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Turgon wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:

Turgon wrote:
I can assure you that in Europe nobody outside those who follow the NBA know who Curry is. And even amongst those who do Curry isn't considered all that great. I have a friend who is at a convention in LA and is going to the Lakers - Warriors game tonight. He bought the ticket online about one month ago because he wanted to see LeBron vs the champions. He knows about Durant, knows Curry is a good player but never heard about the others.

But he knows who Brady is.

Interesting, I wonder how much of it is Nike's branding and how much is lebron's personality. I'd also be interested in ages though. Curry is a freaking mega star with kids under 12, like he is THE nba player for that age group. MJ levels from what I'm hearing from those with kids.

I'm talking about guys my age. I'm 46. We all started following the NBA in the 80s.
People in Europe can't follow the NBA all that closely due to time differences. Not many working people can't stay up until 3 or 4 am. So most adults who like the NBA watch mainly replays of games or follow the league through the app.

They aren't all that invested though, just like to watch games and highlights.

I'd say LeBron and Harden are the most well known, followed by Durant and Curry.

Everybody knows about Bird, Magic and Jordan because they were the stars when the NBA started to expand its market to Europe. No player since then is nearly as iconic.

And Brady, like I said, is known by people who follow sports globally or follow the social media closely. He is not nearly as known in Europe as he is on the states, but I'd guess he is at the same tier as other famous athletes like Phelps. That is still one tier above almost all NBA players.

I would expect there are some huge generational gaps, just like there are in the US but I could be wrong. i was shocked to hear how popular Curry was with kids for example. I'd have never known if not from hearing from parents. Then again I'm still not sure why anyone would use something like instagram...so I'm certainly not in touch myself.

DirtyDez wrote:*blasphemous NFL topic on the GB*

Going with Duncan...

5 titles (for now)
One team his entire career
Incredible longevity
Incredibly clutch
Not considered the most talented player at their position
Never an off-the-field incident

• If you're talking about skill: Steve Nash
• If you're talking about Career: Steph Curry

--Mags

Brady is like James Harden, except you can’t breathe on him in the playoffs either.


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Turgon wrote:

asas wrote:

Turgon wrote:
You guys are crazy. I'm European, my daughter is seventeen years old, has never seen an NFL game in her life (I doubt she even knows how it is played), would struggle to name more than a couple NBA players, but she loves Tom Brady. Heck, my wife loves Tom Brady and she's never seen a football game either. You guys underrate social media power.

And I'm European. I'm 26. Learned who Brady is last year when I saw Super Bowl on the UK TV at night. That's when I kinda started to recognize his name. And I follow all the USA sports shows on youtube for years. He's just not well known in EU, nothing wrong with that.

That would be because of your age. You aren't old enough to have wife / daughter who first knew about Tom Brady through Gisele. And I'm guessing you don't follow football or you would have heard about Brady the first season you started following.

Truth is, outside of those who follow the NBA (which admittedly are many) nobody knows who Harden, Irving, Curry or even Durant is. People know about LeBron because he is the best. And people know about Brady because he is also the best, he is good looking, married to a supermodel and considered by many to be the GOAT. They know about him the same way people in America know about Ronaldo or Messi. The same way people know who Phelps or Tiger Woods are.

They're famous people.

Yeah that's true. Nobody around here talks about NFL so you can't really tell if they know who Brady is or not.

Dadouv47 wrote:

Kyrie For Three wrote:

Dadouv47 wrote:
On a international level 30+ NBA players are more famous than Brady.

This thread isn't going to go anywhere.

Believe me there are very few NBA players who are the equivalent of Tom Brady, period. I can only really only go with MJ. You got to be the absolute very damn best at your craft.

You talked about players being known on a international level. I wasn't speaking about who is the best. Pretty sure Kyrie Irving is more famous in Europe than Tom Brady.

Absolutely not. Kobe or LeBron sure...but no way in hell Kyrie Irving.

DirtyDez wrote:*blasphemous NFL topic on the GB*

Going with Duncan...

5 titles (for now)
One team his entire career
Incredible longevity
Incredibly clutch
Not considered the most talented player at their position
Never an off-the-field incident

Yep def Duncan

Eli would be...

Lalouie wrote:

Sofia wrote:Lebron.

Both GOAT

3 of 8 is not goat by nba standards. it points to lack of clutch performance. in fact it's absolutely mundane. any star doing less would be the buffalo bills.

when brady has the ball LAST, people expect a clutch performance. that is not the case with lebron as he has given the ball up more often than not, and as opposed to the likes of mj, kaj, bird, kobe DEMANDING the ball in their hands

The Lebron not clutch argument? What is this, 2009?

Illmatic12 wrote:

valrond1 wrote:

Illmatic12 wrote:Because Brady doesn't play defense. I don't believe you can call him the "system" when he has literally no involvement in 50% of the game strategy, as in not even on the field of play. Thus he doesn't inspire the same singular feeling of awe and dominance as a Michael Jordan , Wayne Gretzky, or Lionel Messi, etc. Or even athletes like Usain Bolt or Federer in individual sports.


Brady is a talented player who's been incredibly fortunate to play with great defenses and a great coach/GM in Belichick who created the system, established the culture and built the rosters. If Aaron Rodgers' had enjoyed the defenses, offensive line support, playcalling etc of Brady's Patriots would we be talking about him in the same light ?

Last season he had the best QB performance ever in the SB, yet they lost, because the defense SUCKED. So yeah, sometimes the defense helps, and others it doesn't. The constant is Brady. When you need him to make a pass, he does. He has made, how many? 5 comeback drives in the final quarters? He did it last year, but the defense couldn't hold it.

Didn't the Patriots go 11-5 in 2008 with Matt Cassell starting instead of Brady?
Seems like the constant is Bill Belichick..

Belichick was 41-57 before Brady started for them. Also, Matt Cassell also went 11-5 with Kansas City and made the playoffs.

The best ever, winner, champion, marketable, stayed with his team his entire career, even if you don’t like him you respect him. Which is why the Jordan. And not James.

Sofia wrote:

Lalouie wrote:

Sofia wrote:Lebron.

Both GOAT

3 of 8 is not goat by nba standards. it points to lack of clutch performance. in fact it's absolutely mundane. any star doing less would be the buffalo bills.

when brady has the ball LAST, people expect a clutch performance. that is not the case with lebron as he has given the ball up more often than not, and as opposed to the likes of mj, kaj, bird, kobe DEMANDING the ball in their hands

The Lebron not clutch argument? What is this, 2009?

you're gonna get a LOT of people questioning lebron's unwillingness to take THE necessary shot at end of games and it's not just coming from me, it's coming from talking heads media and ex-pros alike. you MUST be aware of that by now, right? now, a lot of them excuse james for being a willing passer or they might even point to his bad ft shooting as to why he just settles for 3's, but others will say that's why lebron is not sitting at the table with kobe, mj, bird, kaj.

and SERIOUSLY, your ridiculous jpeg doesn't make the case for lebron better

Dupp wrote:

Kyrie For Three wrote:

oldschooled wrote:Jordan. He's the GOAT.

Yeah only head to head comparison is MJ. Nobody else I feel is even famous enough on a national and international level to go against Brady.

Brady aint that famous outide america. Hes not on that lebron / kobe etc level.

True but in the US the NFL is probably 10 times as popular.

Lalouie wrote:

Sofia wrote:

Lalouie wrote:
3 of 8 is not goat by nba standards. it points to lack of clutch performance. in fact it's absolutely mundane. any star doing less would be the buffalo bills.

when brady has the ball LAST, people expect a clutch performance. that is not the case with lebron as he has given the ball up more often than not, and as opposed to the likes of mj, kaj, bird, kobe DEMANDING the ball in their hands

The Lebron not clutch argument? What is this, 2009?

you're gonna get a LOT of people questioning lebron's unwillingness to take THE necessary shot at end of games and it's not just coming from me, it's coming from talking heads media and ex-pros alike. you MUST be aware of that by now, right? now, a lot of them excuse james for being a willing passer or they might even point to his bad ft shooting as to why he just settles for 3's, but others will say that's why lebron is not sitting at the table with kobe, mj, bird, kaj.

and SERIOUSLY, your ridiculous jpeg doesn't make the case for lebron better

Not at the table with Kobe? Wow it might be 2007!

Sofia wrote:

Lalouie wrote:

Sofia wrote:
The Lebron not clutch argument? What is this, 2009?

you're gonna get a LOT of people questioning lebron's unwillingness to take THE necessary shot at end of games and it's not just coming from me, it's coming from talking heads media and ex-pros alike. you MUST be aware of that by now, right? now, a lot of them excuse james for being a willing passer or they might even point to his bad ft shooting as to why he just settles for 3's, but others will say that's why lebron is not sitting at the table with kobe, mj, bird, kaj.

and SERIOUSLY, your ridiculous jpeg doesn't make the case for lebron better

Not at the table with Kobe? Wow it might be 2007!

man,,,,you SO do not get the whole brady, kobe, mj, bird, kaj comparison and why lebron does not belong with these guys

On the topic question....there's no Tom Brady player comparison for the NBA. The NBA doesn't have an equivalent player with Tom Brady's level of domination.

Super Bowl Championships:

Pittsburgh Steelers - 6

New England Patriots - 5
Tom Brady - 5
Dallas Cowboys - 5
San Francisco 49ers - 5

Green Bay Packers - 4
New York Giants - 4

Denver Broncos - 3
Oakland Raiders - 3
Washington Redskins - 3

Miami Dolphins - 2
Indianapolis Colts - 2
Baltimore Ravens - 2

Los Angeles Rams - 1
Seattle Seahawks - 1
Philadelphia Eagles - 1
Kansas City Chiefs - 1
Chicago Bears - 1
New York Jets - 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 1
New Orleans Saints - 1

Minnesota Vikings - 0
Buffalo Bills - 0
Cincinnati Bengals - 0
Atlanta Falcons - 0
Carolina Panthers - 0
Los Angeles Chargers - 0
Tennessee Titans - 0
Arizona Cardinals - 0
Cleveland Browns - 0
Detroit Lions - 0
Jacksonville Jaguars - 0
Houston Texans - 0

Super Bowl Appearances (Conference Championships):

New England Patriots - 11

Tom Brady - 9

Pittsburgh Steelers - 8
Dallas Cowboys - 8
Denver Broncos - 8

San Francisco 49ers - 6

Green Bay Packers - 5
New York Giants - 5
Washington Redskins - 5
Oakland Raiders - 5
Miami Dolphins - 5

Los Angeles Rams - 4
Indianapolis Colts - 4
Minnesota Vikings - 4
Buffalo Bills

Philadelphia Eagles - 3
Seattle Seahawks - 3

Baltimore Ravens - 2
Kansas City Chiefs - 2
Chicago Bears - 2
Cincinnati Bengals - 2
Carolina Panthers - 2
Atlanta Falcons - 2

New York Jets - 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 1
New Orleans Saints - 1
Los Angeles Chargers - 1
Tennessee Titans - 1
Arizona Cardinals - 1

Cleveland Browns - 0
Detroit Lions - 0
Jacksonville Jaguars - 0
Houston Texans - 0

NFL Playoff Wins:

New England Patriots - 36
Pittsburgh Steelers - 36

Dallas Cowboys - 35

Green Bay Packers - 34

San Francisco 49ers - 30

Tom Brady - 29

Oakland Raiders - 25

New York Giants - 24

Indianapolis Colts - 23

Denver Broncos - 23
Washington Redskins - 23

Philadelphia Eagles - 22

Los Angeles Rams - 21

Miami Dolphins - 20
Minnesota Vikings - 20

Chicago Bears - 17

Seattle Seahawks - 16

Baltimore Ravens - 15
Tennessee Titans - 15

Buffalo Bills - 14

Los Angeles Chargers - 12
New York Jets - 12

Cleveland Browns - 11

Kansas City Chiefs - 10
Atlanta Falcons - 10

New Orleans Saints - 9
Carolina Panthers - 9

Detroit Lions - 7
Arizona Cardinals - 7
Jacksonville Jaguars - 7

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 6

Cincinnati Bengals - 5

Houston Texans - 3

Kyrie For Three wrote:

oldschooled wrote:Jordan. He's the GOAT.

Yeah only head to head comparison is MJ. Nobody else I feel is even famous enough on a national and international level to go against Brady.

Mr Gisele is less famous than his wife worldwide.

Didn't Matt Cassell play well under Belicheck?

inquisitive wrote:Didn't Matt Cassell play well under Belicheck?

Bill Belichick's regular season head coaching record without Tom Brady is 54-63. His playoffs record in 7 seasons without Tom Brady is 1-1, and he only made the playoffs once in 7 seasons without Brady. Once, in seven seasons. Without Brady, he never made it past the divisional round of the playoffs.

The argument that Belichick is responsible for Brady and benefited Brady more than the other way around, simply makes no sense at all, under even the very slightest bit of scrutiny.

dhsilv2 wrote:

Froob wrote:You’d have to be crazy to still think there’s a better QB, I don’t ever want to hear Rodgers, Peyton, ect. Is the goat.

I'll take Manning and Marino without a second though.

Or first apparently

OdomFan wrote:

valrond1 wrote:Lebron made 8 consecutive finals, Brady made 8 consecutive conference finals, both really incredible accomplishments. They both give their best when the games are on the line, Lebron is the best game 7 player ever, and Brady is the best playoff player ever.

Those losses to the Giants kind of take away from that.

So are you among those that feel Montana getting blown out in the Conf finals is better than Brady losing in close Super Bowls?

Brady is the NFL Kobe. One team entire career. Like Brady, Kobe had to consistently be great because everyone was quick to say his peers were better.