Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[Knicksfan1992]

Anything note worthy happen?

Nothing truly noteworthy is going to happen until sunday unless a trade develops...It's just going to be rumors and a bunch of doom and gloom here until then

[RHODEY]

Maybe Kawhi & Kemba would be the best tandem we could get this off-season. They pair well together on paper. I think most everyone would prefer that pairing 100x over Durant-Kyrie.

Everyone except Kemba & Kawhi...

[camillepd]

If we get Durant, how about Julius Randle on a 1 and 1 contract.

[Fat Kat]

Anything note worthy happen?

Nothing truly noteworthy is going to happen until sunday unless a trade develops...It's just going to be rumors and a bunch of doom and gloom here until then

This has been about networks formulating a narrative to have something to talk about. I expect many of them to circle back to their original stance before Sunday.

[Knicksfan1992]

If Jimmy Butler/Harris gets a max that team will regret it. Trust me.

Nah depends on the situation. Jimmy is still a stud and he'd be looked at way differently if that wolves situation didnt turn out the way it did and if Kawhi doesnt get 4 bounces to drop in on the rim in game 7. Sixers honestly probably win the title in that scenario knowing what we know now about the Warriors.

[Jeff Van Gully]

If we get Durant, how about Julius Randle on a 1 and 1 contract.

julius randle rejects

[Fat Kat]

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[BeagleBoss]

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Can someone in the pro-sign KD crowd tell me the last time we signed an injured player or a player with severe injury history and it worked out for us?

[Knicksfan1992]

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Can someone in the pro-sign KD crowd tell me the last time we signed an injured player or a player with severe injury history and it worked out for us?

When is the last time we signed a top 15 all-time player?

[Jeff Van Gully]

If Jimmy Butler/Harris gets a max that team will regret it. Trust me.

Nah depends on the situation. Jimmy is still a stud and he'd be looked at way differently if that wolves situation didnt turn out the way it did and if Kawhi doesnt get 4 bounces to drop in on the rim in game 7. Sixers honestly probably win the title in that scenario knowing what we know now about the Warriors.

i've always said butler is worthy for a true contender. he makes no sense for a team not firmly within or immediately enacting a contention window.

harris has the benefit of youth. i don't feel confident that he's worth a max today. but he is really good and if he's the last key piece for your contender, then i get it.

both of these guys make a lot of sense in philly. that's a really good team that should be highly competitive for a long time. but they're at an interesting crossroads right now. if you argue that harris and butler don't put you over the top, i'm not fighting you on that. but they should feel pretty good that they took the champs to an agonizing game 7 buzzer beater.

tangent: philly is in incredible fiscal shape. that max extension for embiid on the old cap is looking really good if he stays healthy. but this is gonna be the last cheap season of simmons, who will possibly demand new cap max money. and the entire roster could look different aside from those two depending on how this offseason goes.

[BeagleBoss]

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Can someone in the pro-sign KD crowd tell me the last time we signed an injured player or a player with severe injury history and it worked out for us?

When is the last time we signed a top 15 all-time player?

Your level of play plays no factor here.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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really the most fascinating offseason question i can ever remember.

[god shammgod]

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sounds like executives around the league are split down the middle. it is a tough one.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Can someone in the pro-sign KD crowd tell me the last time we signed an injured player or a player with severe injury history and it worked out for us?

When is the last time we signed a top 15 all-time player?

Your level of play plays no factor here.

and history doesn't dictate the future. each transaction is completely disconnected. in this case the injuries aren't apples-to-apples. nor is the caliber of player. the KD situation is truly unique.

i understand being concerned. the risk is high. i understand both sides of this.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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sounds like executives around the league are split down the middle. it is a tough one.

very. the risk averse will understandably pass. the gamblers will take a shot.

[Capn'O]

It's a gut call. Not a whole lot of reason behind it.

My gut says no.

[Richard4444]

Firstly, we've obviously talked about the possiblity of the Knicks taking on some bad contracts into their cap space. Those teams may want to create room to sign a free agent or otherwise avoid the luxury tax. Here are some teams that have players with one big year remaining on their contracts:

1. Miami Heat: Hassan Whiteside at $27MM.
2. Toronto Raptors: Serge Ibaka at $24MM.
3. Milwaukee Bucks: Jon Leuer at $9.5MM.
4. Portland Trailblazers: Meyers Leonard at $11MM.
5. Washington Wizards: Ian Mahinmi at $16MM.
6. Minnesota Timberwolves: Jeff Teague at $19MM.
7. Charlotte Hornets: Bismack Biyombo at $17MM.
8. Phoenix Suns: Tyler Johnson at $19MM.
9. LA Clippers: Danilo Gallinari at $22.6MM.

I like the idea of renting cap space for picks. However, I dont know if a deal can be easily made.

Heat can use some Cap relief to avoid taxes. But they dont have 2021 FRP. They would have to give 2023 FRP.

Toronto if they keep Leonard and Green could shed Ibaka contract to avoid taxes. But Ibaka could be a positive/neutral expiring contract for a rebuilding team to absorb and help the young core.

Washington, Wolves, Charlote and Suns are small markets team very far from become contenders. Hardly any big FA would come to them to justify the relief. They must be saved of luxury taxes for now.

Clippers must keep Galinari if Leonard stays in Toronto in a short deal. And maybe Gallo could be a neutral expiring contract that can be moved without giving away a FRP.

Portland maybe want to get rid of Meyers to avoid taxes if they try to keep Aminu and Layman. But again, Meyers is still a young stretch 4 and can be productive now and then. Maybe his expiring contract could be moved without giving away a FRP.

Bucks is another team which must be over the tax line if they keep Mids, Brogdon and Brooke. But they dont have the 2020 and 2022 FRP. They would have to give 2024 FRP. OKC is in the same spot.

[sol537]

I'm 50/50 on KD but if we do get KD, I would not want to get a 2nd max cat this off-season (unless it's Kawhi) because it would be better to maximize that next draft pick and take on 1-year deals from other teams for additional draft picks. Then... you pounce next off-season and try to consolidate assets for a contending team with KD.

[god shammgod]

in my experience, one of the worst aspects of people is that want to think they know everything. you ask them a question that the greatest minds in that field are struggling with and they'll still give you an answer. they have too much pride to admit they don't know.
in the case of kd, nobody knows. people who want to sign him and people who don't both have no idea. his doctor has no idea. nobody can say anything definitively. so it is undoubtedly a risk. it could be horrible or fantastic or anywhere in between. nobody knows. i'm not gonna pretend like i do.

[god shammgod]

It's a gut call. Not a whole lot of reason behind it.

My gut says no.

my heart is saying yes but my head is saying no. anybody else with other body parts speaking to them ?