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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1781 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:29 pm

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Yes he is, he will thrive with open threes spacing the floor


Randle barely shot 30% on C&S 3's.... :lol:


With no PG play resulting in low quality shots. Problem solved with Brunson


he shot 29% on wide open 3's last year (that means a defender not within 6 feet of him).

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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1782 » by god shammgod » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:29 pm

i don't see the knicks giving up their whole bench to dump randle or the lakers giving up a pick for him when they could get kyrie for that pick probably. this seems very unlikely.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1783 » by DOT » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:29 pm

moocow007 wrote:Why else do you think Westbrook is still a Laker even though the Lakers have been trying to trade him for some time.

Because the Lakers don't want to trade picks 5 and 7 years from now just to dump Westbrook without making any meaningful improvement to their roster

Like, if you look at any of the rumors, they all say that teams are asking for the picks, and the Lakers aren't willing to give them up

The picks have value because nobody expects the Lakers to be any good in 5-7 years, the Lakers included, which is why teams are asking for them and they're not giving them up.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1784 » by F N 11 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:29 pm

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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1785 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:29 pm

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Kampuchea wrote:It’s like he wasn’t just all NBA a couple seasons ago. :noway:

He didn't really belong there though.

He was a good starter for the Knicks, who needed a playmaker to run the offense through, and he played well in that role.

But if any Knick deserved to make All-NBA, it was Derrick Rose.


Knicks are going to have to get rid of Rose in any Mitchell trade because heaven forbid there be THREE players who can attack the rim.

Thank god in most scenarios he's being traded. *shudders*
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1786 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:30 pm

Kampuchea wrote:It’s like he wasn’t just all NBA a couple seasons ago. :noway:


I mean you can say the same for Westbrick. He was MVP a few seasons ago. It doesn't mean anything.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1787 » by Stannis » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:31 pm

I'd even give Lakers a pick to get rid of Randle lol
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1788 » by F N 11 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:31 pm



I been saying this since the Post game he didn’t seem to like Randle.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1789 » by moocow007 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:31 pm

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Juco24 wrote:Read that Lakers willing to include picks to take Westbrook... can we convey to Jazz? Just thinking...


The Lakers next 1st round pick that they can actually trade is in 2027. And we think the 1st round picks we got from OKC has little value? Yes, if you hate Julius Randle then yeah you can tell the Lakers to just keep the picks cause we hates him. But otherwise, those picks are **** value. Why else do you think Westbrook is still a Laker even though the Lakers have been trying to trade him for some time. Trading for Mitchell and signing Brunson makes the Knicks a here and now. Why trade your most talented player on the team for a couple low value 1st round picks?


Every 1st round pick is valuable.


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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1790 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:32 pm

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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1791 » by stuporman » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:man if leon can trade for mitch for 5-6 1sts and then get back 2 1sts from the lakers for Randle that would be some nice swindling


Not to mention after turning this draft's #11 into three 1sts and the cap space to sign Brunson. So Mitchell would only really cost them 2-3 1sts while also dumping Randle/Fournier plus adding Brunson/Hart.

If that is the Knicks off season there are very few fans or media that could justifiably criticize Rose especially if they were able to keep their youth, like RJ, Obi and IQ.


not exactly...the picks we got probably aren't going in the Mitchell trade.

It will be our own picks. Not every pick is created equal.


Both will, some NYK picks and some of the others. The picks that people are disregarding will actually wind up being better picks than the ones the Knicks give of their own. The Knicks ones will more likely be in the 20s and the other ones more likely in the teens.

The only different is in appearance, the 'unprotected' jizzing that fans, media and even Ainge will do over them probably won't translate into them being better picks than the ones that are coming from Wash and Det once the protections go down to a lower point they'll convey in the teens, not Mil one tho.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1792 » by moocow007 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 pm

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moocow007 wrote:Why else do you think Westbrook is still a Laker even though the Lakers have been trying to trade him for some time.

Because the Lakers don't want to trade picks 5 and 7 years from now just to dump Westbrook without making any meaningful improvement to their roster

Like, if you look at any of the rumors, they all say that teams are asking for the picks, and the Lakers aren't willing to give them up

The picks have value because nobody expects the Lakers to be any good in 5-7 years, the Lakers included, which is why teams are asking for them and they're not giving them up.


The Lakers are the 2nd winningest franchise in NBA history. That kinda shows that if you are going to be betting on a team 5 to 7 years from now to be bad that you don't bet on a team like the Lakers. If this was the Cavs, ok. Magic. Ok. Hornets. Ok.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1793 » by F N 11 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 pm

Realistically how can we get Westbrook’s salary? Include Cam??
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1794 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm

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I been saying this since the Post game he didn’t seem to like Randle.



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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1795 » by DOT » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm

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ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell's strength is attacking the basket.. Brunson's strength is operating in the paint with a live dribble and floaters. Think about it and explain to me how they complement each other.


Because all NBA teams only have one guy who can dribble a basketball towards the basket with any ability...

You've been watching the Knicks for too long.

As long as both guys can shoot off the catch, it's fine

Brunson shot 40% off the catch last year, 44% 2 years ago. Mitchell shot 35% off the catch last year, 43% two years ago

I think there's this idea that there can only be one "the guy" who does all the ball handling, but that's just not how teams work

Like, yeah, by having both of them on the court, you're taking away some opportunities for them to do what they do best, but would you rather have 40 possessions per game of Brunson doing his thing or 30 possessions per game each for Brunson and Mitchell to have the ball in their hands?

I'm worried about the defense, the offense would be great.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1796 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm

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Not to mention after turning this draft's #11 into three 1sts and the cap space to sign Brunson. So Mitchell would only really cost them 2-3 1sts while also dumping Randle/Fournier plus adding Brunson/Hart.

If that is the Knicks off season there are very few fans or media that could justifiably criticize Rose especially if they were able to keep their youth, like RJ, Obi and IQ.


not exactly...the picks we got probably aren't going in the Mitchell trade.

It will be our own picks. Not every pick is created equal.


Both will, some NYK picks and some of the others. The picks that people are disregarding will actually wind up being better picks than the ones the Knicks give of their own. The Knicks ones will more likely be in the 20s and the other ones more likely in the teens.

The only different is in appearance, the 'unprotected' jizzing that fans, media and even Ainge will do over them probably won't translate into them being better picks than the ones that are coming from Wash and Det once the protections go down to a lower point they'll convey in the teens, not Mil one tho.



if we want to keep some of our young guys I think most of the picks will have to be our unprotected picks
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1797 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm

F N 11 wrote:Realistically how can we get Westbrook’s salary? Include Cam??


Randle and Fournier
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1798 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:35 pm

Stannis wrote:I'd even give Lakers a pick to get rid of Randle lol


the good thing is they will give us 2 :D
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1799 » by moocow007 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:35 pm

Guys...those Lakers picks have value. They just don't have much value. Not the value that some of you guys in fantasy land are dreaming they have. And certainly not for any current front office who by the by are the guys that are determining value. What NBA front office would value draft picks coming from the 2nd winningest franchise in league history, a team that players ALWAYS have on top of their lists to play and seem to get what they want AND that won't materialize for 5 and 7 years from now as value? The average lifespan of an NBA front office executive is not 5 years. You don't get brownie points (or back pay or your job back) if the next GM does something with those picks assuming that the Lakers buck the odds and are a bad team in 2026-2027 and 2028-2029 respectively. I'm honestly not sure how to explain this any more. This is like fantasizing about dating that chubby girl that works the registers a Rite Aid hoping that somehow she'd lose weight and become a Victoria's Secret model.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4 

Post#1800 » by god shammgod » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:35 pm

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moocow007 wrote:Why else do you think Westbrook is still a Laker even though the Lakers have been trying to trade him for some time.

Because the Lakers don't want to trade picks 5 and 7 years from now just to dump Westbrook without making any meaningful improvement to their roster

Like, if you look at any of the rumors, they all say that teams are asking for the picks, and the Lakers aren't willing to give them up

The picks have value because nobody expects the Lakers to be any good in 5-7 years, the Lakers included, which is why teams are asking for them and they're not giving them up.


there's even some thought they don't want to trade those picks at all because lebron is expiring and old and they might feel this team's window is over even if they got someone like kyrie. it seems logical if they were actually giving up both of those picks, kyrie is probably already a laker.

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