SOUL wrote:EasternMagic wrote:My contrarian view of the night: I really don't have a problem letting Vogel ride out his contract. He's balancing minutes right now (mostly out of necessity). He's complimenting effort. And really, there's not a whole lot more he can do with this roster. I really don't think that throwing David FIzdale at this roster would improve much.
Go on a fire away, I know that's not a popular opinion here.
But if he's riding out his contract that means whatever young player we draft this year and the one after this will get 1 or 2 years with Vogel and then have to learn from an entirely different coach.. and the cycle continues with sketchy player development.
What we need is a coach 100% in on player development if that's the route we want to take. It means letting players play through mistakes but holding them accountable (not punishing them with 10 mins a game, but benching them for a little and telling them what they're doing wrong), putting lineups in that are geared toward the future, and running an offense and defense that benefits the personnel that we have. Not rocket science.
I hear you, and I don't necessarily wholeheartedly disagree with you. But what head coach do you know of is solely focused on player development? Isn't that the reason we brought in Forcier? I know players have voiced their favor for Fiz, but I don't think that always translates to good youth development (obviously the issues in Memphis were with the vets) I'm also not convinced that Vogel is strictly a bad coach when it comes to player development. With the number of injuries we've suffered from this year, it's hard to really judge that imo. With the exception of Mario. I know that Mario and Wes and Birch are getting run due to injuries, but I think Vogel has done what he could in regards to incorporating them.
I won't fall on the Vogel sword, but I also won't continue to champion a new coach ever two years. Your argument is that if we kept him then fired him in two years then the youth would have to get used to another coach, but I see the same flaws in your logic in firing him and resetting the coach again with no continuity. We're going to create a culture where players can't expect a coach to be around for no longer than two years.
I think my desire is to have a Dwane Casey situation. He obviously did not do well in his first two seasons by any means. But he's kept that team afloat near the top ever since. I don't think the Magic are in playoff contention next year, and obviously, there are different styles of coaching between Vogel and Casey, but Vogel isn't a hardass like SVG. I think he does a good job finding the positives in individual play and trying to adjust in certain situations, I just don't think there's much any coach could do with this season.
Anyways, I know it's an unpopular opinion and I'm prepared for the backlash.
