NBA Trade Thread #12

[WindyCityBorn]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/5-best-landing-spots-mikal-165911115.html

Bridges anyone?

Not sure we have assets to make the deal.

No.

[WindyCityBorn]

We would need a legit small forward, 3&D to play alongside Matas.. not Siakam

We just drafted the forward that will be paired with Matas.

[Infinity2152]

Remember when we wouldn't give up some minor assets to move up 2 spots and drafted Kirk Hinrich? Rumor was Donyell Marshall or something we wouldn't give up? Cost us Dwayne Wade. Heat would have died if they took that trade. Moving a pick or two down can cost you way more than the value of that future first.

If you have Noa as a top 5 prospect and he's available at #12, you draft him. You're already winning, what's the cost to jump from #12 to top 5? Maybe by the time you get your pick at 16, nobody in your top 15 are available. That's a huge drop in talent.

Attribute Noa Essengue (2025) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2013)
Height (no shoes) 6'10" ~ 6'9" (estimated, no official combine)
Height (with shoes) Not listed 6'11" (official NBA listing)
Weight 198 lbs 196 lbs (at draft)
Wingspan 7'1" ~ 7'3" (estimated)
Standing Reach 9'3.25" 9'2" (estimated)
Max Vertical 35.5" Unknown (not tested at combine)
Age at Draft 18 18
Position Power Forward Forward (SF/PF/PG hybrid)

I will chime when we say player A with nothing other than measurables and very limited career #'s is being compared to an all time great based on that info as if there is an established path from Noa today to Giannis. This is so unlikely it's silly. There have been 100 guys who have been similar in the same ways that aren't even in the league anymore because it didn't play out that way.

There have CERTAINLY not been 100 guys drafted with the measurements of Giannis and Noa who have played pro ball since 16. I never said he would have the success of Giannis, nor did I even hint at that. Are we really going to ignore measurables? Yes, it's possible to put too much on measurables. Absolutely. But what would you compare two 17 year old players by? Same size, same age, same weight, play same position, both high motor, both overseas players, score off dunks, poor shooters, both great athletes. Both handle the ball well at that height. Measurables are almost exactly the same, but they have more in common than just their builds.

I hope nobody ever compares any rookie to any player ever if players can have that much in common and still can't be compared as far as potential. If he was his exact clone, it would probably be too much to compare him Giannis's potential, lmao!

Give me a reason Giannis's (pick 15) potential on draft night was viewed higher than Noa's (pick 12) potential on draft night. Not after we've seen Giannis's career. Why doesn't Noa have equal potential?

[WesPeace]

We would need a legit small forward, 3&D to play alongside Matas.. not Siakam

We just drafted the forward that will be paired with Matas.

Noa and Matas are a bit similar and also very tall for SF at 6'10.. I still see Matas more as PF, not just because of height but also defense, aka rim protection, blocks, rebounds.. Noa could grow even more and be more center, when he builds up his frame at that size.

[sco]

We would need a legit small forward, 3&D to play alongside Matas.. not Siakam

We just drafted the forward that will be paired with Matas.

Noa and Matas are a bit similar and also very tall for SF at 6'10.. I still see Matas more as PF, not just because of height but also defense, aka rim protection, blocks, rebounds.. Noa could grow even more and be more center, when he builds up his frame at that size.

I would like them to be switchable at the F-spots defensively. Offensively, I see no difference in the role.

[Infinity2152]

Markannen, the "Finnisher", 7'0 and very similar player to Matas, plays both. Arguable which one he plays better at, even after he bulked up some. With all the switching and small lineups and big lineups, it's time to stop worrying about position and focus on putting 5 guys that can play well together. We have centers leading teams in assists and guards leading the teams in rebounds nowadays, lol.

Noa and Matas together means you could play them both at forward spots, or one at center and one at PF at any time.

I'd say the Noa/Matas pairing at forward gives you crazy length, extra rebounding and shot blocking vs most forward pairings. Both could be great as big rim runners at SF too. Better help defense and extra rim protection.

Downside: Until Noa gets his shooting up, you have less shooting and ability to guard smaller players than a lot of 2 forward lineups. The extra shooting could come from other positions and we need a guard who can play POA defense anyway. Expecting Matas volume to increase too. If our new center has range, we'll be just fine.

[sco]

Markannen, the "Finnisher", 7'0 and very similar player to Matas, plays both. Arguable which one he plays better at, even after he bulked up some. With all the switching and small lineups and big lineups, it's time to stop worrying about position and focus on putting 5 guys that can play well together. We have centers leading teams in assists and guards leading the teams in rebounds nowadays, lol.

Noa and Matas together means you could play them both at forward spots, or one at center and one at PF at any time.

I'd say the Noa/Matas pairing at forward gives you crazy length, extra rebounding and shot blocking vs most forward pairings. Both could be great as big rim runners at SF too. Better help defense and extra rim protection.

Downside: Until Noa gets his shooting up, you have less shooting and ability to guard smaller players than a lot of 2 forward lineups. The extra shooting could come from other positions and we need a guard who can play POA defense anyway. Expecting Matas volume to increase too. If our new center has range, we'll be just fine.

Fair point, but IMO, Noa isn't sniffing the starting role until he develops for at least 1 season (barring a tank), but given the roster, more likely not until his 3rd season. Optimistically, he's developed a more rounded offensive game by then.

[Infinity2152]

Oh, I don't want Noa starting now. I'm looking to the future. Coby stays, we got Giddey, Coby, Matas, Noa at young starting 4. I think it's putting a lot on Matas to expect him to dominate next year.

Want these guys to run, play hard, stay healthy and grow together this year. Wins are extra.

[Infinity2152]

I'm happy we got Noa. Now here's the new trade. Ace Bailey does not want to be in Utah. As of Friday morning, he hadn't reported to the team. What would we have to add to Noa to get Bailey, and would you do it? Chicago's a major market, his team would probably love for him to be traded here.

Much as I like Noa, would give Utah a good deal to get Bailey. Here's the deal. Coby White/Noa Essengue for Ace Bailey/Jordan Clarkson. Might add Portland pick if forced. Coby is far superior to Jordan Clarkson. Clarkson is 33 and expiring, too. That's a huge upgrade for them to get a player drafted 7 spots later that was projected top 10. Re-sign Coby, they potentially have two great young players trading one.

For us, getting Bailey. It's Bailey. Seems like just a month or two ago he was in the running for the #2 pick. I know he's shorter than expected, he's still 6'7 with a 7'ft wingspan.

[WesPeace]

If Bailey doesnt want to play for Jazz, thats their problem to solve, they need solution and escape from situation.. we dont need to give too much assets to help them out. Swap 1 for 1 only with POR pick added, thats about it.

But he would fit better alongside Matas probably than Essengue, thats true.

[Infinity2152]

Not trying to help them out. I really like Noa, but Bailey's a better prospect to be our star imo. If you could trade Kirk Hinrich for Dwayne Wade, a player drafted one player later, on draft night, would it be worth it to give up a Coby White? All year Bailey was a top 3 prospect.

How about this? Say the Bulls on draft night traded Coby and pick #12 to move up to 3 or 4 and grabbed Bailey. That's probably not considered a bad move anywhere, considering Coby's expiring. We're trying to get a star. Which combo more likely produces a star, White/Noa or Clarkson/Bailey?

We can replace Coby long term with the $30 mill we'd be saving from re-signing him in 2026.

[WindyCityBorn]

We would need a legit small forward, 3&D to play alongside Matas.. not Siakam

We just drafted the forward that will be paired with Matas.

Noa and Matas are a bit similar and also very tall for SF at 6'10.. I still see Matas more as PF, not just because of height but also defense, aka rim protection, blocks, rebounds.. Noa could grow even more and be more center, when he builds up his frame at that size.

Noa will likely never be center if he grows to 7 feet plus.

[WindyCityBorn]

Not trying to help them out. I really like Noa, but Bailey's a better prospect to be our star imo. If you could trade Kirk Hinrich for Dwayne Wade, a player drafted one player later, on draft night, would it be worth it to give up a Coby White? All year Bailey was a top 3 prospect.

How about this? Say the Bulls on draft night traded Coby and pick #12 to move up to 4 and grabbed Bailey. That's probably not considered a bad move anywhere, considering Coby's expiring. We're trying to get a star. Which combo more likely produces a star, White/Noa or Clarkson/Bailey?

No one was giving us #4 or #5 for #12/Coby White.

[Infinity2152]

Not trying to help them out. I really like Noa, but Bailey's a better prospect to be our star imo. If you could trade Kirk Hinrich for Dwayne Wade, a player drafted one player later, on draft night, would it be worth it to give up a Coby White? All year Bailey was a top 3 prospect.

How about this? Say the Bulls on draft night traded Coby and pick #12 to move up to 4 and grabbed Bailey. That's probably not considered a bad move anywhere, considering Coby's expiring. We're trying to get a star. Which combo more likely produces a star, White/Noa or Clarkson/Bailey?

No one was giving us #4 or #5 for #12/Coby White.

That's what I'm saying!!!! So if we get Bailey/Clarkson for Coby/Noa (pick 12), we're winning. Not doing Utah a favor. Only reason we have a chance is because Bailey REALLY doesn't want to be there. We're taking advantage of their situation.

[WesPeace]

We just drafted the forward that will be paired with Matas.

Noa and Matas are a bit similar and also very tall for SF at 6'10.. I still see Matas more as PF, not just because of height but also defense, aka rim protection, blocks, rebounds.. Noa could grow even more and be more center, when he builds up his frame at that size.

Noa will likely never be center if he grows to 7 feet plus.

If toothpick Chet can play it, I'm sure any very tall skinny dude can Noa will have bigger body frame than Chet in 2 years imho

[Infinity2152]

Noa and Matas are a bit similar and also very tall for SF at 6'10.. I still see Matas more as PF, not just because of height but also defense, aka rim protection, blocks, rebounds.. Noa could grow even more and be more center, when he builds up his frame at that size.

Noa will likely never be center if he grows to 7 feet plus.

If toothpick Chet can play it, I'm sure any very tall skinny dude can Noa will have bigger body frame than Chet in 2 years imho

You know, I thought exactly the same thing about Chet and Noa, lol! Probably not Noa's best position, but Wemby is pretty damn skinny too. Noa gets his shot up, he could be effective at PF or center, think he's going to get too big to play SF.

[sco]

Not trying to help them out. I really like Noa, but Bailey's a better prospect to be our star imo. If you could trade Kirk Hinrich for Dwayne Wade, a player drafted one player later, on draft night, would it be worth it to give up a Coby White? All year Bailey was a top 3 prospect.

How about this? Say the Bulls on draft night traded Coby and pick #12 to move up to 4 and grabbed Bailey. That's probably not considered a bad move anywhere, considering Coby's expiring. We're trying to get a star. Which combo more likely produces a star, White/Noa or Clarkson/Bailey?

No one was giving us #4 or #5 for #12/Coby White.

That's what I'm saying!!!! So if we get Bailey/Clarkson for Coby/Noa (pick 12), we're winning. Not doing Utah a favor. Only reason we have a chance is because Bailey REALLY doesn't want to be there. We're taking advantage of their situation.

Coby plus POR 1st is as far as I would go. I'm not too high on Bailey, but I feel like Coby is easily replaced and POR 1st has limited upside. I'd be willing to take back salary (Clarkson). Utah could probably do better, but not much.

[Infinity2152]

No one was giving us #4 or #5 for #12/Coby White.

That's what I'm saying!!!! So if we get Bailey/Clarkson for Coby/Noa (pick 12), we're winning. Not doing Utah a favor. Only reason we have a chance is because Bailey REALLY doesn't want to be there. We're taking advantage of their situation.

Coby plus POR 1st is as far as I would go. I'm not too high on Bailey, but I feel like Coby is easily replaced and POR 1st has limited upside. I'd be willing to take back salary (Clarkson). Utah could probably do better, but not much.

Might be dead now. His agent came out today, official word is he's happy to be in Utah.

Windhorst is reporting Utah is not trading him, no matter what Bailey wants.

[burlydee]

Cam Whitmore for Ball. Straight up, it works in the trade machine. Maybe Houston throws in a couple seconds. Ball is a good back up guard to add to their mix.

The Bulls get a young wing scorer who's been buried on the bench early in his career. Also save money to resign Tre Jone and pay Giddey.

Giddey / Jones
Coby / Ayo / Terry / THT
Huerter / Whitmore / Phillips
Matas / Essengue / Williams
Vuc / Collins / Smith

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