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Political Roundtable Part XIX

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1781 » by Kanyewest » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:50 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Al Jazeera, BBC, NPR. Come on people, it's only rocket science.

Rachel Maddow is the only reporter on MSNBC I can tolerate. She's biased in the topics she chooses to cover but is otherwise pretty straightforward in how she reports things. She always tries to get people who understand topics better than her to come in and answer questions, which I find really useful. Sometimes people straighten her out and she embraces it. She's genuinely interested in the truth. And she makes really hilarious expressions when she encounters something truly bizaare.


I think I like Chris Hayes as much as Maddow. Chuck Todd/Brian Williams are alright. I don't really like Lawrence O'Donnell and some of there other anchors. But CNN has become unwatchable as they have too much of a debate format IMO which doesn't really cover the news.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1782 » by Ruzious » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:51 pm

It's weird, between work and clients, relatives, friends, and acquaintances, I've probably talked to about 100 people outside of the internet in the last year and a half about partisan politics, and I think in those discussions, it was clear that every single person I talked with dispises Trump. Do you guys have that same experience? If you are a Trump guy, is it the opposite for you? It's never been that way with me in past years. When George W. Bush was President, I knew several supporters of him - some who I respected and liked quite a bit.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1783 » by Ruzious » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:59 pm

If a judge was on record as saying 20 years ago he hated ass-clowns, should he recuse himself from judging a case involving SD20? I don't think so.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1784 » by Wizardspride » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:27 pm

I love how SD20 finds these random black folk tweets in an attempt to prove Trump is "down".

The last poll I saw had his approval rating among AAs at 17%.

But what do I and the other 83% of black folk know?

Candace Owens is "woke".

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1785 » by dckingsfan » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:47 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:No - my point is both parties are corrupt (dumb and dumber if you will) and we need a third party.

Ok? It's not relevant to how Nate used the term. He used it to delegitimize American law enforcement institutions because they're not being nice to Daddy Trump.

Trump's (Nate's) definition is too narrow and is cherry-picked to suit his narrative. Others choose to believe that there is no "deep state" or that the "deep state" is beneficial (after all, how could a large public institution want to preserve itself over the benefit of society?).

Trump's definition does disservice to the overall real issue. That both parties are dumb and dumber on handling our bureaucracies.
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dckingsfan wrote:It was also used by Ds to describe the industrial military complex in the 60s (damn that is a long time for the phrase to have been around. And has been used to describe many parts of government (as bizarre as they may seem to you). Zonk's definition was the best that I have seen recently.

Cool history lesson. How is it relevant to what Nate was saying?

That the term has been in use for quite sometime. It was used originally with reference to the industrial military complex but in general was used in reference to the industrial (xyz) complex. It has been cherry-picked by both parties when it serves them to do so...
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dckingsfan wrote:And to your point, neither the Ds or Rs have been good at governing - neither. Neither have created a sustainable government model on the local, state or federal level. Sorry it doesn't fit your lens.

It doesn't 'fit my lens' because it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I was talking about. What you really want to talk about is the Dems being bad at stuff even when it's not related to the topic at hand.

Again, this all started because you cannot help but run to the defense of an Alt-Right Trump acolyte because it makes you feel like you're smarter than all these unserious partisans. What results, though, is that you just wind up defending a dyed in the wool deplorable's deplorable while also derailing the conversation. Good stuff!

No, I wanted to talk about what is the real "deep state", why it hasn't been controlled by either party and why it is killing our local, state and federal governments. But that derails your narrative of the Rs are evil and nothing else matters.

And I most certainly am a deplorable - I don't 100% agree with your narrative. I am good with that...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1786 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:52 pm

Is the "deep state" bad? All of the problems with the federal deficit have zero to do with the deep state/entrenched bureacracy. Zero. Zilch. Bureaucracy is annoying but not why Democracy is on fire right now. It's not why we have 100% govt debt to GDP ratio. It's not the cause of any of the things we worry about in this thread. It's an annoying thing that exists.
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Post#1787 » by dckingsfan » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:54 pm

Ruzious wrote:It's weird, between work and clients, relatives, friends, and acquaintances, I've probably talked to about 100 people outside of the internet in the last year and a half about partisan politics, and I think in those discussions, it was clear that every single person I talked with dispises Trump. Do you guys have that same experience? If you are a Trump guy, is it the opposite for you? It's never been that way with me in past years. When George W. Bush was President, I knew several supporters of him - some who I respected and liked quite a bit.

When I was in Maryland, I had was part of a poker group that was very conservative. About half were never Trumpers. The other half supported him and still do... The ones that did felt that he would put a "hurt" on the federal government and their workers - I guess they still feel that way.

But they also felt that he would restrain government spending - and he has done anything but...

Down here in Houston, I run into a bunch of Trump supporters. They don't seem to be changing their tune.

Where do you live Ruz? DC?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1788 » by dckingsfan » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:02 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Is the "deep state" bad? All of the problems with the federal deficit have zero to do with the deep state/entrenched bureacracy. Zero. Zilch. Bureaucracy is annoying but not why Democracy is on fire right now. It's not why we have 100% govt debt to GDP ratio. It's not the cause of any of the things we worry about in this thread. It's an annoying thing that exists.

So, HUD, congress, Freddy & Fanny, private banks working together to promote an agenda definitely got us into a mess that cause a bunch of revenue loos and didn't help with our debt.

DOE, congress, private banks working together to promote an agenda definitely sunk a lot of debt on students that suppressed growth and revenue.

Local unions, local politicians promoting an agenda definitely sunk us with unfunded pension liabilities.

State unions, state politicians, industrial prison complex definitely promoted an agenda that ate up lots of budget at the state level.

etc.

etc.

etc.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1789 » by Ruzious » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:07 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Ruzious wrote:It's weird, between work and clients, relatives, friends, and acquaintances, I've probably talked to about 100 people outside of the internet in the last year and a half about partisan politics, and I think in those discussions, it was clear that every single person I talked with dispises Trump. Do you guys have that same experience? If you are a Trump guy, is it the opposite for you? It's never been that way with me in past years. When George W. Bush was President, I knew several supporters of him - some who I respected and liked quite a bit.

When I was in Maryland, I had was part of a poker group that was very conservative. About half were never Trumpers. The other half supported him and still do... The ones that did felt that he would put a "hurt" on the federal government and their workers - I guess they still feel that way.

But they also felt that he would restrain government spending - and he has done anything but...

Down here in Houston, I run into a bunch of Trump supporters. They don't seem to be changing their tune.

Where do you live Ruz? DC?

I live in Gaithersburg, MD and work in Bethesda, MD - both in Montgomery County - where we think of ourselves as a suburb of DC. With sports, the home teams are the Redskins and Nationals rather than the Ravens and Orioles. It's a very high Dem area, but as I say, there were Bush people here where there are not Trump... people.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1790 » by Pointgod » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:12 pm

Wizardspride wrote:I love how SD20 finds these random black folk tweets in an attempt to prove Trump is "down".

The last poll I saw had his approval rating among AAs at 17%.

But what do I and the other 83% of black folk know?

Candace Owens is "woke".


The hilarious things is it's literally the same 4 or 5 idiots on Twitter that he keeps reposting. :lol: The number of black people that support Trump couldn't even field a soccer team.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1791 » by dckingsfan » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:17 pm

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Ruzious wrote:It's weird, between work and clients, relatives, friends, and acquaintances, I've probably talked to about 100 people outside of the internet in the last year and a half about partisan politics, and I think in those discussions, it was clear that every single person I talked with dispises Trump. Do you guys have that same experience? If you are a Trump guy, is it the opposite for you? It's never been that way with me in past years. When George W. Bush was President, I knew several supporters of him - some who I respected and liked quite a bit.

When I was in Maryland, I had was part of a poker group that was very conservative. About half were never Trumpers. The other half supported him and still do... The ones that did felt that he would put a "hurt" on the federal government and their workers - I guess they still feel that way.

But they also felt that he would restrain government spending - and he has done anything but...

Down here in Houston, I run into a bunch of Trump supporters. They don't seem to be changing their tune.

Where do you live Ruz? DC?

I live in Gaithersburg, MD and work in Bethesda, MD - both in Montgomery County - where we think of ourselves as a suburb of DC. With sports, the home teams are the Redskins and Nationals rather than the Ravens and Orioles. It's a very high Dem area, but as I say, there were Bush people here where there are not Trump... people.

Gotcha... I think the Trump supporters are very quiet in that area (before and especially after the election). I know my poker buddies in the area never talked about their support for Trump.

Slightly different in Texas. What is interesting is when you have a meaningful dialog with them - they mostly agree he is a knucklehead and yet the don't despise him :noway:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1792 » by gtn130 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:23 pm

Wizardspride wrote:I love how SD20 finds these random black folk tweets in an attempt to prove Trump is "down".

The last poll I saw had his approval rating among AAs at 17%.

But what do I and the other 83% of black folk know?

Candace Owens is "woke".


Yeah, it's like when he says black unemployment was at 20% throughout Obama's term. Just laughable made-up nonsense to support his awful narratives.

He cares deeply about truth and justice though
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1793 » by Wizardspride » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:40 pm

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Post#1796 » by JWizmentality » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:42 pm

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OMG it all makes sense!! :lol: :lol:
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Post#1797 » by verbal8 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:13 pm

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Post#1798 » by Pointgod » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:20 pm

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Hmm Brady is a Trump Supporter


If it turns out the man was wearing a knit sweater and ugg boots the police need to surround Brady's house.
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Post#1799 » by stilldropin20 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:58 am

Ruzious wrote:It's weird, between work and clients, relatives, friends, and acquaintances, I've probably talked to about 100 people outside of the internet in the last year and a half about partisan politics, and I think in those discussions, it was clear that every single person I talked with dispises Trump. Do you guys have that same experience? If you are a Trump guy, is it the opposite for you? It's never been that way with me in past years. When George W. Bush was President, I knew several supporters of him - some who I respected and liked quite a bit.


:dontknow: I have different experience. And I talk with tens of thousands of Black and Brown people every year. I see about 100 different people per day. minimally. My main group of people that i interact with are police, fire, teachers, lawyers, judges, other dentists, doctors, realtors, investment bankers, contractors, health workers, insurance customer service, dental and medical salespeople, service industry types when i go "out." That's pretty much my entire circle. and they are 70% (or higher) Black or Brown. In my circle at least half of them support trump. I would estimate about 60%. Its weird for me because of the White people I know, about 80% of them are liberals/democrats and literally despise Trump to the level that most of you do. Its the black and Brown folks I know that support trump. Around 50% eyeballing it.

I've seen studies and numbers that suggest Black and Brown people are afraid to admit that they like Trump. The real numbers are 5-7% higher due to shaming. And might be as high as 7-9% higher for minorities because the thought police nazi left tells us we must be liberals if we are "minorities."


Anyway, these twitter shares below took a whole 2 minutes. There are more. lots more.

To my naked eye, I think the support for trump is going to pick up steam as people in Black and Brown communities like mine begin to think outside of their comfort zone and if nothing else at least make D's "earn" their vote... Maybe you just need to get out of your own little circle a bit more??? ...AKA off of your couch and the Wiz board?? :lol: :lol: I should tell you...rather, ask you...do you know how to "get more" for "minorities?" from our so-called democratic politicians (of choice)? Do you? Here's a hint: stop giving away your fricking vote for nothing every 2 years!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if you are going to vote D no matter, at least learn to "bluff!" You might not believe it, but it just might help "the cause."


Anyway, funny anecdote...laugh all you want. but as former navy crypto tech/intelligence, I have a natural knack for picking up on pattern recognition, progressions, and combining it with both measurable and predictable intuition to form mostly reliable probability theories. And I'm not a mathematician. Hate math! This is just how my mind works. By happenstance I was given a chance to apply these skills I didn't even know I had. Which immediately landed me on the USS Parche where I earned 2 "Battle E's." and had 2 different sitting US Presidents pin them on my chest. While mobile, I could triangulate and track over 25 slow moving(less than 35 knots), long and short range targets, and more importantly predict their movement when we lost sonar tracking and almost instantaneously formulate fire control guidance solutions for each contact on command at a ridiculously high success rate(something i could likely not do as well today due to the more careful nature ive developed over time). The only kind of contact I couldn't track was some "wild coyote" type captain purposefully punching holes in the ocean randomly, just to troll. But even that guys has tendencies and somewhat of an overall course he followed due to regs and the nature of any given mission he was on. I was 3 times more accurate than a typical analog fire control team of team of 7 men. Not just any men. Parche men. by myself. In the late 80's early 90's our computerized fire control systems couldn't even track more than * contacts(sorry still classified). In fact I was so good and so fast at this that i can often get caught up in multiple sonar anomalies (which sidetrack me sometimes.) And this was just a collateral duty at battle stations in case we had to go analogue. My day job in the Navy was communications "analyzer", navigator, and anti radar "analyzer."


So yeah...laugh as loud as you want :lol: :lol: ...anyhow, you may recall, many many years ago, among other things, they called me "Stillstradaumus" on this very board. maybe you remember? i predicted the MIP 4 of years of 5 in a row and nailed the top 3 for the same 5 years. I wasn't guessing.

My mind just sees patterns in every day life. Everything. And I can use the data to usually make good decisions. Or bad decisions not so terrible. I imagine i use more math than i care to admit to myself. Part physical sciences. part human understanding. part opportunity and value recognition. Motivation recognition. and just good ol' fashioned instinct based on a ton of learning and studying of human beings and the patterns in chaos and randomness of everyday life. It all makes sense to me. quickly. I can process new and unique experiences very quickly almost simultaneously. I understood physics as i read it off the page and some of it before i finished reading the page. But I understand people even better. Thats why i was so good at basketball. I could read any player. Quickly assess weaknesses and exploit them and take away any strengths by creating angles and taking away angles. as well as a ton of nuance in skill development assessment. I knew james johnson was this kind of player 5 minutes into his first trip on the court and waited 10 years to be proven right. And I knew derrick rose was a fraud just as early and enjoyed being right on that too. i understood at a young age that being quicker and stronger and more skilled makes up for almost any disadvantage so sometimes you just gotta put in
the work and gangster a chump. then just psychologically murder them to keep them in their place. which took them off their game and gave me more confidence to execute my own game. which only further weakened their effort. And of course I was a team player type. always made the right cut, right pass, took right shot.

So, with Trump. I'm seeing some progressions develop in the media, the congress, the electorate, the twitter, the facebook, the everyday life, even here, on The Realgm. I'm clearly not alone or else the liberal controlled MSM wouldn't be so scared. 93% negative coverage...and the only thing keeping it from 99-100% negative is the token conservative they throw to the lions for 15-20 seconds here and there. MSM clearly sees the potential or liklihood that this guy( who has been swinging for the political fences) MIGHT connect at some point. And do something big and important. Or his swing for the fences philosophy might force a bunch of walks so as not to give up the hit. Enough walks on many levels that the economy and jobs market remain/improve so much that MSM cant keep ignoring it or their audience turns on them. I'll admit that he is mostly just swinging away. But he has made some solid contact already with tax reform and has the groundwork laid for daca and immigration reform/border control.


Special counsil and SDNY may have different plans. But if nothing sticks, Trump is going to come out of this with decent numbers, even without a major hit. just a few base on balls. But if he connects. This is going to become harder to hide/deny the successes.

And my intuition is telling me that when Tax reform kicks it, especially doubling the standard deduction and significantly lowering the tax rates for those making under $60K, I think Black n Brown people are going to benefit and respond. So i think his numbers will go up significantly in the next 1-2 years. Barring some complete meltdown or impeachment stuff or a complete hachet job by the left/msm/deep state, I predict his approval rating amongst Black and Brown people will approach 25% or higher (without a big hit at the plate). I think the economy will continue to do well over the next 2 years. I think he is going to get at least a mild win in NK. I think his border/immigration policy is going to continue to keep Black and Brown people employed at the highest rates ever. and I think he is going to CONTINUE have wages on the rise. And I think he is going to get his inner city jobs growth programmed launched which will be synergistic with the stuff above. And most importantly, I think he has the nads, to once again, go into the inner cities in 2019-2020 and sell it. I also think we are going to see more and more Black and Brown politicians and I think the R's are going to find themselves a couple of unicorns.

But if this guy makes solid contact, all bets should be off for the liberal left. I predict his numbers will go way up.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1800 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:11 am

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Wizardspride wrote:I love how SD20 finds these random black folk tweets in an attempt to prove Trump is "down".

The last poll I saw had his approval rating among AAs at 17%.

But what do I and the other 83% of black folk know?

Candace Owens is "woke".


Yeah, it's like when he says black unemployment was at 20% throughout Obama's term. Just laughable made-up nonsense to support his awful narratives.

He cares deeply about truth and justice though


Dude. When you argue facts with a crazy person, the terrorists win.
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