Knicks-Heat PG Thread

[JBreezeNY]

How long is the Melo trolling going to go on?

Nobody wants to be in every thread discussing Melo. A select few posters are hijacking threads with garbage posts about a volume scorer who never won anything in his career. It has gone beyond a nuisance.

Aren’t you a PBP? Sit down somewhere.

[MP4LIFE]

How long is the Melo trolling going to go on?

Nobody wants to be in every thread discussing Melo. A select few posters are hijacking threads with garbage posts about a volume scorer who never won anything in his career. It has gone beyond a nuisance.

Aren’t you a PBP? Sit down somewhere.

What does that have to do with Melo trolling?

You sit down. Melo isn't on the team anymore. Go discuss him somewhere else.

[Capn'O]

Kidd gave up when he figured he had that coaching gig. He can kick rocks forever.

[ibraheim718]

If KP truly cannot create his own shot then the team may need to go in another direction sooner rather than later. In this NBA, your teams best players aren't spoon fed. Role players and secondary options yes, but not your primary guy.

True, the pg should be giving him better scoring chances and in the start of the season that was happening and there's really no debate against it. Of course Jack shouldn't be playing this much at this point, his age and bad defense has caught up.

Which is why I’ve always laughed at the team vs player arguments over the years on this board.

If you’ve ever played ball whether it’s the Park, organized basketball, high basketball, college basketball (I’ve done all 4), you’d know there is only so much the team aspect of basketball will carry you. It’s amazing to have players that flow within the offense & hits open shots, but you still need that “dog” in you that decides what a main scorer is and what a complimentary scorer is.

Creating a shot is not KP’s strength.....at all.

He can go in the post and hit a fade or a hook, he can awkwardly dribble & awkwardly put up a shot that goes in but giving him the ball telling him to make a decision whether it’s creating a shot or setting up shots for others is not his strength.

And to be honest we don’t have 5 years to figure it out, we’re on a timetable & we have to decide if he’s the 1st option or the 2nd option. We made that mistake twice already with Amare & Melo, which is why once again this season is infuriating me to no end because this is the last season before the draft reform & the perfect rebuilding year to be terrible out the gate.

But I digress, KP so far doesn’t have the attitude where he can say I don’t need to be spoon fed I got this. And there is nothing wrong with that, he just can’t be our franchise player if that’s the case. It’s not fair of the position he’s in because of the surrounding players he has but life isn’t fair.

This

11 ppg and 4.6 rpg 1 block in 50 games in Europe in 2014-2015.

Has he not made some serious strides playing in the best basketball league in the world?

I would say astoundingly yes. You people have just held him to this measuring stick of "franchise player". So what if he doesn't become that? He's still a hell of a player and a hell of a pick.

[dakomish23]

He's a nice bench piece.

if a bench piece is your key starter then there is something even more wrong with this team.

But we're not a good team.

We are slowly becoming what I felt was the worst case scenario for this year: 1st two Mike D years. Vets getting a heavy percentage of the PT & shots. Winning meaningless games because of the vets who won’t be here for when we make our push. Not good enough to make the postseason but not bad enough to get a high enough pick to get a franchise cornerstone.

I hope I’m wrong but that is what’s it’s starting to resemble

[JBreezeNY]

How long is the Melo trolling going to go on?

Nobody wants to be in every thread discussing Melo. A select few posters are hijacking threads with garbage posts about a volume scorer who never won anything in his career. It has gone beyond a nuisance.

Aren’t you a PBP? Sit down somewhere.

What does that have to do with Melo trolling?

You sit down. Melo isn't on the team anymore. Go discuss him somewhere else.

It has to do with everything, you were banned already, technically you’re not supposed to even be back on the board.

And who is trolling about Melo?

Capn (a mod) brought him up, and I brought him up along with Amare in context of the discussion of KP & not making a mistake.

So quit crying and understand the conversation that’s going on.

[Capn'O]

I hate to say it but posters are doing the same **** with him.

You see all of Melo's wide open looks last night or light coverage?

Spoiler:

they go in

Hey Cap

yeah, greenie did predict this.....often

She built the bridge and then predicted people would cross it.

[OpiumDose]

Since when has Jarrett Jack gotten the green light to chuck up his inefficient shots? Up until the last five games he averaged 6.5 shots per game which is reasonable, but in the last 5 games he has chucked up 11.4 shots per game - what's with that? He is not a good shooter and often takes dumb shots. I don't want to see him shooting the ball. 4 FGA for Jack in the OT, 0 for KP - that pretty much says it all about this team right now.

[ibraheim718]

if a bench piece is your key starter then there is something even more wrong with this team.

But we're not a good team.

We are slowly becoming what I felt was the worst case scenario for this year: 1st two Mike D years. Vets getting a heavy percentage of the PT & shots. Winning meaningless games because of the vets who won’t be here for when we make our push. Not good enough to make the postseason but not bad enough to get a high enough pick to get a franchise cornerstone.

I hope I’m wrong but that is what’s it’s starting to resemble

It's exactly like that.

[dakomish23]

KP def deserves some blame...his energy level is much lower than the start of the year.

But if you don't think playing alongside jack is hurting him people are nuts. Jack gets KP ZERO and i mean ZERO open looks. Frank finds KP a lot in the very small amount of time they play together....that on Jeff

KP is 7'3 he's not a guard or a wing that can create his own shot. So having a guard that can get him looks is vital. The fact we are forcing jack down his throat is beyond belief.

If KP truly cannot create his own shot then the team may need to go in another direction sooner rather than later. In this NBA, your teams best players aren't spoon fed. Role players and secondary options yes, but not your primary guy.

True, the pg should be giving him better scoring chances and in the start of the season that was happening and there's really no debate against it. Of course Jack shouldn't be playing this much at this point, his age and bad defense has caught up.

Which is why I’ve always laughed at the team vs player arguments over the years on this board.

If you’ve ever played ball whether it’s the Park, organized basketball, high school basketball, college basketball (I’ve done all 4), you’d know there is only so much the team aspect of basketball will carry you. It’s amazing to have players that flow within the offense & hits open shots, but you still need that “dog” in you that decides what a main scorer is and what a complimentary scorer is.

Creating a shot is not KP’s strength.....at all.

He can go in the post and hit a fade or a hook, he can awkwardly dribble & awkwardly put up a shot that goes in but giving him the ball telling him to make a decision whether it’s creating a shot or setting up shots for others is not his strength.

And to be honest we don’t have 5 years to figure it out, we’re on a timetable & we have to decide if he’s the 1st option or the 2nd option. We made that mistake twice already with Amare & Melo, which is why once again this season is infuriating me to no end because this is the last season before the draft reform & the perfect rebuilding year to be terrible out the gate.

But I digress, KP so far doesn’t have the attitude where he can say I don’t need to be spoon fed I got this. And there is nothing wrong with that, he just can’t be our franchise player if that’s the case. It’s not fair of the position he’s in because of the surrounding players he has but life isn’t fair.

I’d like to see how he reacts when he gets extended run with the kids. I feel like their energy would lift him up and we’d see more of what we saw earlier.

[JBreezeNY]

Which is why I’ve always laughed at the team vs player arguments over the years on this board.

If you’ve ever played ball whether it’s the Park, organized basketball, high basketball, college basketball (I’ve done all 4), you’d know there is only so much the team aspect of basketball will carry you. It’s amazing to have players that flow within the offense & hits open shots, but you still need that “dog” in you that decides what a main scorer is and what a complimentary scorer is.

Creating a shot is not KP’s strength.....at all.

He can go in the post and hit a fade or a hook, he can awkwardly dribble & awkwardly put up a shot that goes in but giving him the ball telling him to make a decision whether it’s creating a shot or setting up shots for others is not his strength.

And to be honest we don’t have 5 years to figure it out, we’re on a timetable & we have to decide if he’s the 1st option or the 2nd option. We made that mistake twice already with Amare & Melo, which is why once again this season is infuriating me to no end because this is the last season before the draft reform & the perfect rebuilding year to be terrible out the gate.

But I digress, KP so far doesn’t have the attitude where he can say I don’t need to be spoon fed I got this. And there is nothing wrong with that, he just can’t be our franchise player if that’s the case. It’s not fair of the position he’s in because of the surrounding players he has but life isn’t fair.

This

11 ppg and 4.6 rpg 1 block in 50 games in Europe in 2014-2015.

Has he not made some serious strides playing in the best basketball league in the world?

I would say astoundingly yes. You people have just held him to this measuring stick of "franchise player". So what if he doesn't become that? He's still a hell of a player and a hell of a pick.

Sooooo you’re agreeing with us then?

[islanders11040]

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[ibraheim718]

So he's not an alpha.. he's not a franchise player.. he's not a great 1 on 1 player.. so what do we do about it? As fans we're bummed and tear him down and what does the team do trade him?

[JBreezeNY]

If KP truly cannot create his own shot then the team may need to go in another direction sooner rather than later. In this NBA, your teams best players aren't spoon fed. Role players and secondary options yes, but not your primary guy.

True, the pg should be giving him better scoring chances and in the start of the season that was happening and there's really no debate against it. Of course Jack shouldn't be playing this much at this point, his age and bad defense has caught up.

Which is why I’ve always laughed at the team vs player arguments over the years on this board.

If you’ve ever played ball whether it’s the Park, organized basketball, high school basketball, college basketball (I’ve done all 4), you’d know there is only so much the team aspect of basketball will carry you. It’s amazing to have players that flow within the offense & hits open shots, but you still need that “dog” in you that decides what a main scorer is and what a complimentary scorer is.

Creating a shot is not KP’s strength.....at all.

He can go in the post and hit a fade or a hook, he can awkwardly dribble & awkwardly put up a shot that goes in but giving him the ball telling him to make a decision whether it’s creating a shot or setting up shots for others is not his strength.

And to be honest we don’t have 5 years to figure it out, we’re on a timetable & we have to decide if he’s the 1st option or the 2nd option. We made that mistake twice already with Amare & Melo, which is why once again this season is infuriating me to no end because this is the last season before the draft reform & the perfect rebuilding year to be terrible out the gate.

But I digress, KP so far doesn’t have the attitude where he can say I don’t need to be spoon fed I got this. And there is nothing wrong with that, he just can’t be our franchise player if that’s the case. It’s not fair of the position he’s in because of the surrounding players he has but life isn’t fair.

I’d like to see how he reacts when he gets extended run with the kids. I feel like their energy would lift him up and we’d see more of what we saw earlier.

100% agree.

We might need to wait until Jeff is fired for that so probably next season.

[Capn'O]

He was brought up in the context of what is currently happening with KP. Melo really isn't the point here.

[dakomish23]

Since when has Jarrett Jack gotten the green light to chuck up his inefficient shots? Up until the last five games he averaged 6.5 shots per game which is reasonable, but in the last 5 games he has chucked up 11.4 shots per game - what's with that? He is not a good shooter and often takes dumb shots. I don't want to see him shooting the ball. 4 FGA for Jack in the OT, 0 for KP - that pretty much says it all about this team right now.

Wow. That’s 11x more than he should be taking

[ibraheim718]

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Exactly.. step back for a second. As Knick fans we should be thrilled. One player doesn't win you a championship.

[ibraheim718]

This

11 ppg and 4.6 rpg 1 block in 50 games in Europe in 2014-2015.

Has he not made some serious strides playing in the best basketball league in the world?

I would say astoundingly yes. You people have just held him to this measuring stick of "franchise player". So what if he doesn't become that? He's still a hell of a player and a hell of a pick.

Sooooo you’re agreeing with us then?

Agreeing with you??? I said last year he doesn't look like an alpha. But who cares??? He's fuqing awesome.

[Capn'O]

KP is a dominant defensive force and an elite finisher. He'll have some moves in his prime but I don't think he's a guy where you give him the ball and something happens. Physique and skillset more than anything. Hardaway is that a bit and they'll need another guy. Frank might have it too. I wouldn't count him out. He has the frame to do just about anything but with him I do think mindset is an issue. With these pieces it will have to be a committee.

[JBreezeNY]

11 ppg and 4.6 rpg 1 block in 50 games in Europe in 2014-2015.

Has he not made some serious strides playing in the best basketball league in the world?

I would say astoundingly yes. You people have just held him to this measuring stick of "franchise player". So what if he doesn't become that? He's still a hell of a player and a hell of a pick.

Sooooo you’re agreeing with us then?

Agreeing with you??? I said last year he doesn't look like an alpha. But who cares??? He's fuqing awesome.

Ok