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The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1781 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:21 pm

Chi town wrote:PW is always going to be compared to Melo though since Bulls could have traded up and didn't.

Melo looks like a star in the making. Already flashing beyond Lonzo. The way he has played thus far he could have solved all of our playmaking problems.


Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.
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Post#1782 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:28 pm

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Chi town wrote:PW is always going to be compared to Melo though since Bulls could have traded up and didn't.

Melo looks like a star in the making. Already flashing beyond Lonzo. The way he has played thus far he could have solved all of our playmaking problems.


Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.


GSW floated WCJ and 2 for 4 and it seems like AK said no. MIN was open for business too.

It's obviously early but what these rookies have shown thus far has been very surprising. I think the no crowds has really helped them. No distractions of the partying life as well.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1783 » by Jcool0 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:46 pm

Chi town wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Chi town wrote:PW is always going to be compared to Melo though since Bulls could have traded up and didn't.

Melo looks like a star in the making. Already flashing beyond Lonzo. The way he has played thus far he could have solved all of our playmaking problems.


Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.


GSW floated WCJ and 2 for 4 and it seems like AK said no. MIN was open for business too.

It's obviously early but what these rookies have shown thus far has been very surprising. I think the no crowds has really helped them. No distractions of the partying life as well.


Surprising how so? Seems like you are pleasantly surprised? I mean so far no one has particularly played well. Edwards is averaging 15 points on 41% shooting. Wiseman is averaging 5.8 rebounds & Ball is averaging 3.5 assists and 2.5 TO a game. No rookie has stood out so far. Haliburton is playing well but taking only 6.3 shots a game.
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Post#1784 » by ZOMG » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:48 pm

Chi town wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Chi town wrote:PW is always going to be compared to Melo though since Bulls could have traded up and didn't.

Melo looks like a star in the making. Already flashing beyond Lonzo. The way he has played thus far he could have solved all of our playmaking problems.


Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.


GSW floated WCJ and 2 for 4 and it seems like AK said no. MIN was open for business too.

It's obviously early but what these rookies have shown thus far has been very surprising. I think the no crowds has really helped them. No distractions of the partying life as well.


Huh?? I think it was the other way around. Bulls offered Wendell but GS wasn't interested.

Here's how it was reported:

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/report-bulls-offered-wendell-carter-no-4-warriors-trade-draft
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1785 » by Chi town » Fri Jan 1, 2021 12:43 am

Jcool0 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.


GSW floated WCJ and 2 for 4 and it seems like AK said no. MIN was open for business too.

It's obviously early but what these rookies have shown thus far has been very surprising. I think the no crowds has really helped them. No distractions of the partying life as well.


Surprising how so? Seems like you are pleasantly surprised? I mean so far no one has particularly played well. Edwards is averaging 15 points on 41% shooting. Wiseman is averaging 5.8 rebounds & Ball is averaging 3.5 assists and 2.5 TO a game. No rookie has stood out so far. Haliburton is playing well but taking only 6.3 shots a game.


This class was supposed to be awful and they had no training camp. Lots of these guys are contributing early. That’s not normal for an awful class. A lot of them are playing like vet role players.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1786 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jan 1, 2021 12:49 am

Chi town wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
GSW floated WCJ and 2 for 4 and it seems like AK said no. MIN was open for business too.

It's obviously early but what these rookies have shown thus far has been very surprising. I think the no crowds has really helped them. No distractions of the partying life as well.


Surprising how so? Seems like you are pleasantly surprised? I mean so far no one has particularly played well. Edwards is averaging 15 points on 41% shooting. Wiseman is averaging 5.8 rebounds & Ball is averaging 3.5 assists and 2.5 TO a game. No rookie has stood out so far. Haliburton is playing well but taking only 6.3 shots a game.


This class was supposed to be awful and they had no training camp. Lots of these guys are contributing early. That’s not normal for an awful class. A lot of them are playing like vet role players.


The draft lacked flashy athletic scorers/shooters so naturally people said this draft was awful.

Reality is the draft is loaded with playmakers, raw talent, good all around talents, good defenders. It's a different type of draft but this draft looks pretty deep with players who can develop into all stars later in their careers.
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Post#1787 » by Clocian » Fri Jan 1, 2021 1:27 am

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Post#1788 » by cjbulls » Fri Jan 1, 2021 1:32 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Chi town wrote:PW is always going to be compared to Melo though since Bulls could have traded up and didn't.

Melo looks like a star in the making. Already flashing beyond Lonzo. The way he has played thus far he could have solved all of our playmaking problems.


Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.


Minnesota and Golden State made the picks more publicly available than any teams in the last 25 years.

There is a good question about price though. Future unprotected picks were a non-starter I’d guess for a new FO, but the Bulls had lots of young players to dangle. Either way, the opportunity was there but the Bulls chose not to make a move.
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Post#1789 » by cjbulls » Fri Jan 1, 2021 1:40 am

The lack of any other stats besides shooting is a bit concerning. For a guy pegged as a great athlete, team role player, and someone just trying to fit in right now, he has a surprisingly low number of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

His defense appears decent, which isn’t reflected in the stats, but I don’t see his destiny as a big time scorer so he needs to be contributing in other ways.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1790 » by Dez » Fri Jan 1, 2021 1:48 am

cjbulls wrote:The lack of any other stats besides shooting is a bit concerning. For a guy pegged as a great athlete, team role player, and someone just trying to fit in right now, he has a surprisingly low number of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

His defense appears decent, which isn’t reflected in the stats, but I don’t see his destiny as a big time scorer so he needs to be contributing in other ways.


You're trying to analyze too much from 5 games from a rookie, you're not going to get any idea of what he might become from 5 games.
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Post#1791 » by cjbulls » Fri Jan 1, 2021 1:52 am

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cjbulls wrote:The lack of any other stats besides shooting is a bit concerning. For a guy pegged as a great athlete, team role player, and someone just trying to fit in right now, he has a surprisingly low number of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

His defense appears decent, which isn’t reflected in the stats, but I don’t see his destiny as a big time scorer so he needs to be contributing in other ways.


You're trying to analyze too much from 5 games from a rookie, you're not going to get any idea of what he might become from 5 games.


5 games, plus 4 preseason games, plus 29 college games.

Forwards don’t generally start becoming big playmakers, or good rebounders, etc. after they reach the NBA. I can buy that he will expand his scoring from the current standstill 3 or pull up mid range, but this other “stuff” isn’t apparent
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#1792 » by CjayC » Fri Jan 1, 2021 1:52 am

cjbulls wrote:The lack of any other stats besides shooting is a bit concerning. For a guy pegged as a great athlete, team role player, and someone just trying to fit in right now, he has a surprisingly low number of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

His defense appears decent, which isn’t reflected in the stats, but I don’t see his destiny as a big time scorer so he needs to be contributing in other ways.


Some of these skills aren't reflected on a box score. He's had some good passes that flashed his vision, where teammates didn't convert. You could say the same for rebounding( although I agree that doesn't appear to be a strong area of his).
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Post#1793 » by fleet » Fri Jan 1, 2021 1:55 am

Eh, I see good rebounding ability when he is in position to compete for balls. He just doesn’t crash the boards. Gotta believe Billy isn’t asking him to. :dontknow:
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Post#1794 » by cjbulls » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:01 am

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cjbulls wrote:The lack of any other stats besides shooting is a bit concerning. For a guy pegged as a great athlete, team role player, and someone just trying to fit in right now, he has a surprisingly low number of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

His defense appears decent, which isn’t reflected in the stats, but I don’t see his destiny as a big time scorer so he needs to be contributing in other ways.


Some of these skills aren't reflected on a box score. He's had some good passes that flashed his vision, where teammates didn't convert. You could say the same for rebounding( although I agree that doesn't appear to be a strong area of his).


I agree that he’s shown a few advanced passes reflecting good vision, but the numbers are very limited right now. Something to keep an eye on.

It’s just weird reading his box score and seeing 4-5, 10 pts, and then basically all zeroes. Especially for a guy who is seemingly built to be a multifaceted player.
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Post#1795 » by Indomitable » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:02 am

Jcool0 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.


GSW floated WCJ and 2 for 4 and it seems like AK said no. MIN was open for business too.

It's obviously early but what these rookies have shown thus far has been very surprising. I think the no crowds has really helped them. No distractions of the partying life as well.


Surprising how so? Seems like you are pleasantly surprised? I mean so far no one has particularly played well. Edwards is averaging 15 points on 41% shooting. Wiseman is averaging 5.8 rebounds & Ball is averaging 3.5 assists and 2.5 TO a game. No rookie has stood out so far. Haliburton is playing well but taking only 6.3 shots a game.

Hailburton is a player who does a lot to help you win.
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Post#1796 » by PaKii94 » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:09 am

PWill is playing solid ball. The numbers don't pop because he's not being utilized. That's okay as a rookie. He doesn't need to score to be effective. I'm encouraged by the all around game and the no fatal flaws.
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Post#1797 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:11 am

cjbulls wrote:The lack of any other stats besides shooting is a bit concerning. For a guy pegged as a great athlete, team role player, and someone just trying to fit in right now, he has a surprisingly low number of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

His defense appears decent, which isn’t reflected in the stats, but I don’t see his destiny as a big time scorer so he needs to be contributing in other ways.


I think he needs to be challenged to hit the boards in particular. I don’t see him getting bullied under the basket, but he also isn’t even trying to grab out of area rebounds. Weird to see from a big, strong guy with great hands. Hopefully the coaching staff pushes him bit by bit.

I’d also like to see him try harder to get all the way to the rim. He’s hunting that midrange shot right now, when ideally he’d use it to open up his drives.

That said, the pull-up potential dwarfs those concerns for me.
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Post#1798 » by fleet » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:16 am

PaKii94 wrote:PWill is playing solid ball. The numbers don't pop because he's not being utilized. That's okay as a rookie. He doesn't need to score to be effective. I'm encouraged by the all around game and the no fatal flaws.

His utilization and role is so bare bones it has to be by design. Even as it stands, he is an efficient double digit guy every night
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Post#1799 » by Dez » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:16 am

cjbulls wrote:
Dez wrote:
cjbulls wrote:The lack of any other stats besides shooting is a bit concerning. For a guy pegged as a great athlete, team role player, and someone just trying to fit in right now, he has a surprisingly low number of rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

His defense appears decent, which isn’t reflected in the stats, but I don’t see his destiny as a big time scorer so he needs to be contributing in other ways.


You're trying to analyze too much from 5 games from a rookie, you're not going to get any idea of what he might become from 5 games.


5 games, plus 4 preseason games, plus 29 college games.

Forwards don’t generally start becoming big playmakers, or good rebounders, etc. after they reach the NBA. I can buy that he will expand his scoring from the current standstill 3 or pull up mid range, but this other “stuff” isn’t apparent


He's on the perimeter on offense the majority of the time, not really in a position to grab boards.

It's a rookie being a rookie, playing team ball doing what is asked of him.
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Post#1800 » by Hold That » Fri Jan 1, 2021 2:57 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Chi town wrote:PW is always going to be compared to Melo though since Bulls could have traded up and didn't.

Melo looks like a star in the making. Already flashing beyond Lonzo. The way he has played thus far he could have solved all of our playmaking problems.


Who says we could have traded up and at whet cost? I’m not certainly to making any judgements after 4 games on who will be the better players either. We have another lottery pick coming up to address PG if need be.

Lamelo is quickly proving to be worth the cost of Lauri and the 4th pick to have moved up to get him, the price the bulls weren’t reportedly willing to pay. But who’s to say that would’ve been enough.

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