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Thank Nation! Raptors Pick 9th (PART 5)

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Re: Thank Nation! Raptors Pick 9th (PART 5) 

Post#1781 » by super_balls » Thu Jun 2, 2016 1:30 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DBCC58pNo[/youtube]

I'm not sure if I should follow the hype of Chriss.. I'm going to stick to my first choice Deyonta "Kawhi" Davis
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Post#1782 » by S ID » Thu Jun 2, 2016 1:33 pm

WeTheNorth123 wrote:So the Full Version of the Marquese Chriss workout with the interview was just released....link is pasted below

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Marquese-Chriss-2016-NBA-Pre-Draft-Workout-Video-and-Interview-5522

HIs shot form looks really nice

I saw a few posts saying he's like Ross. Chriss for one doesn't sound like a dumbass in his interviews and is only 18. I honestly don't know why you wouldn't want him at 9 (barring the top 7 don't drop)

He has his red flags - defensive rebounding being the biggest one, but being good on the offensive glass and having played competitive ball for only 4 years gives me hope.
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Re: Thank Nation! Raptors Pick 9th (PART 5) 

Post#1783 » by Troubadour » Thu Jun 2, 2016 1:34 pm

Tortiglioni wrote:Hield is, by far, the most overrated player in this draft. He projects as a shooter off the bench in the NBA. Wouldn't even touch him at #9.

It's funny how people completely dismiss Ellenson as a shooter based on his freshman percentages, and then praise the 22 year old Hield as the 2nd coming of Ray Allen. FYI: Hield's freshman 3p%: 23.8%


Just because Hield worked to become a better shooter doesn't mean Ellenson will be able to match that. Hield is the best shooter in the draft. He can create his own shot, use his dribble to get to the rim, and has good size for a wing. He's the most NBA ready player in the draft, in my opinion.
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Post#1784 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jun 2, 2016 1:52 pm

I don't think Hield will be able to get to the rim in the NBA, but in this day and age you can be an all-star off the jump shot alone.
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Post#1785 » by Tortiglioni » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:09 pm

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Tortiglioni wrote:Hield is, by far, the most overrated player in this draft. He projects as a shooter off the bench in the NBA. Wouldn't even touch him at #9.

It's funny how people completely dismiss Ellenson as a shooter based on his freshman percentages, and then praise the 22 year old Hield as the 2nd coming of Ray Allen. FYI: Hield's freshman 3p%: 23.8%


Just because Hield worked to become a better shooter doesn't mean Ellenson will be able to match that. Hield is the best shooter in the draft. He can create his own shot, use his dribble to get to the rim, and has good size for a wing. He's the most NBA ready player in the draft, in my opinion.


Lol. My point is: you are comparing a highly skilled 19-year-old freshman to a 22-year-old senior who needed four years of college to enter the first-round conversation.

Hield has good size for a wing? 6' 3.75 without shoes is piss poor size. Throw in his average-at-best athleticism and you have a problem. Who is he guarding in the NBA? Nobody. Throw a decent NBA defender on Hield and he will pretty much be useless.
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Post#1786 » by WeTheNorth123 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:09 pm

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WeTheNorth123 wrote:So the Full Version of the Marquese Chriss workout with the interview was just released....link is pasted below

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Marquese-Chriss-2016-NBA-Pre-Draft-Workout-Video-and-Interview-5522

HIs shot form looks really nice

I saw a few posts saying he's like Ross. Chriss for one doesn't sound like a dumbass in his interviews and is only 18. I honestly don't know why you wouldn't want him at 9 (barring the top 7 don't drop)

He has his red flags - defensive rebounding being the biggest one, but being good on the offensive glass and having played competitive ball for only 4 years gives me hope.


One big under-talked about positive about Chriss is how smart he is...

He is considered a bookwork and he is an engineering student.....now how does that translate to basektball?

It translates tremendously (in my opiion)....you are able to think more analytically/intelligently...you can analyize things better and outsmart other players...

...chris bosh is an example, he was very strong academically....i remember him talking about analyzing his opponent a lot. If its a Big Man he blows by, if its a fenese big then he overpowers.

Chriss being so young with some of the same ablities as bosh, while being so young and intelligent can definitely develops his game tremendously.......consider that he started playing basketball quite late and has developed so quickly into a really decent player...the rest of his flaws he will improve because he is smart!

For that reason if Chriss is on the board at 9, you most likely draft him!!!!!
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Post#1787 » by Risk101 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:41 pm

super_balls wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DBCC58pNo[/youtube]

I'm not sure if I should follow the hype of Chriss.. I'm going to stick to my first choice Deyonta "Kawhi" Davis


And for good reason. He's only played the game since he was a senior in highschool and look how far he's come in such a short time. He has the fundamentals to go with a mid range jumpshot. Add the fact that his most NBA ready game is his defense you can add to his game year by year. Seriously how could you not love this kid?
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Post#1788 » by Risk101 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:46 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAeyfInV0g[/youtube]
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Post#1789 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:46 pm

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Troubadour wrote:
Tortiglioni wrote:Hield is, by far, the most overrated player in this draft. He projects as a shooter off the bench in the NBA. Wouldn't even touch him at #9.

It's funny how people completely dismiss Ellenson as a shooter based on his freshman percentages, and then praise the 22 year old Hield as the 2nd coming of Ray Allen. FYI: Hield's freshman 3p%: 23.8%


Just because Hield worked to become a better shooter doesn't mean Ellenson will be able to match that. Hield is the best shooter in the draft. He can create his own shot, use his dribble to get to the rim, and has good size for a wing. He's the most NBA ready player in the draft, in my opinion.


Lol. My point is: you are comparing a highly skilled 19-year-old freshman to a 22-year-old senior who needed four years of college to enter the first-round conversation.

Hield has good size for a wing? 6' 3.75 without shoes is piss poor size. Throw in his average-at-best athleticism and you have a problem. Who is he guarding in the NBA? Nobody. Throw a decent NBA defender on Hield and he will pretty much be useless.


His standing reach is fine, 8"6. Completely normal for a 2. Throw a decent defender on Hield and he'll pull them out 4 feet past the 3 point line and open the floor for drivers significantly. I don't care that it took him this long to become a prospect, he put up a .665 TS with 30 usage in 35 minutes a game against good competition. He can get his shot off.
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Re: Thank Nation! Raptors Pick 9th (PART 5) 

Post#1790 » by super_balls » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:54 pm

Risk101 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAeyfInV0g[/youtube]


I hate how intriguing this kid gets every day.. He does not sound like Ross at all. This was a very, very good interview. That windmill was so effortless my goodness. Honestly, I'll be happy with 1 of the 3.

1. Davis
2. Chriss
3. Skal
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Post#1791 » by Risk101 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:00 pm

super_balls wrote:
Risk101 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAeyfInV0g[/youtube]


I hate how intriguing this kid gets every day.. He does not sound like Ross at all. This was a very, very good interview. That windmill was so effortless my goodness. Honestly, I'll be happy with 1 of the 3.

1. Davis
2. Chriss
3. Skal


I'm starting to understand the appeal of Chriss now especially after watching the video. He sounds super mature for his age. Not many 18 year olds that can express themselves the way this guy does.

Might have to put him ahead of Deyonta for now.
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Post#1792 » by S ID » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:03 pm

Who do you guys have at 27?
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Post#1793 » by Sherlock » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:05 pm

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TdotRap4Lyfe wrote:I just want 2 front court players from this draft, With at least one being a PF. We don't need anymore guards. Beyond that, I'd make an exception if one of: Dunn, Hield, or Murray falls to us.



You have to consider the fact that it doesn't matter who we draft, they will likely not be a rotation player right away. And our second pick is likely a stash player that will be at least a year away, so this we don't need guards thing is foolish.

I will admit to wanting a PF :oops:

But if a Dunn, Hield, Murray, Brown drop to us, we don't say no if they are BPA


Agreed. "We don't need any more guards" is the same type of logic that leads a team to say "We don't need any more centres" and pick Ross over Drummond.

Even if you don't have room for a guard in your rotation, you take BPA and you can trade someone if you need to. E.g., if we pick a guard who happens to show flashes next year of being capable of being a quality starter (e.g., Murray or Hield) then you have the option of trading a re-signed DeRozan for front-court help. Or you trade the player you just drafted. Either way, BPA is an asset that can be used to make your team better.

E.g., what do you think Drummond's value on the trade market is right now? What do you think Ross' is? Which is the better asset?
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Post#1794 » by 0 - 100 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:09 pm

had a dream we drafted Skal at 9th.
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Post#1795 » by super_balls » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:10 pm

S ID wrote:Who do you guys have at 27?


McCaw, Maker, Hernangomez, Jackson (if he somehow drops)
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Post#1796 » by 0 - 100 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:11 pm

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-marquese-chriss-has-star-potential/?platform=hootsuite

After an impressive freshman season at Washington, Marquese Chriss decided to enter the 2016 NBA Draft. He’ll be 18 years old on draft night, making him one of the youngest players in this incoming class. His potential coupled with his collegiate success make him a very attractive option for any team looking to strengthen their frontcourt.

The 6’10 power forward averaged 13.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, 1.6 blocks and .9 steals in just 24.9 minutes per game in his lone season with the Huskies, while shooting 53 percent from the field and 35 percent from three-point range (on 60 attempts).

Analytics also paint Chriss in a very positive light, as he finished his freshman campaign with a 21.7 Player Efficiency Rating, 58.5 True Shooting Percentage, 112 Offensive Rating and 102.2 Defensive Rating. His per-100-possession averages were 28.3 points, 11.1 rebounds, 3.3 blocks and 1.9 steals.

Chriss is currently being projected as a lottery pick in most mock drafts. In Basketball Insiders’ latest consensus mock draft, he was slotted as high as No. 9 to the Toronto Raptors. NBADraft.net has him going No. 10 to the Milwaukee Bucks and DraftExpress has him going No. 11 to the Orlando Magic.

While being a lottery pick certainly seems realistic now, he didn’t even expect to be in the 2016 NBA Draft before his breakout freshman season. He wasn’t on mock drafts around this time last year; in fact, Washington and Vanderbilt were reportedly the only schools that offered him a scholarship and Rivals ranked him the 62nd player in his high school class. He expected to stay in college for several years and keep developing his game, but his meteoric rise was a pleasant surprise and he decided to leave college when his stock skyrocketed.

Chriss never considered testing the waters, which would’ve allowed him to pull out of the draft and return to school, and he explained why the NBA Draft Combine last week.

“Me and [Dejounte Murray] said, ‘If we’re going, we’re going.’ There was no testing the waters because when I commit to something, I want to fully stay committed to it,” Chriss said. “I didn’t want to go into it doubting myself, thinking, ‘If I don’t do good, I want to go back [to school].’ I feel like I’m confident enough in myself that I know what I’m able to do here.”

At the Combine, Chriss didn’t participate in drills or five-on-five action, but he did impress with his measurements, athletic tests and interviews. He measured in at 6’10 in shoes, with a 7’0.25 wingspan and 8’9 standing reach. He displayed his incredible athleticism, including his 38.5-inch max vertical (ninth among all players at the Combine) and agility (11.93 seconds, eighth among all players at the Combine). As an 18-year-old who is trying to persuade NBA teams to bet on him in the lottery, he knew he had to come across as a professional who takes this process very seriously. Chriss did just that, coming across as intelligent and mature in his interviews at the Combine.

“I think I’ve grown up,” Chriss said. “People sometimes say that I’m kind of immature and I feel like that’s a misconception. I think I grew up a lot during the year and it was a learning process throughout the season.”

Chriss interviewed with many teams while at the Combine, including the Orlando Magic, Atlanta Hawks, Chicago Bulls, Milwaukee Bucks, Toronto Raptors and Utah Jazz. He enjoyed the meetings and getting to know the different executives.

“I love talking to people so I’m embracing it. I like being here, I’m having fun and I’m enjoying the whole process,” he said. “[Teams] ask a lot of the same stuff you guys are asking me, like what position I see myself playing. But really, they are just trying to get to know me. I feel like a lot of people don’t know how I actually am by watching me play, so now is a good time for them to just talk to me and see who I am.”

“If I get stronger, I feel like I can guard fours and fives, and I believe I’m quick enough to guard threes and twos,” Chriss said. “I think I have a good skill set to stretch the floor. I wouldn’t characterize myself as having one natural spot, I just feel that I can play.”

When asked what aspects of his game he has been working on the most, Chriss responded immediately.

“Shooting, absolutely,” he said. “I’m trying to stretch the floor a lot and I feel that shooting is a strong suit of mine and [something] that I’ve gotten a lot better at – from NBA range, shots off the dribble and stuff like that. I’m trying to keep getting better at all of that.”
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Post#1797 » by duppyy » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:14 pm

0 - 100 wrote:had a dream we drafted Skal at 9th.


I want to draft Chriss but won't be upset if we draft Skal.
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Post#1798 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:17 pm

0 - 100 wrote:had a dream we drafted Skal at 9th.


:nod: The prophecy has been revealed.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1799 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:18 pm

S ID wrote:Who do you guys have at 27?


1a) McCaw
1b) Bentil
3) Payton II
4) Bembry
5) Maker
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1800 » by Sherlock » Thu Jun 2, 2016 3:22 pm

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Risk101 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAeyfInV0g[/youtube]


I hate how intriguing this kid gets every day.. He does not sound like Ross at all. This was a very, very good interview. That windmill was so effortless my goodness. Honestly, I'll be happy with 1 of the 3.

1. Davis
2. Chriss
3. Skal


Yeah, that was a great interview. He's very articulate. Most guys can barely get 4 words out of their mouth. He actually comes across as very thoughtful and intelligent. He's also confident yet humble at the same time.

Love what he's saying about joining a good organization / a good team. If I'm him, I'd look at the Raptors as a great fit. Strong organization, winning team, big gaping hole at the 4-spot. If Boston doesn't take him at number 3, if I were him, I'd be angling downward to end up on the Raps at 9. Certainly better than any of the crappy teams from 4-8.
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