ImageImageImage

It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

Moderators: bisme37, Parliament10, canman1971, shackles10, snowman, Froob, Darthlukey, Shak_Celts

bucknersrevenge
RealGM
Posts: 11,341
And1: 15,355
Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Location: Southern Maryland
Contact:
         

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1781 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:07 pm

Ernest wrote:I'm feeling like keeping Kemba becomes a stronger option as each game goes by. He doesn't look hurt at all out there. The only real knock on him now is that he doesn't play back to backs- but he could. We are just choosing (wisely) not to play him to increase our chances in the playoffs.

Can we realistically duck the over tax line next season? Thats the question. Tatum will get a big pay hike. We don't know what we have with Fournier yet or how much keeping him will cost. If we could delay the repeater tax another year it might be worht trading Kemba. But once you go over you might as well really go over- as long as the players are good. There has been a lot of talk about losing guys for nothing. When you are under the cap, it doens't matter so much as you can just sign a new guy or make a trade that takes on salary. Once we are all in and over the tax line we are really limited in how we add players.

Maybe we just hold on to Kemba and 2 years from now, he is the expiring contract we attach Romeo or Nesmith too and bring back the final piece to the puzzle.


Ernest, I'm glad you brought this up. It's an interesting evolving debate. Here's the debate at the surface level, for me anyways. I've got 3 players to consider after this season: Kemba, Marcus, and FournHub. We won't be in the tax this year so next year we could go over. But as we all know, it starts to get REAL expensive, real fast once you wade into this territory. So...

Marcus: Could be an ideal starting primary ballhandler for this team. Best passer on the team. Best defender. Enables Brad to field completely switchable lineups. A leader on the floor and in the lockeroom. Someone that everyone respects. Maybe command close to 20M 2 years from now which is a considerable discount from Kemba. Ideally, doesn't need a ton of shots to function on this team which is ideal if Kemba or FournHub are taking more (which they should). But he's also the most tradeable of the 3. Almost any team would want him and you could get in return for him a player or players in a package that could fill in what remaining holes you might have. Plus, I don't think it takes a star primary ballhandler to run this offense. It can fit most guys as we've seen.

Kemba: Still an explosive guy who can carry you for quarters if not games anymore. Well-respected leader on this team. It's taken him all year but he finally looks more bouncy from game to game, and maybe even just as important, he's looking more and more like he's finally finding his fit with the Jays on the court. Remember earlier it looked so awkward with all of them on the court together? Doesn't look like that lately. He told everyone that HE needed to adjust to fit in with our 2 young stars, not the other way around and lately, it looks like he finally has. Starting to pass the ball well and be a playmaker for others now which is not something he has really done. I think as Fournier gets added to the mix, you'll see that blossom even further. He's converting at the rim now at like 70%. His jumper is still off though and inconsistent. Plus, it's gonna be hard to move him in the offseason. We'll need to add sweeteners to get him off this team.

FournHub: This is the wildcard. Right now he's a relative unknown. But if everyone was calling this acquisition "Hayward-lite", how likely is it that his skillset is NOT gonna translate here? We've already seen in a small sample size what he can do. His shooting blends with the Jay's so well here it's scary. He and Smart need less Usage than Kemba to impact the game around our 2 main guys. He spreads the floor. He moves without the ball. As a tertiary scorer, with HIS efficiency, what do you think would happen if you gave him Kemba's 15 shots in this system? But we didn't give up much for him. 2 2nd rounders are nothing. Could Danny afford the optics of how it would look to let him leave? He may want similar to what Smart will get. How about another sign n trade if he doesn't want to stay here. Can you really sign him and NOT prepare for him to be a starter next season next to the Jays? Would he even agree to that? Middle of the season is one thing but I imagine, Evan thinks himself a starter.

Sorry for the book but if this brings us back to your thought at the end, could we actually keep all 3? Would that even work? I kinda feel like one way or another, a choice will have to be made.
and that's "MR. Irrelevant" to you!!

Founder of The Red's Disciples Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKArn8FGRYRxGqNDg8J4IAQ/featured
Ernest
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,628
And1: 1,271
Joined: Jun 16, 2019

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1782 » by Ernest » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:23 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Ernest wrote:I'm feeling like keeping Kemba becomes a stronger option as each game goes by. He doesn't look hurt at all out there. The only real knock on him now is that he doesn't play back to backs- but he could. We are just choosing (wisely) not to play him to increase our chances in the playoffs.

Can we realistically duck the over tax line next season? Thats the question. Tatum will get a big pay hike. We don't know what we have with Fournier yet or how much keeping him will cost. If we could delay the repeater tax another year it might be worht trading Kemba. But once you go over you might as well really go over- as long as the players are good. There has been a lot of talk about losing guys for nothing. When you are under the cap, it doens't matter so much as you can just sign a new guy or make a trade that takes on salary. Once we are all in and over the tax line we are really limited in how we add players.

Maybe we just hold on to Kemba and 2 years from now, he is the expiring contract we attach Romeo or Nesmith too and bring back the final piece to the puzzle.


Ernest, I'm glad you brought this up. It's an interesting evolving debate. Here's the debate at the surface level, for me anyways. I've got 3 players to consider after this season: Kemba, Marcus, and FournHub. We won't be in the tax this year so next year we could go over. But as we all know, it starts to get REAL expensive, real fast once you wade into this territory. So...

Marcus: Could be an ideal starting primary ballhandler for this team. Best passer on the team. Best defender. Enables Brad to field completely switchable lineups. A leader on the floor and in the lockeroom. Someone that everyone respects. Maybe command close to 20M 2 years from now which is a considerable discount from Kemba. Ideally, doesn't need a ton of shots to function on this team which is ideal if Kemba or FournHub are taking more (which they should). But he's also the most tradeable of the 3. Almost any team would want him and you could get in return for him a player or players in a package that could fill in what remaining holes you might have. Plus, I don't think it takes a star primary ballhandler to run this offense. It can fit most guys as we've seen.

Kemba: Still an explosive guy who can carry you for quarters if not games anymore. Well-respected leader on this team. It's taken him all year but he finally looks more bouncy from game to game, and maybe even just as important, he's looking more and more like he's finally finding his fit with the Jays on the court. Remember earlier it looked so awkward with all of them on the court together. Doesn't look like that lately. He told everyone that HE needed to adjust to fit in with our 2 young stars, not the other way around and lately, it looks like he finally has. Starting to pass the ball well and be a playmaker for others now which is not something he has really done. I think as Fournier gets added to the mix, you'll see that blossom even further. He's converting at the rim now at like 70%. His jumper is still off though and inconsistent. Plus, it's gonna be hard to move him in the offseason. We'll need to add sweeteners to get him off this team.

FournHub: This is the wildcard. Right now he's a relative unknown. But if everyone was calling this acquisition "Hayward-lite", how likely is it that his skillset is NOT gonna translate here? We've already seen in a small sample size what he can do. His shooting blends with the Jay's so well here it's scary. He and Smart need less Usage than Kemba to impact the game around our 2 main guys. He spreads the floor. He moves without the ball. As a tertiary scorer, with HIS efficiency, what do you think would happen if you gave him Kemba's 15 shots in this system? But we didn't give up much for him. 2 2nd rounders are nothing. Could Danny afford the optics of how it would look to let him leave? He may want similar to what Smart will get. How about another sign n trade if he doesn't want to stay here. Can you really sign him and NOT prepare for him to be a starter next season next to the Jays? Would he even agree to that? Middle of the season is one thing but I imagine, Evan thinks himself a starter.

Sorry for the book but if this brings us back to your thought at the end, could we actually keep all 3? Would that even work? I kinda feel like one way or another, a choice will have to be made.


I agree but I don't think we trade Smart. He might be the best defender in the NBA. The awards go to bigs-whatever. He plays elite D. We'd have to get a crazy return to make trading him make any sense. Smart is much better than Kemba and should be the leader, but I think Smart really only cares about winning. Kemba too. I don't see those guys fighting it out. And we have another year on Smarts cheap deal.

Once we go over the tax line what each guy makes doesn't really matter so much anymore. I wish we still had some number guys around to break down the costs and risks going forward.

I guess the other interesting question is what would Kemba fetch us in a potential summer trade? I know people have been mad on here and saying he has negative value but thats bonkers. If some team decides Kemba is the guy they want to start a culture change and help a rebuild and they are willing to pony up real assets things could get interesting.
bucknersrevenge
RealGM
Posts: 11,341
And1: 15,355
Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Location: Southern Maryland
Contact:
         

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1783 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:55 pm

Ernest wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
Ernest wrote:I'm feeling like keeping Kemba becomes a stronger option as each game goes by. He doesn't look hurt at all out there. The only real knock on him now is that he doesn't play back to backs- but he could. We are just choosing (wisely) not to play him to increase our chances in the playoffs.

Can we realistically duck the over tax line next season? Thats the question. Tatum will get a big pay hike. We don't know what we have with Fournier yet or how much keeping him will cost. If we could delay the repeater tax another year it might be worht trading Kemba. But once you go over you might as well really go over- as long as the players are good. There has been a lot of talk about losing guys for nothing. When you are under the cap, it doens't matter so much as you can just sign a new guy or make a trade that takes on salary. Once we are all in and over the tax line we are really limited in how we add players.

Maybe we just hold on to Kemba and 2 years from now, he is the expiring contract we attach Romeo or Nesmith too and bring back the final piece to the puzzle.


Ernest, I'm glad you brought this up. It's an interesting evolving debate. Here's the debate at the surface level, for me anyways. I've got 3 players to consider after this season: Kemba, Marcus, and FournHub. We won't be in the tax this year so next year we could go over. But as we all know, it starts to get REAL expensive, real fast once you wade into this territory. So...

Marcus: Could be an ideal starting primary ballhandler for this team. Best passer on the team. Best defender. Enables Brad to field completely switchable lineups. A leader on the floor and in the lockeroom. Someone that everyone respects. Maybe command close to 20M 2 years from now which is a considerable discount from Kemba. Ideally, doesn't need a ton of shots to function on this team which is ideal if Kemba or FournHub are taking more (which they should). But he's also the most tradeable of the 3. Almost any team would want him and you could get in return for him a player or players in a package that could fill in what remaining holes you might have. Plus, I don't think it takes a star primary ballhandler to run this offense. It can fit most guys as we've seen.

Kemba: Still an explosive guy who can carry you for quarters if not games anymore. Well-respected leader on this team. It's taken him all year but he finally looks more bouncy from game to game, and maybe even just as important, he's looking more and more like he's finally finding his fit with the Jays on the court. Remember earlier it looked so awkward with all of them on the court together. Doesn't look like that lately. He told everyone that HE needed to adjust to fit in with our 2 young stars, not the other way around and lately, it looks like he finally has. Starting to pass the ball well and be a playmaker for others now which is not something he has really done. I think as Fournier gets added to the mix, you'll see that blossom even further. He's converting at the rim now at like 70%. His jumper is still off though and inconsistent. Plus, it's gonna be hard to move him in the offseason. We'll need to add sweeteners to get him off this team.

FournHub: This is the wildcard. Right now he's a relative unknown. But if everyone was calling this acquisition "Hayward-lite", how likely is it that his skillset is NOT gonna translate here? We've already seen in a small sample size what he can do. His shooting blends with the Jay's so well here it's scary. He and Smart need less Usage than Kemba to impact the game around our 2 main guys. He spreads the floor. He moves without the ball. As a tertiary scorer, with HIS efficiency, what do you think would happen if you gave him Kemba's 15 shots in this system? But we didn't give up much for him. 2 2nd rounders are nothing. Could Danny afford the optics of how it would look to let him leave? He may want similar to what Smart will get. How about another sign n trade if he doesn't want to stay here. Can you really sign him and NOT prepare for him to be a starter next season next to the Jays? Would he even agree to that? Middle of the season is one thing but I imagine, Evan thinks himself a starter.

Sorry for the book but if this brings us back to your thought at the end, could we actually keep all 3? Would that even work? I kinda feel like one way or another, a choice will have to be made.


I agree but I don't think we trade Smart. He might be the best defender in the NBA. The awards go to bigs-whatever. He plays elite D. We'd have to get a crazy return to make trading him make any sense. Smart is much better than Kemba and should be the leader, but I think Smart really only cares about winning. Kemba too. I don't see those guys fighting it out. And we have another year on Smarts cheap deal.

Once we go over the tax line what each guy makes doesn't really matter so much anymore. I wish we still had some number guys around to break down the costs and risks going forward.

I guess the other interesting question is what would Kemba fetch us in a potential summer trade? I know people have been mad on here and saying he has negative value but thats bonkers. If some team decides Kemba is the guy they want to start a culture change and help a rebuild and they are willing to pony up real assets things could get interesting.


There's only been two ideas that I've been able to come up with for Kemba and I may or may not have mentioned them to you:

Kemba and Nesmith for Al Horford- salaries don't have to match. OKC does Al a favor for being a good citizen and sending him back to a place where he did well. In return they take on Kemba who can teach a little bit to SGA (who played well in 2 guard lineups next to CP3 before, mind you so it's not a crazy idea). And they get a potential longterm rotation guy in Nesmith who could maybe be a shooter/scorer to build with. We obviously get a favorite of many back (along with his sister). We get a little overcrowded at the big spot so maybe TT gets moved after that but Horford obviously knows what we do here. 20mpg off the bench seems like a good fit for him.

Kemba for Frank Ntilikina and Kevin Knox- Kemba goes home to the Bronx and adds some much needed firepower to a Knicks team that doesn't score a lot and needs a PG. Their first choice is obviously Ball, but if that falls through, I could see them being interested. Fans will love bringing a native son home and and in doing so, they unload 2 contracts that they would otherwise have to make decisions on shortly. Maybe we move one or both in subsequent deals.

Beyond that, not sure who would be interested in Kemba.
and that's "MR. Irrelevant" to you!!

Founder of The Red's Disciples Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKArn8FGRYRxGqNDg8J4IAQ/featured
User avatar
Celts17Pride
RealGM
Posts: 68,401
And1: 70,137
Joined: Nov 27, 2005

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1784 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:05 pm

Kemba Walker has played pretty well the last few weeks. Just want to point that out. Kemba getting more and more healthy
User avatar
Disinformation
Starter
Posts: 2,239
And1: 3,076
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
   

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1785 » by Disinformation » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:11 am

Celts17Pride wrote:Kemba Walker has played pretty well the last few weeks. Just want to point that out. Kemba getting more and more healthy


Good. That will make it easier to trade him.

:P :lol:
Disinformation's Manifesto for the 2021 Offseason

It's a brave new world. No one knows what's going to happen, least of all me.
JediMasterRevan
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,856
And1: 1,047
Joined: Nov 06, 2020

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1786 » by JediMasterRevan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:39 pm

I really like Rob Williams but he is always hurt. Gotta upgrade starting center.

Also it is an absolute must to do something about Grant Williams playing 20 minutes per game. I have been hoping but have not seen yet Parker playing more than Grant even though over the last 2 games there has been zero reason for that to happen. For all his faults Parker is vastly superior a player than Grant.

When Fournier is back I am not as concerned with having to play Romeo out there as Romeo shouldn't ever have to shoot the ball.

And Kemba gotta go for a defensive playmaker at PG (Still hoping for Ball)
But assuming Kemba is stuck here until his contract is up.

Kemba/Pritchard/?????
Smart/Fournier/?????
Brown/Romeo or Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/?????
???/Thompson/Kornet

Would love Ball and Wood to be the starting PG and Center next season.
bucknersrevenge
RealGM
Posts: 11,341
And1: 15,355
Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Location: Southern Maryland
Contact:
         

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1787 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:39 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:I really like Rob Williams but he is always hurt. Gotta upgrade starting center.

Also it is an absolute must to do something about Grant Williams playing 20 minutes per game. I have been hoping but have not seen yet Parker playing more than Grant even though over the last 2 games there has been zero reason for that to happen. For all his faults Parker is vastly superior a player than Grant.

When Fournier is back I am not as concerned with having to play Romeo out there as Romeo shouldn't ever have to shoot the ball.

And Kemba gotta go for a defensive playmaker at PG (Still hoping for Ball)
But assuming Kemba is stuck here until his contract is up.

Kemba/Pritchard/?????
Smart/Fournier/?????
Brown/Romeo or Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/?????
???/Thompson/Kornet

Would love Ball and Wood to be the starting PG and Center next season.


Right now, there's one. And it's a pretty good one. Parker has no idea yet what he's doing on defense here. I know, cue the obvious Grant jokes, but Brad is going to go with guys he trusts at that end who at least know the rotations.
and that's "MR. Irrelevant" to you!!

Founder of The Red's Disciples Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKArn8FGRYRxGqNDg8J4IAQ/featured
User avatar
Celts17Pride
RealGM
Posts: 68,401
And1: 70,137
Joined: Nov 27, 2005

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1788 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:07 pm

Call me crazy but I still think there is an outside chance that Carsen Edwards is cut (even with 1 year remaining on his contract for $1.7 million) and Ainge adds another vet for a playoff run.

Pretty interesting on a night when the Celtics are extremely shorthanded that Edwards is the only player not to see 1 minute of floor time. Even a two way player (Waters) played over him.

Not saying it's going to happen, just saying I wouldn't be surprised.
Curmudgeon
RealGM
Posts: 41,979
And1: 25,743
Joined: Jan 20, 2004
Location: Boston, MA

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1789 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:36 pm

Wasn't April 15 the cut off for playoff eligibility?
"Numbers lie alot. Wins and losses don't lie." - Jerry West
"You are what your record says you are."- Bill Parcells
"Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. Rebounding wins championships." Pat Summit
User avatar
Celts17Pride
RealGM
Posts: 68,401
And1: 70,137
Joined: Nov 27, 2005

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1790 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:39 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Wasn't April 15 the cut off for playoff eligibility?

You can add a player at anytime before the end of the season and still be eligible to play in the playoffs. The player you add has to be cut from their former team before April 9th to be playoff eligible. The two exceptions are any player who was on a 10 day contract during the April 9th cut off date and players that were playing overseas.
Hal14
RealGM
Posts: 22,174
And1: 21,020
Joined: Apr 05, 2019

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1791 » by Hal14 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:57 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Ernest wrote:I'm feeling like keeping Kemba becomes a stronger option as each game goes by. He doesn't look hurt at all out there. The only real knock on him now is that he doesn't play back to backs- but he could. We are just choosing (wisely) not to play him to increase our chances in the playoffs.

Can we realistically duck the over tax line next season? Thats the question. Tatum will get a big pay hike. We don't know what we have with Fournier yet or how much keeping him will cost. If we could delay the repeater tax another year it might be worht trading Kemba. But once you go over you might as well really go over- as long as the players are good. There has been a lot of talk about losing guys for nothing. When you are under the cap, it doens't matter so much as you can just sign a new guy or make a trade that takes on salary. Once we are all in and over the tax line we are really limited in how we add players.

Maybe we just hold on to Kemba and 2 years from now, he is the expiring contract we attach Romeo or Nesmith too and bring back the final piece to the puzzle.


Ernest, I'm glad you brought this up. It's an interesting evolving debate. Here's the debate at the surface level, for me anyways. I've got 3 players to consider after this season: Kemba, Marcus, and FournHub. We won't be in the tax this year so next year we could go over. But as we all know, it starts to get REAL expensive, real fast once you wade into this territory. So...

Marcus: Could be an ideal starting primary ballhandler for this team. Best passer on the team. Best defender. Enables Brad to field completely switchable lineups. A leader on the floor and in the lockeroom. Someone that everyone respects. Maybe command close to 20M 2 years from now which is a considerable discount from Kemba. Ideally, doesn't need a ton of shots to function on this team which is ideal if Kemba or FournHub are taking more (which they should). But he's also the most tradeable of the 3. Almost any team would want him and you could get in return for him a player or players in a package that could fill in what remaining holes you might have. Plus, I don't think it takes a star primary ballhandler to run this offense. It can fit most guys as we've seen.

Kemba: Still an explosive guy who can carry you for quarters if not games anymore. Well-respected leader on this team. It's taken him all year but he finally looks more bouncy from game to game, and maybe even just as important, he's looking more and more like he's finally finding his fit with the Jays on the court. Remember earlier it looked so awkward with all of them on the court together? Doesn't look like that lately. He told everyone that HE needed to adjust to fit in with our 2 young stars, not the other way around and lately, it looks like he finally has. Starting to pass the ball well and be a playmaker for others now which is not something he has really done. I think as Fournier gets added to the mix, you'll see that blossom even further. He's converting at the rim now at like 70%. His jumper is still off though and inconsistent. Plus, it's gonna be hard to move him in the offseason. We'll need to add sweeteners to get him off this team.

FournHub: This is the wildcard. Right now he's a relative unknown. But if everyone was calling this acquisition "Hayward-lite", how likely is it that his skillset is NOT gonna translate here? We've already seen in a small sample size what he can do. His shooting blends with the Jay's so well here it's scary. He and Smart need less Usage than Kemba to impact the game around our 2 main guys. He spreads the floor. He moves without the ball. As a tertiary scorer, with HIS efficiency, what do you think would happen if you gave him Kemba's 15 shots in this system? But we didn't give up much for him. 2 2nd rounders are nothing. Could Danny afford the optics of how it would look to let him leave? He may want similar to what Smart will get. How about another sign n trade if he doesn't want to stay here. Can you really sign him and NOT prepare for him to be a starter next season next to the Jays? Would he even agree to that? Middle of the season is one thing but I imagine, Evan thinks himself a starter.

Sorry for the book but if this brings us back to your thought at the end, could we actually keep all 3? Would that even work? I kinda feel like one way or another, a choice will have to be made.

I think we can keep all 3. Guards and wings run the league these days.

What this season has shown us is you need depth. If we are able to finally get Walker/Fournier/Smart/Tatum/Brown all healthy together for an extended period of time, we could really be tough to stop. If Time Lord can get healthy and keep developing he'll be even better next season which is scary since this season he's top 10 in the NBA in PER, BPM, TS%, FG%, rebounding %, blocks %, offensive rating and defensive rating.

This was a weird season with COVID, an insane amount of injuries/illness, a highly condensed schedule of games. Next season if we keep this core together, they get more time to gel and stay healthy, we could be scary..
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
Hal14
RealGM
Posts: 22,174
And1: 21,020
Joined: Apr 05, 2019

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1792 » by Hal14 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:04 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Call me crazy but I still think there is an outside chance that Carsen Edwards is cut (even with 1 year remaining on his contract for $1.7 million) and Ainge adds another vet for a playoff run.

Pretty interesting on a night when the Celtics are extremely shorthanded that Edwards is the only player not to see 1 minute of floor time. Even a two way player (Waters) played over him.

Not saying it's going to happen, just saying I wouldn't be surprised.

Edwards needs to go.

He's a 5'11" SG who can't play defense. He plays hard, seems like a nice guy. But he just doesn't belong on an an NBA roster - at least not the roster of a playoff team with hopes of contending. I could see him at least being mildly useful on a bad team.

Maybe you drop him and pick up Austin Rivers?

Or just wait till the offseason, drop him then to make room on the roster for Yam Madar..
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
User avatar
Celts17Pride
RealGM
Posts: 68,401
And1: 70,137
Joined: Nov 27, 2005

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1793 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:19 pm

Read on Twitter
Hal14
RealGM
Posts: 22,174
And1: 21,020
Joined: Apr 05, 2019

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1794 » by Hal14 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:22 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:I really like Rob Williams but he is always hurt. Gotta upgrade starting center.

Also it is an absolute must to do something about Grant Williams playing 20 minutes per game. I have been hoping but have not seen yet Parker playing more than Grant even though over the last 2 games there has been zero reason for that to happen. For all his faults Parker is vastly superior a player than Grant.

When Fournier is back I am not as concerned with having to play Romeo out there as Romeo shouldn't ever have to shoot the ball.

And Kemba gotta go for a defensive playmaker at PG (Still hoping for Ball)
But assuming Kemba is stuck here until his contract is up.

Kemba/Pritchard/?????
Smart/Fournier/?????
Brown/Romeo or Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/?????
???/Thompson/Kornet

Would love Ball and Wood to be the starting PG and Center next season.

lol, wow giving up on Time Lord already? You do realize that he's top 10 in the entire NBA in FG%, TS%, PER, BPM, offensive rating, defensive rating, blocks % and rebounding %, right? And he's only 23, not to mention one of the better passing bigs in the league.

Some of the games he's missed this season were to COVID, not injury. Celtics have played 58 games. Time Lord has played in 47. Out of the 11 games he's missed, 4 of them were due to COVID and 1 was due to a non COVID related illness. So that means out of 58 games he has only missed 6 to injury.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
hugepatsfan
General Manager
Posts: 8,883
And1: 9,347
Joined: May 28, 2020
       

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1795 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:36 pm

Offseason deal...

BOS gets: F Al Faroq Aminu (taken into remainder of Hayward TPE), G Tomas Satoransky (his $5M partial guarantee taken into Theis TPE), G Colby White
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, G Aaron Nesmith

This deal creates the cap space CHI needs to go sign Lonzo Ball to an offer sheet NO won't match, who they reportedly covet. White hasn't blossomed there next to Lavine which is a reason they want Lonzo. Pritchard fits very well as a backup PG there and then Nesmith could develop as a bench shooter.

White fits the mold of what Stevens has liked as a fast, scoring PG. He can be the bench scorer for now, but he has the upside to develop into Kemba's eventual replacement, compared to a guy like Pritchard who really is just a backup IMO. It's an upside buy for sure.

Sato would have his $5M partial guarantee waived and stretched since we wouldn't have a need for him.

Now you wait 30 days so Aminu's expiring salary can be aggregated in another trade...

BOS gets: C Al Horford
OKC gets: C Tristan Thompson, F Al Faroq-Aminu, G Carsen Edwards

We all talk about Timelord's shot blocking, but I think it's the OFFENSE that has taken off with him starting. His ability as a passer has opened things up a ton. Tatum/Brown are still learning how to be better playmakers for others. Smart's lack of finishing ability inside makes it tougher for him to break the defense down off the dribble because they don't over-help on him in the paint. The ability to put those eventual ball handlers in off ball movement before they actually get the ball has been a "head start" or "cheat code" to helping them break defenses down off the dribble once they do get it. That's made possible by Timelord's ability as a passer to start plays.

We all know Horford brings that same skill set. And at this stage of his career, we can basically upgrade from Thompson to him for free. It's all about financial savings for OKC.

Also you compliment these moves by re-signing Fournier to a 3 year deal. Sets you up for a rotation of:

Kemba / White
Smart / Langford
Brown / Fournier
Tatum / Parker or Grant
Timelord / Horford (or start Horford, idk)

We also have our 1st rounder and the MLE and vet min signings.

For '21-22 this is definitely an expensive roster. No doubt. And then in '22-23 it's incredibly expensive if you assume Smart and Rob will be re-signed and you decide to pay Horford $26M to play vs $14.5M to walk.

However, that next year Kemba and Horford expire so you go back below the tax again. Fournier will be an expiring deal that makes him a possible trade chip. Hopefully guys like White, Langford, and our next couple of 1st rounders have developed into rotation pieces as well.
Hal14
RealGM
Posts: 22,174
And1: 21,020
Joined: Apr 05, 2019

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1796 » by Hal14 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:52 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Offseason deal...

BOS gets: F Al Faroq Aminu (taken into remainder of Hayward TPE), G Tomas Satoransky (his $5M partial guarantee taken into Theis TPE), G Colby White
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, G Aaron Nesmith

This deal creates the cap space CHI needs to go sign Lonzo Ball to an offer sheet NO won't match, who they reportedly covet. White hasn't blossomed there next to Lavine which is a reason they want Lonzo. Pritchard fits very well as a backup PG there and then Nesmith could develop as a bench shooter.

White fits the mold of what Stevens has liked as a fast, scoring PG. He can be the bench scorer for now, but he has the upside to develop into Kemba's eventual replacement, compared to a guy like Pritchard who really is just a backup IMO. It's an upside buy for sure.

Sato would have his $5M partial guarantee waived and stretched since we wouldn't have a need for him.

Now you wait 30 days so Aminu's expiring salary can be aggregated in another trade...

BOS gets: C Al Horford
OKC gets: C Tristan Thompson, F Al Faroq-Aminu, G Carsen Edwards

We all talk about Timelord's shot blocking, but I think it's the OFFENSE that has taken off with him starting. His ability as a passer has opened things up a ton. Tatum/Brown are still learning how to be better playmakers for others. Smart's lack of finishing ability inside makes it tougher for him to break the defense down off the dribble because they don't over-help on him in the paint. The ability to put those eventual ball handlers in off ball movement before they actually get the ball has been a "head start" or "cheat code" to helping them break defenses down off the dribble once they do get it. That's made possible by Timelord's ability as a passer to start plays.

We all know Horford brings that same skill set. And at this stage of his career, we can basically upgrade from Thompson to him for free. It's all about financial savings for OKC.

Also you compliment these moves by re-signing Fournier to a 3 year deal. Sets you up for a rotation of:

Kemba / White
Smart / Langford
Brown / Fournier
Tatum / Parker or Grant
Timelord / Horford (or start Horford, idk)

We also have our 1st rounder and the MLE and vet min signings.

For '21-22 this is definitely an expensive roster. No doubt. And then in '22-23 it's incredibly expensive if you assume Smart and Rob will be re-signed and you decide to pay Horford $26M to play vs $14.5M to walk.

However, that next year Kemba and Horford expire so you go back below the tax again. Fournier will be an expiring deal that makes him a possible trade chip. Hopefully guys like White, Langford, and our next couple of 1st rounders have developed into rotation pieces as well.

Solid moves, especially upgrading from Pritchard to White. White is quicker, 3 inches taller, better defender and overall more poised/more sure of himself on offense.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
CelticsPride18
General Manager
Posts: 9,474
And1: 11,513
Joined: Oct 31, 2013
       

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1797 » by CelticsPride18 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:54 pm

Hal14 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Offseason deal...

BOS gets: F Al Faroq Aminu (taken into remainder of Hayward TPE), G Tomas Satoransky (his $5M partial guarantee taken into Theis TPE), G Colby White
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, G Aaron Nesmith

This deal creates the cap space CHI needs to go sign Lonzo Ball to an offer sheet NO won't match, who they reportedly covet. White hasn't blossomed there next to Lavine which is a reason they want Lonzo. Pritchard fits very well as a backup PG there and then Nesmith could develop as a bench shooter.

White fits the mold of what Stevens has liked as a fast, scoring PG. He can be the bench scorer for now, but he has the upside to develop into Kemba's eventual replacement, compared to a guy like Pritchard who really is just a backup IMO. It's an upside buy for sure.

Sato would have his $5M partial guarantee waived and stretched since we wouldn't have a need for him.

Now you wait 30 days so Aminu's expiring salary can be aggregated in another trade...

BOS gets: C Al Horford
OKC gets: C Tristan Thompson, F Al Faroq-Aminu, G Carsen Edwards

We all talk about Timelord's shot blocking, but I think it's the OFFENSE that has taken off with him starting. His ability as a passer has opened things up a ton. Tatum/Brown are still learning how to be better playmakers for others. Smart's lack of finishing ability inside makes it tougher for him to break the defense down off the dribble because they don't over-help on him in the paint. The ability to put those eventual ball handlers in off ball movement before they actually get the ball has been a "head start" or "cheat code" to helping them break defenses down off the dribble once they do get it. That's made possible by Timelord's ability as a passer to start plays.

We all know Horford brings that same skill set. And at this stage of his career, we can basically upgrade from Thompson to him for free. It's all about financial savings for OKC.

Also you compliment these moves by re-signing Fournier to a 3 year deal. Sets you up for a rotation of:

Kemba / White
Smart / Langford
Brown / Fournier
Tatum / Parker or Grant
Timelord / Horford (or start Horford, idk)

We also have our 1st rounder and the MLE and vet min signings.

For '21-22 this is definitely an expensive roster. No doubt. And then in '22-23 it's incredibly expensive if you assume Smart and Rob will be re-signed and you decide to pay Horford $26M to play vs $14.5M to walk.

However, that next year Kemba and Horford expire so you go back below the tax again. Fournier will be an expiring deal that makes him a possible trade chip. Hopefully guys like White, Langford, and our next couple of 1st rounders have developed into rotation pieces as well.

Solid moves, especially upgrading from Pritchard to White. White is quicker, 3 inches taller, better defender and overall more poised/more sure of himself on offense.


The only thing White has on Pritchard is his size. Pritchard is a better shooter/scorer/passer/defender.
BK_2020
RealGM
Posts: 17,013
And1: 15,752
Joined: Sep 08, 2020
 

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1798 » by BK_2020 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:57 pm

Coby White has Jaylen handles, he can't play PG.
keevsnick1
Analyst
Posts: 3,110
And1: 4,709
Joined: Feb 27, 2017
       

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1799 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:06 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Offseason deal...

BOS gets: F Al Faroq Aminu (taken into remainder of Hayward TPE), G Tomas Satoransky (his $5M partial guarantee taken into Theis TPE), G Colby White
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, G Aaron Nesmith

This deal creates the cap space CHI needs to go sign Lonzo Ball to an offer sheet NO won't match, who they reportedly covet. White hasn't blossomed there next to Lavine which is a reason they want Lonzo. Pritchard fits very well as a backup PG there and then Nesmith could develop as a bench shooter.

White fits the mold of what Stevens has liked as a fast, scoring PG. He can be the bench scorer for now, but he has the upside to develop into Kemba's eventual replacement, compared to a guy like Pritchard who really is just a backup IMO. It's an upside buy for sure.

Sato would have his $5M partial guarantee waived and stretched since we wouldn't have a need for him.

Now you wait 30 days so Aminu's expiring salary can be aggregated in another trade...

BOS gets: C Al Horford
OKC gets: C Tristan Thompson, F Al Faroq-Aminu, G Carsen Edwards

We all talk about Timelord's shot blocking, but I think it's the OFFENSE that has taken off with him starting. His ability as a passer has opened things up a ton. Tatum/Brown are still learning how to be better playmakers for others. Smart's lack of finishing ability inside makes it tougher for him to break the defense down off the dribble because they don't over-help on him in the paint. The ability to put those eventual ball handlers in off ball movement before they actually get the ball has been a "head start" or "cheat code" to helping them break defenses down off the dribble once they do get it. That's made possible by Timelord's ability as a passer to start plays.

We all know Horford brings that same skill set. And at this stage of his career, we can basically upgrade from Thompson to him for free. It's all about financial savings for OKC.

Also you compliment these moves by re-signing Fournier to a 3 year deal. Sets you up for a rotation of:

Kemba / White
Smart / Langford
Brown / Fournier
Tatum / Parker or Grant
Timelord / Horford (or start Horford, idk)

We also have our 1st rounder and the MLE and vet min signings.

For '21-22 this is definitely an expensive roster. No doubt. And then in '22-23 it's incredibly expensive if you assume Smart and Rob will be re-signed and you decide to pay Horford $26M to play vs $14.5M to walk.

However, that next year Kemba and Horford expire so you go back below the tax again. Fournier will be an expiring deal that makes him a possible trade chip. Hopefully guys like White, Langford, and our next couple of 1st rounders have developed into rotation pieces as well.


Ya theres no way that the celtics are paying what it would take for that roster. Literally zero percent chance. Horford makes 27 million next year. Fournier will likely get more than the 17 he's making now. You're talking over 35 million into the tax. Forget adding Horford, its gonna be tough just to bring back Fournier without trading smart or Kemba.
Hal14
RealGM
Posts: 22,174
And1: 21,020
Joined: Apr 05, 2019

Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#1800 » by Hal14 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:11 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Offseason deal...

BOS gets: F Al Faroq Aminu (taken into remainder of Hayward TPE), G Tomas Satoransky (his $5M partial guarantee taken into Theis TPE), G Colby White
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, G Aaron Nesmith

This deal creates the cap space CHI needs to go sign Lonzo Ball to an offer sheet NO won't match, who they reportedly covet. White hasn't blossomed there next to Lavine which is a reason they want Lonzo. Pritchard fits very well as a backup PG there and then Nesmith could develop as a bench shooter.

White fits the mold of what Stevens has liked as a fast, scoring PG. He can be the bench scorer for now, but he has the upside to develop into Kemba's eventual replacement, compared to a guy like Pritchard who really is just a backup IMO. It's an upside buy for sure.

Sato would have his $5M partial guarantee waived and stretched since we wouldn't have a need for him.

Now you wait 30 days so Aminu's expiring salary can be aggregated in another trade...

BOS gets: C Al Horford
OKC gets: C Tristan Thompson, F Al Faroq-Aminu, G Carsen Edwards

We all talk about Timelord's shot blocking, but I think it's the OFFENSE that has taken off with him starting. His ability as a passer has opened things up a ton. Tatum/Brown are still learning how to be better playmakers for others. Smart's lack of finishing ability inside makes it tougher for him to break the defense down off the dribble because they don't over-help on him in the paint. The ability to put those eventual ball handlers in off ball movement before they actually get the ball has been a "head start" or "cheat code" to helping them break defenses down off the dribble once they do get it. That's made possible by Timelord's ability as a passer to start plays.

We all know Horford brings that same skill set. And at this stage of his career, we can basically upgrade from Thompson to him for free. It's all about financial savings for OKC.

Also you compliment these moves by re-signing Fournier to a 3 year deal. Sets you up for a rotation of:

Kemba / White
Smart / Langford
Brown / Fournier
Tatum / Parker or Grant
Timelord / Horford (or start Horford, idk)

We also have our 1st rounder and the MLE and vet min signings.

For '21-22 this is definitely an expensive roster. No doubt. And then in '22-23 it's incredibly expensive if you assume Smart and Rob will be re-signed and you decide to pay Horford $26M to play vs $14.5M to walk.

However, that next year Kemba and Horford expire so you go back below the tax again. Fournier will be an expiring deal that makes him a possible trade chip. Hopefully guys like White, Langford, and our next couple of 1st rounders have developed into rotation pieces as well.

Solid moves, especially upgrading from Pritchard to White. White is quicker, 3 inches taller, better defender and overall more poised/more sure of himself on offense.


The only thing White has on Pritchard is his size. Pritchard is a better shooter/scorer/passer/defender.

Wow, that's a homer comment. Look, I like Pritchard but being realistic he is clearly not as good as White. the increased mins he saw last night his defense was exposed. He's too small and too slow. They were abusing him on D, a few different times as soon as he switched onto a bigger guys they went right at him for easy buckets. White was 7th pick in the draft. Pritchard was 26th but was projected to go early-mid 2nd round.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)

Return to Boston Celtics