The Official Lin Net Thread

[Prokorov]

Nobody said they think Lin is better than Harden the topic was if he is better than Jarret Jack. It got derailed. I believe that he might be but I understand if people view Jack as the superior player. I mostly watched him on golden state and saw lots of potential in him.

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false, M40 said it, several agreed (or at least said you cant compare lin to harden due to circumstances)

[Prokorov]

omg. comparing harden to lin? some of you Lin fans need to take a chill pill. And I'm one of the Lin fans.

It was Prokhorov who dragged the "Lin vs Harden" garbage into this thread, perhaps in an attempt to troll the Lin fans. Beyond my one observation (right here) that Harden pads his stats a lot, I refuse to respond to the troll on this topic.

edit: per mods, not engaging in this nonsense.

[Prokorov]

Nobody said they think Lin is better than Harden the topic was if he is better than Jarret Jack. It got derailed. I believe that he might be but I understand if people view Jack as the superior player. I mostly watched him on golden state and saw lots of potential in him.
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Exactly...I think this is where Lin-fan should debate, specially against Prohkorov....Prokorov has latched on the "Harden vs Lin" debate to make Lin fan looked like fools...He clearly hates Lin and wants to make other Nets fan hate Lin fan by thinking all of them are dellusional

But this is the same guy who also believe Lin is no better or "slightly better" than Jack.

I believe Lin is better than Jarrett Jacks...Prohkorov doesn't think so.

If the moderator banned these Lin fan who won't stop comparing Lin to stars players like Lillard and Harden, this Prohkorov guy should also go for instigating such a debate..It is clear he wanted Rondo and hate the fact Nets chose Lin...so now, he comes on here to pick obscene fight with Lin fan.

Granted, Lin fan should stop comparing Lin to players who are all-stars.

Compare Lin to Teague, Deron Williams, Elfraid Payton, Carter-Williams, George Hill, D'Angelo, Schroeder, Mudiay..etc..you can make a decent case for Lin with these players.

All these players above are either on par with Lin or not much better...Compare Lin to them, Lin fan!..I'd even put the current Derrick Rose on that list..and many more.

Lin only has to play like a top 10 PG with the Nets..He doesn't have to be top 5.

please stop putting words in my mouth... if you are going to tell people i think jack is better then lin or hate line then quote the posts where i said it.

i said neither...

i HAVE said lin is an upgrade to jack. i said that STATISTICALLY he wasnt much better last year and questioned how (as in to what degree) much better lin will be. we dont know. i dont think it will be a lebron type impact leading to 10-20 more wins. more like a handful.

if new posters ar going to come here and make outragous claims like lin > harden im going to call them out. if you think that makes lin fans take it up with the ones posting that garbage, not me

[Prokorov]

Enough with the Lin vs. Harden (or any other star) comparisons. The last Lin thread was locked due to derailment and this one will be too if people can't stay on topic.

As Rich said intimated in the OP, those who cannot talk about Lin without resorting to bashing other posters will be dealt with.

This goes for those who support, dislike, or attempt to instigate/bait others into a discussion about Lin.

Stop derailing the thread and bringing up topics that aren't relevant or worthy of discussion.

-NyCe

can I still ask Prok where he's getting his RAPM numbers from? i assumed we were getting RAPM single and multi metrics from the same source because I don't see where he got the negative numbers from

same spreadsheet as you. thought it was -.91 but it was +.91. corrected it.

[bws94]

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY HATERS TRY TO PUT LIN DOWN. IF BROOKLYN WANTED TO USE HIM AS A MARKETING TOOL, WHY NOW ? WHY NOT BEFORE. IT IS SICKENING HOW FAR PEOPLE GO TO MARGINALIZE THIS KID. FIRST IS HE CANT SHOOT, HIS LEFT HAND, HIS DEFENSE. NOW A MARKETING TOOL.... BRAVO.....

lol calm down dude

Flip - Nice to see you here. I'll definitely be following Charlotte this year too.

I'm a Hornets fan. I enjoy watching that team. Lin's gone from it, and I'll miss him there, but that team is still one that I'll root for strong. I think Lin will get a huge ovation when he goes back and that fans cheer him on as long as he doesn't get too crazy.

I agree with the poster that would like to push Atkinson as a development coach and not have Lin marketed so strongly (some Lin is OK, but not too much). Lin and B. Lopez (seriously not into the BrookLin stuff), are the veterans along with some 2nd team players like Vazquez and Foye. And, I just hope they are competitive. It's hard to predict wins. Maybe 3 or 4 point losses are frustrating and still L's, but it is better than just being total outclassed by most competition. And it would be nice to look good or occasionally beat some of the top competition some games as well.

I'm a basketball fan. New York born and raised and rooted for the Knicks many years but also rooted for the J-Kidd/Jefferson NJ Nets teams when they had their run. I'm in some ways nomadic but I've been watching basketball for decades. Lin is one of my favorites of the current crop, his story is a little different, I think he's far from a finished product, and he's exciting to watch and makes all of his team exciting to watch when he gets it going. But he's number 7 on the court, some things he does well, others not so well. Sometimes he plays mostly well, other times well below what he's capable of.

[m40]

Nobody said they think Lin is better than Harden the topic was if he is better than Jarret Jack. It got derailed. I believe that he might be but I understand if people view Jack as the superior player. I mostly watched him on golden state and saw lots of potential in him.

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false, M40 said it, several agreed (or at least said you cant compare lin to harden due to circumstances)

I did said Lin is better than Haren in term of def and teamwork. (Esp def is well accepted as haren has worst def in league) Did I say haren overall is better than Lin? Yes, I also said the gap is not that big. Gap not that big doesn't mean Lin is better.
Even so I don't see any ptr to keep comparing them.

You? Just a guy who try to stir up arguement here - start up this stupid comparison and seldom talk any constructive things for nets roster or how Lin can work next season. (Feel sad for nets)

I really don't see what you want to discuss so far except keep comparing two totally unrelated players for so many pages. Sigh.

[bws94]

the difference between harden and lin is not "opportuntnity" or "getting to do whatever he wants"

the difference is one is one of the most efficienct and prolific scorers in NBA history and the other is an average NBA player.

I'm not saying you're wrong. the facts are proving it.

Average or not, we will see after one full season. You might be right about Lin or you might be wrong, time will tell.

This isnt a Lin thing... and its not about him being good or not. The simple truth is that Harden is an Elite MVP calibur player who is many times better then Lin. Lin could have a fantastic, career year and it would still fall well short of harden.

thats no knock on Lin. very few are as good as harden. maybe 4 or 5 guys in the entire league. It was unfair for the original poster to make that comparison(I did not bring it up). But im not going to sit here and take criticism for pointing out how silly it is to suggest lin is as good or better then harden when he isnt anywhere near his class of player

I'd like to suggest the title of the hit song from Frozen. "Let it Go". You're not convincing anyone who wants to compare Lin to Harden or Lillard or LeBron or any other superstar, that he isn't on their level, and it's just all OT now. I'm disappointed to see it here in this new thread.

Edit: Sorry, mods. I posted this before I read your post about halting the Lin-Harden comparo talk. So, great job and thanks.

[bws94]

who is the more famous lin in NYC

jeremy lin or lin-Manuel Miranda?

Right now, Miranda. But he left the show. Overall, Jeremy.

[bws94]

for lin to be really good, any coach has to tolerate his TO issues... he will turn the ball over, but he will make a lot more plays that a star player usually makes... Lin can't subdue his aggressiveness, that's essential for his scoring and play making...

I think he is much improved last season, those mind bogging change mind in mid-air give up a layup/floater/jumper for a pass, dont remember seeing it last yr, correct me if i am wrong. probe much better, drive into a crowd a lot less, and he learn ways to solved it eventually. irrc last yr about half of his TOs come from loose force pass, another half from got hit/strip while driving? anyone can make a video about all of his TOs then we can count the types with exact number.

biggest concern is still his 3p shooting, he have to kill the big man switch on him, or opponent can always switch on him then his offense is dead. in PO Heat figured out switched Haslem on him but he banked in a flute, that wont happen everyday.

A lot of his TOs came from charging too. Cliff and Silas helped him a great deal.

His three point shooting will surely improve from last season getting used to the form change.

I think a good 20 percent of them come from charging. Lin's passes aren't intercepting that much. He sometimes gets strips when he drives, gets the ball stolen from him by longer defenders, doesn't pass out of the trap effectively, or catchable passes are fumbled by his receivers. Sometimes Lin passes from some angles and speeds that some can't catch, so he has to learn who can handle his bullet short-range passes and who can't. I think we'll see a lot of those fumbled passes the first 2 or 3 months on this team. But if some of the more athletic guys like RHJ can move around and create off of defensive disruption steals, we'll see some fun fast-break no-look lobs and passes that end in RHJ dunks. In fact, Lin needs some high-jumpers so he can throw those lobs from anywhere on the court. He did some of that with Lamb last season but he didn't really have the personnel to do much of that.

[bws94]

My general feeling is players are ingredients. Sometimes you mix them together, put them in the oven, and something really unexpectedly good comes out of it. Other times, it tastes just like you thought it would. Where's the dog? Let's hope it "tastes" better than we could ever envision, and that it's enjoyable to "eat" lol.

[Keith Van Horn]

I do have to say I've only seen Lin a few times, really only when he's played the Nets. And I'll never forget the start of Linsanity when he torched the Nets. I gotta say I'm excited for him and us this year and think he'll do very well with Lopez. I just wish we had a more complete and better team to put around him.

[lleepar]

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He knows what he's facing in Brooklyn. But Atkinson worked tirelessly to help him survive during Linsanity, and now Jeremy wants to do everything he can to help Atkinson survive and thrive. They may both flame out -- but not for lack of giving it everything they have to give.

Yeah the fact that they have this friendship going way back is cool. Did you see the Snapchat video Lin posted from Summer League of KA on sidelines - with Lin commenting in video about the "rookie coach" and how he is showing good form in his pacing the sidelines.

Yes, I did see the Snapchat video. I think the player/coach prior relationship will help facilitate communication between them, especially since there are a lot of other new players on the team. They're not starting from scratch learning how the other thinks.
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[DartboardT]

Lin hasn't been on a team more than a season since Rockets. Stability alone would help, some form of team continuity would help still further.

If Lin adjusts to that new shot form of his (he should), he definitely has "middle-of-the-road-starting-PG-in-this-league" potential. No real glaring deficiencies in his game left. One of the weaknesses in his game people remember from Rockets was "recklessness", which Lin has remedied by adding a lot of change-of-pace to his game. Saves energy, leverages his court vision and B-ball IQ. I heard the word "crafty" used to describe Lin on TV more than once last season. Sometimes a good pass or looking off the defense works about as well as a next-level Rondo handle or something.

Anyway, eventually Nets fans will see. He's a smoother-running, calmer player than the Knicks days, with more support from the coach than the Lakers and even Hornets days. If Lin's smart, he'll take a vow of relative DOTA2 asceticism, stop his usual solo Palo Alto training routine, and bug as many Nets as possible to congregate as much as possible so they can start figuring out how they all play and fit together before formal offseason workouts begin. That would be worth at least a win or two in the regular season if he and Brook can somehow make that happen.

[Paradise]

Nets will hold the press conference for Lin, Booker, LeVert next Wednesday at 1pm.

[DartboardT]

Yes, I did see the Snapchat video. I think the player/coach prior relationship will help facilitate communication between them, especially since there are a lot of other new players on the team. They're not starting from scratch learning how the other thinks.
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If you like your NBA players goofball, you'll love JLin. If not, you probably shouldn't follow him on Snapchat.

Brace yourselves in case that annual YouTube video hits.

[lleepar]

If you like your NBA players goofball, you'll love JLin. If not, you probably shouldn't follow him on Snapchat.

Brace yourselves in case that annual YouTube video hits.

Lin is very serious about basketball, but he doesn't take himself seriously at all off the court. He's about as down to earth and accessible as they come.

Those who haven't seen his YouTube channel can find it here.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheJlin7/videos
If you look at last summer's video ("How to Fit in the NBA") you'll see most of the jokes are on him.
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[bballfan1234]

I do have to say I've only seen Lin a few times, really only when he's played the Nets. And I'll never forget the start of Linsanity when he torched the Nets. I gotta say I'm excited for him and us this year and think he'll do very well with Lopez. I just wish we had a more complete and better team to put around him.

Lin is not the main guy on this Nets' team. Lopez is the main guy. Lin will do whatever it takes to get all players involved and played team ball! Nets may not be a playoff team this year but they will occasionally be a giant killer. Beating one of those top teams should be fun to watch!

[bballfan1234]

If you like your NBA players goofball, you'll love JLin. If not, you probably shouldn't follow him on Snapchat.

Brace yourselves in case that annual YouTube video hits.

Lin have said numerous time he is in his prime at age 28. He has been through lots of ups and down. He had very good experience with the Charlotte Hornets. No more taking a backseat to Harden or Kobe calling him soft like Charmin. All these experiences have made him mentally matured. He will be one of the bright spot on this year's Nets team. Go Nets go!!!!

[Ror1997]

Its interesting to me that D'antoni said Lin can be a superstar but only when the whole team plays a certain way. This is probably the first time a team will truly commit themselves to Lin like that since the Knicks did.

[bballfan1234]

Its interesting to me that D'antoni said Lin can be a superstar but only when the whole team plays a certain way. This is probably the first time a team will truly commit themselves to Lin like that since the Knicks did.

I doubt it Lin can be a superstar. During Linsanity, he was playing for his basketball career and with a reckless abandon. The new Lin in this coming Nets' team will be much more solid and confident. He still have lots to improve but as a Lin fan, i am very grateful the Nets have given him a chance to shine!!