Kyrie asked to be traded (UPDATED)

[Stillwater]

They should get a really good young player, and they will. You have to give ass to get ass as the old saying goes.

Teams are motivated for the right price, which is totally subjective. The Butler, Cousins, and George trades (although different) will weigh heavy in discussions.

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

I would have traded Bledsoe and the number four for Irving no doubt, but once number four became an actually player and attachedment occurred that changes things, also I, as I believe the Suns FO wanted JJ for a long time and didn't think he would "fall" but thanks to the Celts, he did and I am sold, and from the sounds of things or FO is too. That doesn't mean Kyrie isn't worth it, it just means we have our preference, and as ridiculous or idiotic as some may believe we just don't want (I hope it's true) to give him up.

I completely understand the Suns refusing Jackson right now,they were pretty high on him, higher than other teams besides SAC.Waiting to see if the Cav's don't find better offers and come back to them saying yeah we will take Bledsoe and Chriss and a future instead of Jackson, but I don't believe the Cav's won't get slightly better offers than the latter, in fact I think they already have significant offers that would require the Suns to part with Jackson if they want Irving.
Either way there is a possibility the Cav's can get Bledsoe in a multi team deal and the Suns won't lose Jackson ,but they won't get Irving either.

[JMac1]

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

I would have traded Bledsoe and the number four for Irving no doubt, but once number four became an actually player and attachedment occurred that changes things, also I, as I believe the Suns FO wanted JJ for a long time and didn't think he would "fall" but thanks to the Celts, he did and I am sold, and from the sounds of things or FO is too. That doesn't mean Kyrie isn't worth it, it just means we have our preference, and as ridiculous or idiotic as some may believe we just don't want (I hope it's true) to give him up.

I completely understand the Suns refusing Jackson right now,they were pretty high on him, higher than other teams besides SAC.Waiting to see if the Cav's don't find better offers and come back to them saying yeah we will take Bledsoe and Chriss and a future instead of Jackson, but I don't believe the Cav's won't get slightly better offers than the latter, in fact I think they already have significant offers that would require the Suns to part with Jackson if they want Irving.
Either way there is a possibility the Cav's can get Bledsoe in a multi team deal and the Suns won't lose Jackson ,but they won't get Irving either.

I'm definitely okay with a three team with Bledsoe going to the Cavs and Kyrie going elsewhere.

[Chello1]

If the wolves are dumb enough to offer Wiggins and Dieng you really have a great offer. Take Wiggins and run! He gives the chance at a real superstar; period. No one else can offer a player with the upside of this young man!!!!! Dieng is a very good player and will net you a positive if you want to trade him for other pieces.

I'd even be willing to ship Dieng to a third team for two pieces and let the Wolves get a backup wing.

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

I completely agree with you on the B.S. part. Kyrie is a better player than Teague we know but not so much better you give up Wiggins for that improvement....... Crazy talk. The idea of those two playing together is comical--- no defense would be played ever with that back court.

[jbk1234]

I'd even be willing to ship Dieng to a third team for two pieces and let the Wolves get a backup wing.

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

I completely agree with you on the B.S. part. Kyrie is a better player than Teague we know but not so much better you give up Wiggins for that improvement....... Crazy talk. The idea of those two playing together is comical--- no defense would be played ever with that back court.

How would that be different than a Teague/Wiggins backcourt?

[Stillwater]

I'd even be willing to ship Dieng to a third team for two pieces and let the Wolves get a backup wing.

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

I completely agree with you on the B.S. part. Kyrie is a better player than Teague we know but not so much better you give up Wiggins for that improvement....... Crazy talk. The idea of those two playing together is comical--- no defense would be played ever with that back court.

That is the only thing that makes this trade unlikely , that the wolves would probably have to move Teague before the deadline. It is not that Wiggins is so much better than Irving for your franchise. Wiggins & Butler will cancel each other out a lot more than Irving and Butler would. We'll even give you Osman to reload your wing depth .Wolves fans should remember what they got for KLove trade and realize there is no way that Wiggins isn't available if Irving is provided the Wolves are confident in moving Teague,or content with letting him back up Irving.Irving is worth more now than Love was when you traded him to us for 2 recent #1 picks a tpe and Thad Young.

[jbk1234]

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

I completely agree with you on the B.S. part. Kyrie is a better player than Teague we know but not so much better you give up Wiggins for that improvement....... Crazy talk. The idea of those two playing together is comical--- no defense would be played ever with that back court.

That is the only thing that makes this trade unlikely , that the wolves would probably have to move Teague before the deadline. It is not that Wiggins is so much better than Irving for your franchise. Wiggins & Butler will cancel each other out a lot more than Irving and Butler would. We'll even give you Osman to reload your wing depth .Wolves fans should remember what they got for KLove trade and realize there is no way that Wiggins isn't available if Irving is provided the Wolves are confident in moving Teague,or content with letting him back up Irving.Irving is worth more now than Love was when you traded him to us for 2 recent #1 picks a tpe and Thad Young.

There's no point in arguing with these guys. None of them are saying they don't want Kryie, they just want him for a fire sale price. In reality, every single bidder would have to collude to low ball the Cavs and the Cavs would have to agree to trade him for that return. But there's a reason OPEC has a really hard time rigging oil prices. All it takes is one team to say screw this we really want him, make the offer.

[Stillwater]

I completely agree with you on the B.S. part. Kyrie is a better player than Teague we know but not so much better you give up Wiggins for that improvement....... Crazy talk. The idea of those two playing together is comical--- no defense would be played ever with that back court.

That is the only thing that makes this trade unlikely , that the wolves would probably have to move Teague before the deadline. It is not that Wiggins is so much better than Irving for your franchise. Wiggins & Butler will cancel each other out a lot more than Irving and Butler would. We'll even give you Osman to reload your wing depth .Wolves fans should remember what they got for KLove trade and realize there is no way that Wiggins isn't available if Irving is provided the Wolves are confident in moving Teague,or content with letting him back up Irving.Irving is worth more now than Love was when you traded him to us for 2 recent #1 picks a tpe and Thad Young.

There's no point in arguing with these guys. None of them are saying they don't want Kryie, they just want him for a fire sale price. In reality, every single bidder would have to collude to low ball the Cavs and the Cavs would have to agree to trade him for that return. But there's a reason OPEC has a really hard time rigging oil prices. All it takes is one team to say screw this we really want him, make the offer.

that's true, but they just can't see the value at all believing they can get him for peanuts That team would thrive with Irving on it.

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[chris4celts]

Celtics fan here. How about this?

Celtics get Kyrie, right to swap 1sts with Cavs in 2020
Cavs get IT, Crowder, choice of Yabusele/Rozier, 2018 Nets pick, 2018 Celtics pick (1st)

[jbk1234]

Celtics fan here. How about this?

Celtics get Kyrie, right to swap 1sts with Cavs in 2020
Cavs get IT, Crowder, choice of Yabusele/Rozier, 2018 Nets pick, 2018 Celtics pick (1st)

I can't imagine a scenario where we'd trade Kyrie to the Celtics while LBJ was still on the team. But, I don't see the Cavs adding any type of draft consideration to any trade.

[phrazbit]

I find the notion that all these teams that are highly motivated to get Kyrie, but yet are all going to low ball the Cavs, to be contradictory. Add in the fact that both the Wolves & the Nuggets have guys in the last years of their rookie deals, and I suspect the Cavs net at least one really good young player out of the deal.

They should get a really good young player, and they will. You have to give ass to get ass as the old saying goes.

Teams are motivated for the right price, which is totally subjective. The Butler, Cousins, and George trades (although different) will weigh heavy in discussions.

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

Why? That was before the draft, the situation is totally different now. Not only were the Suns unaware that Jackson would slip to them but Kyrie wasn't officially on the market. It is a helluva lot harder to purchase something that isn't for sale than it is to buy something that needs to be sold.

I don't want Kyrie, I'd rather facilitate a larger deal (really wish the Knicks had Dennis Smith...) but with how publicly ugly the situation is, any previous notion of his market value went out the window. There are enough interested parties that the Cavs certainly don't have to move him for crap but these situations never seem to get the return the departing "stars" team would have hoped.

[Stillwater]

They should get a really good young player, and they will. You have to give ass to get ass as the old saying goes.

Teams are motivated for the right price, which is totally subjective. The Butler, Cousins, and George trades (although different) will weigh heavy in discussions.

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

Why? That was before the draft, the situation is totally different now. Not only were the Suns unaware that Jackson would slip to them but Kyrie wasn't officially on the market. It is a helluva lot harder to purchase something that isn't for sale than it is to buy something that needs to be sold.

I don't want Kyrie, I'd rather facilitate a larger deal (really wish the Knicks had Dennis Smith...) but with how publicly ugly the situation is, any previous notion of his market value went out the window. There are enough interested parties that the Cavs certainly don't have to move him for crap but these situations never seem to get the return the departing "stars" team would have hoped.

What makes you think the Cavs didn't offer Irving for Bledsoe and the 4th ? It has been leaked on several outlets.
What makes you think the Cavs would have taken Jackson at 4? they could have just as easily used that for a future traded down and got a player they still wanted as low as 9. They also could have just as easily justified taking Smith,Monk,Fox or someone else there. It would be just like the Cavs to pick Dennis Smith jr. at 4 after trading for Bledsoe. bring in a solid veteran defensive minded guard that knows Lebron for another championship run with a stud blue chip guard to replace Irving for the long haul.
People are overvaluing unproven recently drafted players as if they are going to be impactful in a finals game as a rookie.
Irving is a multi time allstar with clutch performances in the toughest environments when given the full green light to be himself.
Other teams can try to minimize the man's impact due to Lebrons presence and how Irving doesn't make his team better, but when it comes down to it,Irvings teamates are not the type of players that would make him capable of maximizing his game as they do Lebrons. When he "takes over a game" there are few in the league that can be considered as clutch of a closer as KI.
Devaluing by other orgs due to crap returns on recent deals for franchise players on a different teams who never sniffed the finals and also could not make their team better, does not justify their hope for a similar steal.
Irving will get the Cavs a mother load of return or he will be in the finals again next to Lebron James. Some team out there will definitely recognize he is not getting cut loose for nothing like Butler and PG13 were. I believe that 2 orgs are willing to pay what is owed to get him as the bidding war increases in the coming months but they are not going to do that until they know they have too.

[jbk1234]

They should get a really good young player, and they will. You have to give ass to get ass as the old saying goes.

Teams are motivated for the right price, which is totally subjective. The Butler, Cousins, and George trades (although different) will weigh heavy in discussions.

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

Why? That was before the draft, the situation is totally different now. Not only were the Suns unaware that Jackson would slip to them but Kyrie wasn't officially on the market. It is a helluva lot harder to purchase something that isn't for sale than it is to buy something that needs to be sold.

I don't want Kyrie, I'd rather facilitate a larger deal (really wish the Knicks had Dennis Smith...) but with how publicly ugly the situation is, any previous notion of his market value went out the window. There are enough interested parties that the Cavs certainly don't have to move him for crap but these situations never seem to get the return the departing "stars" team would have hoped.

Because the Pacers owner shot down trades where the Pacers would've gotten more in return because of who PG was going to end up with.

[Dupp]

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

Why? That was before the draft, the situation is totally different now. Not only were the Suns unaware that Jackson would slip to them but Kyrie wasn't officially on the market. It is a helluva lot harder to purchase something that isn't for sale than it is to buy something that needs to be sold.

I don't want Kyrie, I'd rather facilitate a larger deal (really wish the Knicks had Dennis Smith...) but with how publicly ugly the situation is, any previous notion of his market value went out the window. There are enough interested parties that the Cavs certainly don't have to move him for crap but these situations never seem to get the return the departing "stars" team would have hoped.

Because the Pacers owner shot down trades where the Pacers would've gotten more in return because of who PG was going to end up with.

Recent stuff now saying pick protections were the Major hurdle apparently

[jbk1234]

Why? That was before the draft, the situation is totally different now. Not only were the Suns unaware that Jackson would slip to them but Kyrie wasn't officially on the market. It is a helluva lot harder to purchase something that isn't for sale than it is to buy something that needs to be sold.

I don't want Kyrie, I'd rather facilitate a larger deal (really wish the Knicks had Dennis Smith...) but with how publicly ugly the situation is, any previous notion of his market value went out the window. There are enough interested parties that the Cavs certainly don't have to move him for crap but these situations never seem to get the return the departing "stars" team would have hoped.

Because the Pacers owner shot down trades where the Pacers would've gotten more in return because of who PG was going to end up with.

Recent stuff now saying pick protections were the Major hurdle apparently

I'd buy that if they got a better deal independent of the pick protections. They didn't. They backed out of other deals, pre-draft, and talked to Portland about late firsts.

[jbk1234]

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I've been biting my tongue so hard during all of this that I'm going to need a transplant by the time Kyrie's actually traded.

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