Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[NyCeEvO]

westbrook shot 52% his freshman year at UCLA...

Westbrook only played 9mpg and had only 51 FTA his freshman year.

You can make an argument that his free throws weren't coming in the flow of the game and therefore he was "cold" when shooting. In his sophomore year he played 34mpg and had a 71.3FT%.

Mudiay played 31mpg. There's no "He was cold and didn't have time to warm up" for him. I think it's a legit concern.

Mudiay had 47 FTA this year, he only played 12 games.

But he played 31mpg. Westbrook played 9mpg in his freshman year. That's a huge difference. We're comparing Mudiay's starter-like minutes to Westbrook's bench/reserve minutes in which he wasn't getting much playing time at all.

At least Westbrook has the excuse that he didn't play much and didn't get into a rhythm. Mudiay doesn't have that excuse.

I'm not trying to troll here. Maybe he can make a huge jump in free throw shooting but I just don't think the Westbrook comparison holds as much weight because he wasn't getting major minutes. Once he finally started playing 30+mpg, he proved that he was a decent free throw shooter.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Did I just hear Stephen A. say that all these executives showed up to the pre-draft camp in Chicago, but Phil was the only one who didn't show up? I also heard that we barely scouted Mudiay at all knowing damn well we had the highest possibility of picking 4th. I don't trust this franchise at all...why are we always so incompetent?

SAS making **** up as usual...there are players from the camp saying they met with Phil Jackson

And how the **** does he know if the Knicks scouted Mudiay? so Mils or Phil didnt go to China, does that mean the Knicks never sent a scout to his games? so Phil cant get ful game tapes?

Do yourself a favor, stop listening to guys like Woj, Isola and SAS when it comes to the Knicks, they have an agenda

All the whining is because people blindly listen to these guys who are trying to do precisely what has occurred...riled up fans who don't know any better. Phil met with players in Chicago and there have been reports of heavy scouting of Mudiay. You better believe Phil has seen tons of film on him.

Also, since 2005, a list of players outside the top 3:

2005 - Chris Paul (4th)
2006 - Brandon Roy (6th)
2007 - Mike Conley (4th), Joakim Noah (9th)
2008 - Russell Westbrook (4th), Kevin Love (5th)
2009 - Steph Curry (7th)
2010 - Demarcus Cousins (5th), Paul George (10th)
2011 - Klay Thompson (10th), Kawhi Leonard (15th)
2012 - Damian Lillard (6th), Andre Drummond (9th)
2013 - Nerlans Noel (6th), Giannis (15th)


I don't even have to list the guys who went before some of these players like OJ Mayo, Marvin Williams, Shelden Williams, Adam Morrison, Yi Jianlian, Michael Beasley, Hasheem Thabeet, Johnny Flynn, Wes Johnson, Jan Vessely, Thomas Robinson, Dion Waiters...on and on...

The whining on this site for this pick is unbelievable. Finally getting a top draft pick and nothing but bitching and you all don't even know what you are bitching about. Ooooo Russell is a star and Mudiay sucks...yes just like Westbrook was a terrible pick in 2008 with pundits giving the Sonics a bad draft grade...it's true, look it up. How did that turn out?

Who has said that Mudiay sucks? Most are perfectly fine with him. Many fear that the Knicks will do something stupid like trade the pick, trade down, or select Winslow or WCS. That's where the distrust (at least for me) comes from.

[Capn'O]

Marcus and other long time resident aliens can stay as long as their papers are up to date. You did fill out the proper paperwork when you started posting here, didn't you Marcus?

[E-Balla]

This dude is 19? Really?

He looks and talks like he is a veteran. Seems to be very mature for his age, I am liking the idea of Mudiay more and more.

He knows we have cap space and he knows we are aiming for the playoffs. He states he wants to be on top of his game for the fans and city. He also said he wants to be known as a winner and stay in the gym. Get this man!!!!

i love how heads are on here really fronting on him like taking him at #4 is some kind of L. dude probably won't be on the board!

They don't follow the draft and the NY media is calling for heads for no reason. Mudiay at the start of the college season was ranked #1 by most (including Chad Ford and DX), after his season in China he was still ranked 2nd by most (including Chad Ford and DX with talks of the Sixers taking him at 1st), and his stock never dropped. What happened is Okafor, Towns, and Russell played so well they passed him. Mudiay is the first overall pick in a lot of drafts.

Now personally I'm mad because I don't trust the front office and trading the pick sounds soooo James Dolan to me and drafting Porzingis (who is good but not a star IMO) seems like a very "Phil" move. We all know he loves his bigmen and he already has his star wing player. If they ship this pick or pick anyone outside of the top 4 guys (unless we find out Porzingis kills all his workouts) I'll have to force myself to stop caring about the Knicks completely.

[Obi-One]

I'll lose my sanity if we pass on an elite talent like Mudiay

[Marcus]

Marcus and other long time resident aliens can stay as long as their papers are up to date. You did fill out the proper paperwork, didn't you Marcus?

i got it around here somewhere i swear it.

[BeagleBoss]

westbrook shot 52% his freshman year at UCLA...

Westbrook only played 9mpg and had only 51 FTA his freshman year.

You can make an argument that his free throws weren't coming in the flow of the game and therefore he was "cold" when shooting. In his sophomore year he played 34mpg and had a 71.3FT%.

Mudiay played 31mpg. There's no "He was cold and didn't have time to warm up" for him. I think it's a legit concern.

Mudiay had 47 FTA this year, he only played 12 games.

China.

[E-Balla]

Marcus and other long time resident aliens can stay as long as their papers are up to date. You did fill out the proper paperwork, didn't you Marcus?

i got it around here somewhere i swear it.

It's his 326 posts in this thread.

I love how people show up out of nowhere half-trolling while trying to seem sincere like they don't know what they're doing.

"I'm here because this board has a lot of activity"

Why the hell haven't I seen you here before the lottery then? FOHWTBS.

[shtolky]

SAS making **** up as usual...there are players from the camp saying they met with Phil Jackson

And how the **** does he know if the Knicks scouted Mudiay? so Mils or Phil didnt go to China, does that mean the Knicks never sent a scout to his games? so Phil cant get ful game tapes?

Do yourself a favor, stop listening to guys like Woj, Isola and SAS when it comes to the Knicks, they have an agenda

All the whining is because people blindly listen to these guys who are trying to do precisely what has occurred...riled up fans who don't know any better. Phil met with players in Chicago and there have been reports of heavy scouting of Mudiay. You better believe Phil has seen tons of film on him.

Also, since 2005, a list of players outside the top 3:

2005 - Chris Paul (4th)
2006 - Brandon Roy (6th)
2007 - Mike Conley (4th), Joakim Noah (9th)
2008 - Russell Westbrook (4th), Kevin Love (5th)
2009 - Steph Curry (7th)
2010 - Demarcus Cousins (5th), Paul George (10th)
2011 - Klay Thompson (10th), Kawhi Leonard (15th)
2012 - Damian Lillard (6th), Andre Drummond (9th)
2013 - Nerlans Noel (6th), Giannis (15th)


I don't even have to list the guys who went before some of these players like OJ Mayo, Marvin Williams, Shelden Williams, Adam Morrison, Yi Jianlian, Michael Beasley, Hasheem Thabeet, Johnny Flynn, Wes Johnson, Jan Vessely, Thomas Robinson, Dion Waiters...on and on...

The whining on this site for this pick is unbelievable. Finally getting a top draft pick and nothing but bitching and you all don't even know what you are bitching about. Ooooo Russell is a star and Mudiay sucks...yes just like Westbrook was a terrible pick in 2008 with pundits giving the Sonics a bad draft grade...it's true, look it up. How did that turn out?

Who has said that Mudiay sucks? Most are perfectly fine with him. Many fear that the Knicks will do something stupid like trade the pick, trade down, or select Winslow or WCS. That's where the distrust (at least for me) comes from.

Obviously I'm not saying you are saying he sucks, but I've been reading posts here since last night and people seem down on Mudiay for whatever reason. Also, why the distrust? Phil wasn't around for prior bad decisions, so why be glass half empty when it comes to him? He even said himself that he wants to develop the pick and would only seriously CONSIDER trading the pick if it fell to 5. He isn't stupid and yet paranoia exists regarding Phil that is unwarranted simply because of history. Just like the worst record rarely gets the top spot showed you history doesn't mean much there (as the Wolves bucked that trend), do you really think Phil Jackson with 10 rings will pass up a franchise PG for someone who fits the system? Please.

[Queensgetmoney]

Lets be real Mudiay is going to be a top 3 point guard in 5 years. He's 6'5 how many PG's in the league have that kind of length and quickness. Mismatches on every possession especially if someone like Chris Paul is guarding him. He's a PG in an SG's body. Also we can shift him to the 2 or 3 with his physicality if teams play small ball.

[Rasho Brezec]

Ban every non-Knick fan posting here for the rest of the month.

whoa whoa whoa.....i think i've been pretty solid around here.

I'm a resentful ****. Nothing personal.

[E-Balla]

Westbrook only played 9mpg and had only 51 FTA his freshman year.

You can make an argument that his free throws weren't coming in the flow of the game and therefore he was "cold" when shooting. In his sophomore year he played 34mpg and had a 71.3FT%.

Mudiay played 31mpg. There's no "He was cold and didn't have time to warm up" for him. I think it's a legit concern.

Mudiay had 47 FTA this year, he only played 12 games.

China.

Yep. China and their different freethrow line.

[Marcus]

He knows we have cap space and he knows we are aiming for the playoffs. He states he wants to be on top of his game for the fans and city. He also said he wants to be known as a winner and stay in the gym. Get this man!!!!

i love how heads are on here really fronting on him like taking him at #4 is some kind of L. dude probably won't be on the board!

They don't follow the draft and the NY media is calling for heads for no reason. Mudiay at the start of the college season was ranked #1 by most (including Chad Ford and DX), after his season in China he was still ranked 2nd by most (including Chad Ford and DX with talks of the Sixers taking him at 1st), and his stock never dropped. What happened is Okafor, Towns, and Russell played so well they passed him. Mudiay is the first overall pick in a lot of drafts.

it also helps Jah and Co had more exposure with them playing college ball and Manny playing overseas. had he gone to SMU and people had the chance to see him there wouldn't be backlash to him landing 4th since he more than likely wouldn't have fallen in the first place. Manny is a great get if the Lakers or Philly don't snatch him before you guys get a shot at him.

[NyCeEvO]

Westbrook only played 9mpg and had only 51 FTA his freshman year.

You can make an argument that his free throws weren't coming in the flow of the game and therefore he was "cold" when shooting. In his sophomore year he played 34mpg and had a 71.3FT%.

Mudiay played 31mpg. There's no "He was cold and didn't have time to warm up" for him. I think it's a legit concern.

Mudiay had 47 FTA this year, he only played 12 games.

I read somewhere that Mudiay shot 64% as a senior and he never shot well in the All Star competitions either. But I'd bring up Baron Davis who was 60% at the line at UCLA over a larger sample size and say it's fixable but it does show how much work he needs on his jumper right now.

This is what I mean.

Prime BD was a great player with considerable impact. Being a 60% FT shooter won't kill Mudiay's impact but it can be just an annoying factor when crunchtime comes. I hope he's able to fix it so it won't keep him back from reaching his potential.

[Capn'O]

Marcus and other long time resident aliens can stay as long as their papers are up to date. You did fill out the proper paperwork, didn't you Marcus?

i got it around here somewhere i swear it.

It's his 326 posts in this thread.

I love how people show up out of nowhere half-trolling while trying to seem sincere like they don't know what they're doing.

"I'm here because this board has a lot of activity"

Why the hell haven't I seen you here before the lottery then? FOHWTBS.

Yeah - those weird turtle blowing stiffs can all leave.

[BeagleBoss]

Mudiay had 47 FTA this year, he only played 12 games.

China.

Yep. China and their different freethrow line.

It's China and their 95% of talent that should be delivering food, not playing ball. The CBA talent pool doesn't compare to Divison 1 NCAA.

[Marcus]

Ban every non-Knick fan posting here for the rest of the month.

whoa whoa whoa.....i think i've been pretty solid around here.

I'm a resentful ****. Nothing personal.

hug it out?

[Capn'O]

Ok, I'm caught up on what WTBS means now.

[Capn'O]

I wouldn't recommend touching him, Marcus.

[poeman]

Mudiay had 47 FTA this year, he only played 12 games.

China.

Yep. China and their different freethrow line.

If only Mudiay played with a 35 second shot clock too...Damn China and their 24 second shot clock and chinese free throw line resembling a line.