "enough" guys to be competitive for a few years. Or you could go the OG + stuff route as well which helps the cap hell we would be about to enter.

You also said, and I quote:

The reason why that trade was made in the first place was because Masai was ready to take a one year run and then blow it up.

Considering we still have dudes like Siakam on the team, and signed a vet like Schroder, what makes you think that Masai might not be in that same mindset right now to go all in with Dame/Siakam and then if it does not work just blow it up later?

What prescedence do you see that makes you think Siakam is going to be at high level for his style of game at the age of 34, especially the style and position he plays? Poeltl and OG are support players. Their abilities are are not going to matter if Siakam and Lillard are done lol.

5 years for Siakam puts him at age 33 to start 2027. OG would be what, 30? Poeltl 32? Guys don't turn 30 and suddenly just forget how to play ball, especially guys who are not overly dependent on athleticism.

Say we don't trade for Dame. Is Poeltl and OG's abilities going to matter playing with a 22 year old Barnes who probably won't ever get as good as Siakam, let alone Dame? I just don't think you fully appreciate or grasp how few players get to an all-nba level (and in Dames case, an MVP level. 32/6/5 on 65TS% is just nutty)

Do you not think Masai would have already thought this through and pulled the trigger?

Do you think trades are made because 1 side wants to? The asking price in Portland is currently way to high and it will likely come down. They are holding out for their Phoenix Suns to come around... but I don't see any other team coming out of the woodwork to suddenly offer the godfather deal they want.

[JRoy]

I know some of you guys are desperate to fully maximize this window if Dame comes but we've seen it in the playoffs time after time. You need multiple ball handlers that can bend defences with their passing when their shots aren't falling.

You keep the more dynamic player with higher upside that is also under team control for the next several years. Give up the player who is literally an unrestricted agent at the end of the year. It's borderline malpractice to give up Scottie instead of OG.

That's fine but I don't know what incentive Portland would have to trade for OG. It would seemingly be borderline malpractice on their end to trade for the literal unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and not Scottie.

What's our incentive in trading our only appealing trade chip under long term team control when the market out there has no one offering any package that comes close to value ?

It just feels like pure desperation on our end. Like the competition's best offer is Tyler Herro who would take minutes away from Scoot, Sharpe and Simons. There's no way I'm offering our best trade chip when that's the case.

Zero interest in OG as the best piece. He is going to get (over) paid and I don’t want any part of that.

There is no fixing a Lillard to TOR deal with expiring OG as the best piece.

[HumbleRen]

That's fine but I don't know what incentive Portland would have to trade for OG. It would seemingly be borderline malpractice on their end to trade for the literal unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and not Scottie.

What's our incentive in trading our only appealing trade chip under long term team control when the market out there has no one offering any package that comes close to value ?

It just feels like pure desperation on our end. Like the competition's best offer is Tyler Herro who would take minutes away from Scoot, Sharpe and Simons. There's no way I'm offering our best trade chip when that's the case.

Zero interest in OG as the best piece. He is going to get (over) paid and I don’t want any part of that.

There is no fixing a Lillard to TOR deal with expiring OG as the best piece.

Brother JRoy, I love you but I’m talking about hypotheticals. I promise you that the Portland FO doesn’t need you to speak for them at every turn.

[mtcan]

What's our incentive in trading our only appealing trade chip under long term team control when the market out there has no one offering any package that comes close to value ?

It just feels like pure desperation on our end. Like the competition's best offer is Tyler Herro who would take minutes away from Scoot, Sharpe and Simons. There's no way I'm offering our best trade chip when that's the case.

Zero interest in OG as the best piece. He is going to get (over) paid and I don’t want any part of that.

There is no fixing a Lillard to TOR deal with expiring OG as the best piece.

Brother JRoy, I love you but I’m talking about hypotheticals. I promise you that the Portland FO doesn’t need you to speak for them at every turn.

Dude...JRoy is actually Joe Cronin!!!

[JRoy]

What's our incentive in trading our only appealing trade chip under long term team control when the market out there has no one offering any package that comes close to value ?

It just feels like pure desperation on our end. Like the competition's best offer is Tyler Herro who would take minutes away from Scoot, Sharpe and Simons. There's no way I'm offering our best trade chip when that's the case.

Zero interest in OG as the best piece. He is going to get (over) paid and I don’t want any part of that.

There is no fixing a Lillard to TOR deal with expiring OG as the best piece.

Brother JRoy, I love you but I’m talking about hypotheticals. I promise you that the Portland FO doesn’t need you to speak for them at every turn.

Brother Ren, you know if there is a scrum I’m bound to get in it.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

That's fine but I don't know what incentive Portland would have to trade for OG. It would seemingly be borderline malpractice on their end to trade for the literal unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and not Scottie.

What's our incentive in trading our only appealing trade chip under long term team control when the market out there has no one offering any package that comes close to value ?

It just feels like pure desperation on our end. Like the competition's best offer is Tyler Herro who would take minutes away from Scoot, Sharpe and Simons. There's no way I'm offering our best trade chip when that's the case.

Zero interest in OG as the best piece. He is going to get (over) paid and I don’t want any part of that.

There is no fixing a Lillard to TOR deal with expiring OG as the best piece.

Yup, Barnes going out is the best fit for all

[HumbleRen]

Zero interest in OG as the best piece. He is going to get (over) paid and I don’t want any part of that.

There is no fixing a Lillard to TOR deal with expiring OG as the best piece.

Brother JRoy, I love you but I’m talking about hypotheticals. I promise you that the Portland FO doesn’t need you to speak for them at every turn.

Brother Ren, you know if there is a scrum I’m bound to get in it.

Only scrum you need to worry about is Heat’s poo poo platter for Dame

[Raptors Realtor]

What's our incentive in trading our only appealing trade chip under long term team control when the market out there has no one offering any package that comes close to value ?

It just feels like pure desperation on our end. Like the competition's best offer is Tyler Herro who would take minutes away from Scoot, Sharpe and Simons. There's no way I'm offering our best trade chip when that's the case.

Zero interest in OG as the best piece. He is going to get (over) paid and I don’t want any part of that.

There is no fixing a Lillard to TOR deal with expiring OG as the best piece.

Yup, Barnes going out is the best fit for all

That's probably true, but that's also why I can't get on board with a trade for Dame.