Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[dckingsfan]

I don't think trading Beal or Porter for Cousins would make us a more balanced team (offensively). I think those two do a good job of spreading the floor. I think we were rated 7th offensively? And 20th defensively.

Wouldn't a more balanced team come from a FC defensive stopper?

[dangermouse]

I'd do Otto for Cousins as long as he signs an extension here...

Back to the Milwaukee trade, I like it. I actually like both versions posted here, the Monroe trade and the Henson/Delly trade. I'd prefer the Monroe trade because I think he's the better player and could definitely be on the rise while Gortat is on the decline. Not sure how interested Milwaukee would be, has anyone thrown it up on trades & transactions?

[gambitx777]

I'd do Otto for Cousins as long as he signs an extension here...

Back to the Milwaukee trade, I like it. I actually like both versions posted here, the Monroe trade and the Henson/Delly trade. I'd prefer the Monroe trade because I think he's the better player and could definitely be on the rise while Gortat is on the decline. Not sure how interested Milwaukee would be, has anyone thrown it up on trades & transactions?

I'm just of the opinion that if it can't get us below the tax we should hold on to gortat till next summer when hes at the peak of his trade value, assuming he does not have a massive decline the current gortat ona one year expiring has trade value and if hes not forcing his way out keep him as the starter becuase continuity does mean something. but we can improve the bench thats why id be willing to pay to get that Henson, Delly trade done, not only do they improve the bench but they are value deals that a team should be working hard to acquire in trade or sign in fa. we would be loaded with guards, even with bigs and not to full up on sf we would probably need to cut frazier, or trade smith. Depends on what you thin is more needed, another wing? dump both, guard depth in case beal or wall go down, keep time and dump smith, vet leadership keep smith.

[Dark Faze]

From an asset standpoint it makes more sense to keep Smith as the primary backup at C. Cost wise he's the cheapest and he's a good rim protector for a bench center and also is a good stretch 5 option.

[Dark Faze]

Man...we made a terrible mistake paying Mahinmi so much. The center market is just flooded right now. You can't even find tanking teams in need of a vet center right now.

[gambitx777]

Man...we made a terrible mistake paying Mahinmi so much. The center market is just flooded right now. You can't even find tanking teams in need of a vet center right now.

The bucks could use one! Get it done EG!

[Error Afflalo]

Man...we made a terrible mistake paying Mahinmi so much. The center market is just flooded right now. You can't even find tanking teams in need of a vet center right now.

The bucks could use one! Get it done EG!

Does Mahinmi for Monroe make sense for both teams? Monroe is a massive downgrade defensively but his deal expires after next season.

[adarsh1]

Man...we made a terrible mistake paying Mahinmi so much. The center market is just flooded right now. You can't even find tanking teams in need of a vet center right now.

The bucks could use one! Get it done EG!

Does Mahinmi for Monroe make sense for both teams? Monroe is a massive downgrade defensively but his deal expires after next season.

It's not like we play defense anyway. Anyway to dump a contract is a good trade.

[Error Afflalo]

The bucks could use one! Get it done EG!

Does Mahinmi for Monroe make sense for both teams? Monroe is a massive downgrade defensively but his deal expires after next season.

It's not like we play defense anyway. Anyway to dump a contract is a good trade.

Fair point

[NatP4]

This is kind of interesting. But, would not the extra salary this year really bump up our luxury tax payment? We really would have to trade Monroe at the deadline.

Leaving aside the debate over Cousins, I would like to know how anyone thinks we can afford him. I can't see Ted taking up permanent residence on luxury tax lane, can you?

They said they would. if Gortat/Smith/Frazier/Ochefu/McCullough come off the books before or by next summer, that is 24 million in cap relief and Cousins would make around 30 million on his new deal. Surely that wouldn't prevent a front office from making that move, I would hope. Obviously it would have to be through trade not free agency to work. I also don't think its completely unrealistic to assume Boogie might leave 5-6 million on the table to come play with John Wall and compete for a championship.

Removing low-price players like Frazier/Ochefu/McCullough doesn't help. We need a full roster, & whoever replaced them would cost the same or more.

Yes, it is completely unrealistic to imagine Cousins (or anyone) in his prime years agreeing to make $5-6m less a year. Do you think that there'll be another way, over the years, for Cousins to make that kind of money? No. Did Beal/Porter/Wall leave money on the table to make it easier to acquire Cousins?

The idea that the Wizards would have Cousins at $30m to go along with Wall/Beal/Otto totaling @$94m together is incomprehensible, Nat. That's $124m for 4 players. We'd wind up with the highest payroll in the league -- & not for the best team in the league either.

Nor did Ted/Ernie say they would pay the luxury tax in perpetuum; there's no chance of that.

Where the hell are you getting these numbers?? We are talking about this season, not when Walls supermax kicks in. Wall Beal Porter cousins DO NOT make 124 million.

No one cares about Ted having to pay extra tax to fill out the roster with scrubs, it's about making room for Cousins. The idea of cousins taking a 25 million dollar contract to play with Wall Beal Porter and a championship is only unrealistic to you because you want your narratives to be right. They can EASILY make a little more cap room from there.

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They said they would. if Gortat/Smith/Frazier/Ochefu/McCullough come off the books before or by next summer, that is 24 million in cap relief and Cousins would make around 30 million on his new deal. Surely that wouldn't prevent a front office from making that move, I would hope. Obviously it would have to be through trade not free agency to work. I also don't think its completely unrealistic to assume Boogie might leave 5-6 million on the table to come play with John Wall and compete for a championship.

Removing low-price players like Frazier/Ochefu/McCullough doesn't help. We need a full roster, & whoever replaced them would cost the same or more.

Yes, it is completely unrealistic to imagine Cousins (or anyone) in his prime years agreeing to make $5-6m less a year. Do you think that there'll be another way, over the years, for Cousins to make that kind of money? No. Did Beal/Porter/Wall leave money on the table to make it easier to acquire Cousins?

The idea that the Wizards would have Cousins at $30m to go along with Wall/Beal/Otto totaling @$94m together is incomprehensible, Nat. That's $124m for 4 players. We'd wind up with the highest payroll in the league -- & not for the best team in the league either.

Nor did Ted/Ernie say they would pay the luxury tax in perpetuum; there's no chance of that.

Where the hell are you getting these numbers?? We are talking about this season, not when Walls supermax kicks in. Wall Beal Porter cousins DO NOT make 124 million.

No one cares about Ted having to pay extra tax to fill out the roster with scrubs, it's about making room for Cousins. The idea of cousins taking a 25 million dollar contract to play with Wall Beal Porter and a championship is only unrealistic to you because you want your narratives to be right. They can EASILY make a little more cap room from there.

You only want Cousins for this season? What happens in 2 years doesn't matter? You know any other teams w/ 4 max players? Or 3, & another player at near max? You are guaranteeing a championship?

Tell me about some of these "easy" ways to make cap room, please. You've already suggested doing it by cutting players -- which doesn't work since for every cheap guy you cut you need to bring another guy back in order to have an actual NBA roster.

Btw, do you know how much the lux tax costs? Or how much *more* it costs for every extra increment over the limit you are? Or what happens when you're a repeater? I'd guess not.

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I'd do Otto for Cousins as long as he signs an extension here...

You wouldn't mind that it made us a worse team? Do it anyway?

Because it sure would.

[Sluggerface]

I don't think trading Beal or Porter for Cousins would make us a more balanced team (offensively). I think those two do a good job of spreading the floor. I think we were rated 7th offensively? And 20th defensively.

Wouldn't a more balanced team come from a FC defensive stopper?

I think it's kind of hard to sustain what we did last year. True we were the 7th best offense in the league, but that was mostly due to our FG percentage. Outside of John and Brad, we struggled to get to the line, and our 3PA was below norm. Getting a player like Boogie (who can generate a lot of fouls quickly as well as space the floor) makes our offense more sustainable in a playoff scenario imo.

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Here's a trade I'd like to make -- I'd like to trade Markieff Morris for a lottery pick in next year's draft.

Anyone think there's an NBA team would make that trade? No?

Right you are.

[gambitx777]

Man...we made a terrible mistake paying Mahinmi so much. The center market is just flooded right now. You can't even find tanking teams in need of a vet center right now.

The bucks could use one! Get it done EG!

Does Mahinmi for Monroe make sense for both teams? Monroe is a massive downgrade defensively but his deal expires after next season.

Monroe is not the one to go after, Like I said before mahinmi and smith (2018 second or 2019 first and aaron white) for henson and delly is the smart trade, we need to upgrade our bench, this does that, at both spots. We could also d them a slid and send them tim frazier, he can't be traded as part of another trade but they have a 5 mill trade exception and we would get a 2 mill tpe back for him. save us a little tax money, helps our bench, and they get rid of guys they have fallen out with and get a good bench compliment for monroe.

[Dark Faze]

Don't have much hope in getting Cousins. Basically he'd have to want to want out by the trade deadline and I don't see that happening with playing alongside a talent like Anthony Davis. They are two of the biggest names at UK and are already working out together. If he leaves it will be in the summer and we won't be in play for him at that point due to the cap.

The most attainable all-star level talents for us at this point are probably LMA and Marc Gasol via trade, and if the Cavs blow it up then Kevin Love as well.

[pcbothwel]

The bucks could use one! Get it done EG!

Does Mahinmi for Monroe make sense for both teams? Monroe is a massive downgrade defensively but his deal expires after next season.

Monroe is not the one to go after, Like I said before mahinmi and smith (2018 second or 2019 first and aaron white) for henson and delly is the smart trade, we need to upgrade our bench, this does that, at both spots. We could also d them a slid and send them tim frazier, he can't be traded as part of another trade but they have a 5 mill trade exception and we would get a 2 mill tpe back for him. save us a little tax money, helps our bench, and they get rid of guys they have fallen out with and get a good bench compliment for monroe.

So trading the best 2 players in the trade makes us better?


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[gambitx777]

Does Mahinmi for Monroe make sense for both teams? Monroe is a massive downgrade defensively but his deal expires after next season.

Monroe is not the one to go after, Like I said before mahinmi and smith (2018 second or 2019 first and aaron white) for henson and delly is the smart trade, we need to upgrade our bench, this does that, at both spots. We could also d them a slid and send them tim frazier, he can't be traded as part of another trade but they have a 5 mill trade exception and we would get a 2 mill tpe back for him. save us a little tax money, helps our bench, and they get rid of guys they have fallen out with and get a good bench compliment for monroe.

So trading the best 2 players in the trade makes us better?


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See you're looking at it from a black and white perspective.
its not black and white. Delly fits so well on this bench, he can play with john, brad, or tomas. he can defend and shoot.
Henson is healthy, he defends well blocks shows and hes athletic and he's solid.
They are both 26 years old and both of those guys are on super team friendly deals. is Mahinmis deal team friendly? no. its not, Smith and tim are decent but and on ok deals, but smith is 30, and not as good as a defender as henson is not is he as athletic. Tim is on a one year deal and while he is a decent back up point guard and maybe even just as good as delly he does not fit here as well.
its about another mans trash being another mans treasure. is tim going to be on this team next year? if he plays really well hes going to out price us, if he doesn't we will be looking o upgrade our back up pg again. jason smith, he might be here next year but hes gona be 32. this may well be his last contract. and you can't for a second tell me that you would rather have mahinmi over delly and henson. hensons contract decreases and delly has no raises. having two younger players who might even get better here still with john and scotts brooks. Thats a much better situation for us.
the bucks, Henson has had a falling out with them obviously, and delly they don;t seem to enamored with either. make a swap. You don't always need to get the best player in a trade to win it. its about fit and what you need. This trade makes us better gets us out of another year of mahinmi on the injury list before it happens, and opens up a roster spot if we feel the need to fill it.

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... Like I said before mahinmi and smith (2018 second or 2019 first and aaron white) for henson and delly is the smart trade...

So trading the best 2 players in the trade makes us better?

It makes us especially better, b/c gambit also wants to include our 2019 R1 pick.

Dellavedova is a terrible player. Henson is nothing special. We need to keep our picks. This is an awful trade idea.

[pcbothwel]

Monroe is not the one to go after, Like I said before mahinmi and smith (2018 second or 2019 first and aaron white) for henson and delly is the smart trade, we need to upgrade our bench, this does that, at both spots. We could also d them a slid and send them tim frazier, he can't be traded as part of another trade but they have a 5 mill trade exception and we would get a 2 mill tpe back for him. save us a little tax money, helps our bench, and they get rid of guys they have fallen out with and get a good bench compliment for monroe.

So trading the best 2 players in the trade makes us better?


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See you're looking at it from a black and white perspective.
its not black and white. Delly fits so well on this bench, he can play with john, brad, or tomas. he can defend and shoot.
Henson is healthy, he defends well blocks shows and hes athletic and he's solid.
They are both 26 years old and both of those guys are on super team friendly deals. is Mahinmis deal team friendly? no. its not, Smith and tim are decent but and on ok deals, but smith is 30, and not as good as a defender as henson is not is he as athletic. Tim is on a one year deal and while he is a decent back up point guard and maybe even just as good as delly he does not fit here as well.
its about another mans trash being another mans treasure. is tim going to be on this team next year? if he plays really well hes going to out price us, if he doesn't we will be looking o upgrade our back up pg again. jason smith, he might be here next year but hes gona be 32. this may well be his last contract. and you can't for a second tell me that you would rather have mahinmi over delly and henson. hensons contract decreases and delly has no raises. having two younger players who might even get better here still with john and scotts brooks. Thats a much better situation for us.
the bucks, Henson has had a falling out with them obviously, and delly they don;t seem to enamored with either. make a swap. You don't always need to get the best player in a trade to win it. its about fit and what you need. This trade makes us better gets us out of another year of mahinmi on the injury list before it happens, and opens up a roster spot if we feel the need to fill it.

I dont know where to start. Delly was a great story 2 years ago, but he played 2000 minutes last year in which he was TERRIBLE. Henson has always been terrible. He cant defend the the perimeter. He gets a couple blocks, but who cares. He has no post moves and cant shoot outside 5 ft.
His advanced stats dont look terrible, but RPM hates him. When that happens that usually means that a player doesnt do the little things to mkae him a plus, but dont get captured in stats like TS, ORtg/DRtg, etc. Things like setting good picks, communicating/switching on defense, etc. No thank you