Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

[yoshii8]

Half of me is hoping he doesn't leave (drafting John Hammond), the other half doesn't give a crap if he leaves (FA & trade Hammond). I feel like we have a strong analytics department, plus are somewhat on the right path, so I guess I'd be fine with him gone. If I knew who was in charge of making some of those horrid deals over the last 8 years, and who was in charge of drafting I might have a stronger opinion.

[MoreTrife]

For what it's worth, I've heard from few degrees separated familial connection that Hammond is going to Orlando as GM.


EDIT: Also heard additional details that really aren't new to us. But that Kidd is a psycho behind the scenes. Power hungry. Apparently tried to send Giannis home the last game of the season for playing poorly or something? Hopefully he doesn't dominate Zanik...

[Badgerlander]

This offseason is as strange as when the owners hired Kidd behind Hammonds back. They need to come out and say who the hell the GM is going to be going forward and let that person make a decision on Kidd, etc. Feels like a rudderless ship while back room deals are being made or something. I still think Troy Weaver would be an excellent hire at GM and Amanda Green as his assistant.

Off season isn't strange at all...Hammond and Kidd both under contract to be with the Milwaukee Bucks next season, we as an organization don't address wild innuendo or rumor.....there is your statement and quite frankly if you know even a little about business they really don't even have to say that much.

You are right they dont have to say anything at all, but the longer it goes the more awkward its going to get

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/awkward-hiring-of-jason-kidd-is-troubling-for-bucks-b99301521z1-265247881.html

Awkward hiring of Jason Kidd is troubling for Bucks

A prominent executive from another sport I spoke with was troubled by the Milwaukee Bucks' terribly awkward hiring of Jason Kidd.

He said such a move undermines trust and credibility, two things the new owners had going for them before they went behind the rest of the organization's back to hire Kidd as their head coach.

I guess an awkward firing makes sense

[Matches Malone]

For what it's worth, I've heard from few degrees separated familial connection that Hammond is going to Orlando as GM.


EDIT: Also heard additional details that really aren't new to us. But that Kidd is a psycho behind the scenes. Power hungry. Apparently tried to send Giannis home the last game of the season for playing poorly or something? Hopefully he doesn't dominate Zanik...

So who is making our draft selection? *Gulps*

Hearing about Kidd, how our owners hired him, this Hammond situation, Zanik... none of this makes me feel good. Just seems all messy.

[Rockmaninoff]

For what it's worth, I've heard from few degrees separated familial connection that Hammond is going to Orlando as GM.


EDIT: Also heard additional details that really aren't new to us. But that Kidd is a psycho behind the scenes. Power hungry. Apparently tried to send Giannis home the last game of the season for playing poorly or something? Hopefully he doesn't dominate Zanik...

So who is making our draft selection? *Gulps*

Hearing about Kidd, how our owners hired him, this Hammond situation, Zanik... none of this makes me feel good. Just seems all messy.

Jamie Dinan was at the combine this year, instead of at his hedge fund in crisis. Maybe it's his turn to play with the toy?

[JimmyTheKid]

For what it's worth, I've heard from few degrees separated familial connection that Hammond is going to Orlando as GM.


EDIT: Also heard additional details that really aren't new to us. But that Kidd is a psycho behind the scenes. Power hungry. Apparently tried to send Giannis home the last game of the season for playing poorly or something? Hopefully he doesn't dominate Zanik...

So who is making our draft selection? *Gulps*

Hearing about Kidd, how our owners hired him, this Hammond situation, Zanik... none of this makes me feel good. Just seems all messy.

If its a popular selection, credit Hammond and Zanik. If its an unpopular selection, blame Kidd. *wipes hands* Rinse, repeat.

For example, "Thon and Brogdon were ALL Hammond and Zanik." "Rashad Vaughn was ALL Kidd." See? Easy.

Back to the topic at hand. An organization basically has to have their mind made up that Hammond is the guy. Because he's not clinching the job with an interview. At least not one where he has to talk. His best bet to land that Orlando job was to walk into the office, sit down, cockily shrug, slide a folded piece of copy paper across the desk, and watch Devos open and read "Giannis at 15" in nice cursive handwriting.

[crkone]

For what it's worth, I've heard from few degrees separated familial connection that Hammond is going to Orlando as GM.


EDIT: Also heard additional details that really aren't new to us. But that Kidd is a psycho behind the scenes. Power hungry. Apparently tried to send Giannis home the last game of the season for playing poorly or something? Hopefully he doesn't dominate Zanik...

So who is making our draft selection? *Gulps*

Hearing about Kidd, how our owners hired him, this Hammond situation, Zanik... none of this makes me feel good. Just seems all messy.

If its a popular selection, credit Hammond and Zanik. If its an unpopular selection, blame Kidd. *wipes hands* Rinse, repeat.

For example, "Thon and Brogdon were ALL Hammond and Zanik." "Rashad Vaughn was ALL Kidd." See? Easy.

Back to the topic at hand. An organization basically has to have their mind made up that Hammond is the guy. Because he's not clinching the job with an interview. At least not one where he has to talk. His best bet to land that Orlando job was to walk into the office, sit down, cockily shrug, slide a folded piece of copy paper across the desk, and watch Devos open and read "Giannis at 15" in nice cursive handwriting.

No no no. If it was a bad selection it won't matter who made the pick. If it was a good pick, it was so obvious that player was going to be good that a monkey could have made it.

[JEIS]

If Hammond is let go... I can not see them doing it before the draft. Hammond has too much info on this years draft plan.

[Iheartfootball]

This whole situation makes me feel gross. I don't have confidence in this front office.

[Matches Malone]

This whole situation makes me feel gross. I don't have confidence in this front office.

[coolhandluke121]

EDIT: Also heard additional details that really aren't new to us. But that Kidd is a psycho behind the scenes. Power hungry. Apparently tried to send Giannis home the last game of the season for playing poorly or something? Hopefully he doesn't dominate Zanik...

That's hard to believe.

[MickeyDavis]

Giannis didn't play the last game of the season. The last regular season game he did play he had a triple double. Or is that referring to when Giannis didn't miss the free throw on purpose.

[paulpressey25]

This offseason is as strange as when the owners hired Kidd behind Hammonds back. They need to come out and say who the hell the GM is going to be going forward and let that person make a decision on Kidd, etc. Feels like a rudderless ship while back room deals are being made or something. I still think Troy Weaver would be an excellent hire at GM and Amanda Green as his assistant.

That fact we got confirmation yesterday that Hammond actually interviewed for the Orlando job tells me LED have their plan in place and it doesn't involve Hammond and maybe not Kidd.

We just need to hope that the plan is structurally sound and they get the right guy in as either GM or POBO with power to hire the coach versus some sort of "Dan Synder" thing like they did with Kidd three years ago.

[Wiscfan92]

As long as this isn't about Kidd moving to the FO, I'm okay with bringing someone new in if he'd like to leave. He's done some great things, but I feel he's struckout more than he's hit a homerun.

[MoreTrife]

Giannis didn't play the last game of the season. The last regular season game he did play he had a triple double. Or is that referring to when Giannis didn't miss the free throw on purpose.

Not sure. My source is two degrees removed from a Hammond family member so I squeezed him but the info had been watered down. But I believe the Hammond to Orlando is a done deal.

[M-C-G]

For what it's worth, I've heard from few degrees separated familial connection that Hammond is going to Orlando as GM.


EDIT: Also heard additional details that really aren't new to us. But that Kidd is a psycho behind the scenes. Power hungry. Apparently tried to send Giannis home the last game of the season for playing poorly or something? Hopefully he doesn't dominate Zanik...

So who is making our draft selection? *Gulps*

Hearing about Kidd, how our owners hired him, this Hammond situation, Zanik... none of this makes me feel good. Just seems all messy.

If its a popular selection, credit Hammond and Zanik. If its an unpopular selection, blame Kidd. *wipes hands* Rinse, repeat.

For example, "Thon and Brogdon were ALL Hammond and Zanik." "Rashad Vaughn was ALL Kidd." See? Easy.

Back to the topic at hand. An organization basically has to have their mind made up that Hammond is the guy. Because he's not clinching the job with an interview. At least not one where he has to talk. His best bet to land that Orlando job was to walk into the office, sit down, cockily shrug, slide a folded piece of copy paper across the desk, and watch Devos open and read "Giannis at 15" in nice cursive handwriting.

While I agree with the sentiment that if it is bad, it is Kidd's fault gets thrown around here a lot, but there is plenty of evidence supporting that Kidd came in and was making the personnel decisions in free agency, that Kidd vetoed the Portis selection for Vaughn, that Kidd wanted Vasquez and then Hammond fills out the paperwork.

And let's be real, the worst moves (MCW, Vasquez, trading of ZaZa and Dudley for nothing) have Kidd's fingerprints all over them. We can also draw a logical conclusion that the owners noticed just how bad these decisions were and all of a sudden Kidd is publishing a letter to fans talking about he is the coach and John is the GM. It seems logical to conclude the owners planned on getting rid of Hammond much earlier but Kidd's personnel moves were so bad they had to alter their plan (more than likely, I would guess Edens and Dinan had to convince Lasry that Kidd with all that power was not working).

[M-C-G]

As long as this isn't about Kidd moving to the FO, I'm okay with bringing someone new in if he'd like to leave. He's done some great things, but I feel he's struckout more than he's hit a homerun.

Yeah, the good news is that the owners hired Zanik, he is 'their" guy and I believe they fully recognize how bad Kidd's moves have been.

[coolhandluke121]

If its a popular selection, credit Hammond and Zanik. If its an unpopular selection, blame Kidd. *wipes hands* Rinse, repeat.

For example, "Thon and Brogdon were ALL Hammond and Zanik." "Rashad Vaughn was ALL Kidd." See? Easy.

While I agree with the sentiment that if it is bad, it is Kidd's fault gets thrown around here a lot, but there is plenty of evidence supporting that Kidd came in and was making the personnel decisions in free agency, that Kidd vetoed the Portis selection for Vaughn, that Kidd wanted Vasquez and then Hammond fills out the paperwork.

And let's be real, the worst moves (MCW, Vasquez, trading of ZaZa and Dudley for nothing) have Kidd's fingerprints all over them. We can also draw a logical conclusion that the owners noticed just how bad these decisions were and all of a sudden Kidd is publishing a letter to fans talking about he is the coach and John is the GM. It seems logical to conclude the owners planned on getting rid of Hammond much earlier but Kidd's personnel moves were so bad they had to alter their plan (more than likely, I would guess Edens and Dinan had to convince Lasry that Kidd with all that power was not working).

Don't forget that BuckPack confirmed a series of Kidd's horrible moves. Also, the idea that people have tried to absolve Hammond of all guilt is a strawman argument thrown at people who merely had the audacity to argue that Hammond isn't one of the worst gm's in the NBA. His draft record alone makes that a ridiculous take; the likelihood that others are at least partly to blame for some of the bad moves merely pushes him somewhere into the middle third. Where depends on how much he's responsible for some of the worst moves and how much it was Kohl and the cronies, Skiles, Kidd, and/or our new meddlers at the top.

You'd have to be an idiot to argue that Hammond isn't responsible for some terrible decisions (for example, keeping Plumlee was his decision according to BuckPack), but you'd have to be an even bigger idiot to not realize how much Kohl, Kidd, and Skiles have influenced (and sometimes been primarily responsible for) a variety of terrible decisions as well. We'll never know how many of those decisions Hammond was against and how many he supported, and your best guess on that determines whether you think Hammond is a little below average, a little above, or nearly right in the middle.

I have him a little above average. I also have a morbid fear that he's going to go to Orlando and pull a Stotts, further proving how the dysfunction of the Bucks' organization can hold down even some of the most talented basketball minds. The way we hear about how much people around the NBA respect him does kind of remind me about how people talked about Stotts when he was Karl's assistant, but this franchise ruined his first chance at coaching and he barely recovered.

[MickeyDavis]

Hammond's bad moves predate Kidd and predate LED. Yeah I know "Kohl meddled" yada yada yada. Hammond has been a mix of good and bad. And we can't absolve him of all the bad and give him credit for all of the good.

The bottom line is it's time for him to move on.

[coolhandluke121]

Hammond's bad moves predate Kidd and predate LED. Yeah I know "Kohl meddled" yada yada yada.

You just yada yada yada'd the most important part.