Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[DayofMourning]

Whatever happens, we need to bring back Dragic. That should be a priority in the offseason. Give him a huge 1 year deal with the promise of a longer contract in 2021.

As crazy as it sounds, guys like Goran Dragic reach their prime in their mid 30s. He’s going to be playing at a high level for the next 3 years at least, IMO.

Yeah. Dragic and Jae have to be here. You cannot replace their production. Their chemistry with the rest of the team is at its peak, which is a major reason they are performing so well.

Props to Butler for bringing the attitude we needed. Out with Dion and Hassan and their mental issues. Butler is worth every penny.

[al bondiga]

A one-year deal? The best offer to make dragic is a multi-year extension with a 13 million salary more or less

[Rapaz]

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[AirP.]

Whatever happens, we need to bring back Dragic. That should be a priority in the offseason. Give him a huge 1 year deal with the promise of a longer contract in 2021.

As crazy as it sounds, guys like Goran Dragic reach their prime in their mid 30s. He’s going to be playing at a high level for the next 3 years at least, IMO.

Yeah. Dragic and Jae have to be here. You cannot replace their production. There chemistry with the rest of the team is at its peak, which is a major reason they are performing so well.

Props to Butler for bringing the attitude we needed. Out with Dion and Hassan and their mental issues. Butler is worth every penny.

Here's the situation, ignore 2021 like I've said for over a year now because Riley knows how to make trades. You keep your core players and add 1 more quality player. Giannis isn't going to leave Milwaukee.

Miami resigns everyone you want because you're not going to have cap room for free agents if you're bringing Dragic, Crowder, DJJ back, if you're doing that you might as well bring Leonard back. Olynyk may/probably will opt in(12.1 - not sure where he'd get that type of money next year, maybe MLE from someone), Iggy is on the books for 15 and Nunn is 1.5, right there you have 3 players combining for nearly 28 million then possibly toss in a draft pick and you may be able to add another high-level player, say J.Holiday, K.Lowery, or D.Green... just think how much better this current team would be with any one of those players added to this current group minus Olynyk/Iggy/Nunn.

Next year you could see Herro(might be the leading scorer next year), Butler, Robinson, Crowder, and Bam starting with Dragic, DJJ, Leonard, and Silva on the bench, so your upgrades could be a defensive guard(J.Holiday, K.Lowery) or a defensive big(D.Green). We also should start seeing Bam starting to take(not make so much) 3s next year, the 2021-2022 season is when I think we'll start to see real work put in on Bam's 3s.

[zimpy27]

Miami have 15m to spend on Dragic, Crowder, Jones. That ensures they keep a mac salary open for an FA in 2021.

Who do the Heat let go?

[Wiltside]

Miami have 15m to spend on Dragic, Crowder, Jones. That ensures they keep a mac salary open for an FA in 2021.

Who do the Heat let go?

Jones the obvious one out of those three. He’s the most replaceable given we have KZ Okpala in the wings who could serve in a similar role next year.

I think Crowder is the one that goes unfortunately. I just don’t see a way we can retain him unless he goes for a large 1yr offer, but there will be god money multi year deals on the table for him.

Dragic has played too well to let go. I think we sign Goran to a big 1yr deal in 2020 and extend him for an additional 2-3 years on MLE type cash in 2021.

We’re probably going to have to go bargain hunting for a 3&D wing that can play the Crowder type role at the 4 for us in 2020-21 IMO.

[zimpy27]

Miami have 15m to spend on Dragic, Crowder, Jones. That ensures they keep a mac salary open for an FA in 2021.

Who do the Heat let go?

Jones the obvious one out of those three. He’s the most replaceable given we have KZ Okpala in the wings who could serve in a similar role next year.

I think Crowder is the one that goes unfortunately. I just don’t see a way we can retain him unless he goes for a large 1yr offer, but there will be god money multi year deals on the table for him.

Dragic has played too well to let go. I think we sign Goran to a big 1yr deal in 2020 and extend him for an additional 2-3 years on MLE type cash in 2021.

We’re probably going to have to go bargain hunting for a 3&D wing that can play the Crowder type role at the 4 for us in 2020-21 IMO.

I wonder if Dragic and Crowder would take 4-5 year contracts at lower salary?

Between them they can share $86m over 5 years. Maybe $50m for Dragic and $36m for Crowder?

They can then sign Giannis and the team is:

Dragic, Robinson, Butler, Giannis, Bam
Nunn, Herro, Okpala, Crowder
Plus $5m MLE, 2020 #20 pick, 4 vet mins to round out the 15.

[DayofMourning]

Miami have 15m to spend on Dragic, Crowder, Jones. That ensures they keep a mac salary open for an FA in 2021.

Who do the Heat let go?

Jones the obvious one out of those three. He’s the most replaceable given we have KZ Okpala in the wings who could serve in a similar role next year.

I think Crowder is the one that goes unfortunately. I just don’t see a way we can retain him unless he goes for a large 1yr offer, but there will be god money multi year deals on the table for him.

Dragic has played too well to let go. I think we sign Goran to a big 1yr deal in 2020 and extend him for an additional 2-3 years on MLE type cash in 2021.

We’re probably going to have to go bargain hunting for a 3&D wing that can play the Crowder type role at the 4 for us in 2020-21 IMO.

I wonder if Dragic and Crowder would take 4-5 year contracts at lower salary?

Between them they can share $86m over 5 years. Maybe $50m for Dragic and $36m for Crowder?

They can then sign Giannis and the team is:

Dragic, Robinson, Butler, Giannis, Bam
Nunn, Herro, Okpala, Crowder
Plus $5m MLE, 2020 #20 pick, 4 vet mins to round out the 15.

Crowders never gotten paid, and the way he's playing now, he's due a nice deal. I keep saying $15 million average yearly. Most years he can get too.

I think Dragic could do the Heat a solid and do a nice one year contract this off-season, then sign for the MLE. Will have to delve deeper into this since we have space. Hes 34 though. Most 34 year olds, outside of Lebron, don't get large long term deals.

[twix2500]

I have a feeling Crowder and Dragic will take less than what they will get elsewhere but how much less is the question. Really doubt they will take bottom feeder money. At the end of the day, the heat gonna have to makes moves via trade not free agency. So resigning Dragic and Crowder likely will be resigned and become trade chips

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[zimpy27]

Jones the obvious one out of those three. He’s the most replaceable given we have KZ Okpala in the wings who could serve in a similar role next year.

I think Crowder is the one that goes unfortunately. I just don’t see a way we can retain him unless he goes for a large 1yr offer, but there will be god money multi year deals on the table for him.

Dragic has played too well to let go. I think we sign Goran to a big 1yr deal in 2020 and extend him for an additional 2-3 years on MLE type cash in 2021.

We’re probably going to have to go bargain hunting for a 3&D wing that can play the Crowder type role at the 4 for us in 2020-21 IMO.

I wonder if Dragic and Crowder would take 4-5 year contracts at lower salary?

Between them they can share $86m over 5 years. Maybe $50m for Dragic and $36m for Crowder?

They can then sign Giannis and the team is:

Dragic, Robinson, Butler, Giannis, Bam
Nunn, Herro, Okpala, Crowder
Plus $5m MLE, 2020 #20 pick, 4 vet mins to round out the 15.

Crowders never gotten paid, and the way he's playing now, he's due a nice deal. I keep saying $15 million average yearly. Most years he can get too.

I think Dragic could do the Heat a solid and do a nice one year contract this off-season, then sign for the MLE. Will have to delve deeper into this since we have space. Hes 34 though. Most 34 year olds, outside of Lebron, don't get large long term deals.

Makes sense, keeping Dragic and Jones likely happens then.

[DayofMourning]

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[DayofMourning]

Makes sense, keeping Dragic and Jones likely happens then.

Hard to say. I don't think Crowder's elite role player contributions will be lost on Riley. I think there's some flexibility in getting both he and Dragic signed. However, it's going to take some cap gymnastics. We'll see. Without Crowder, we're nowhere near the clutch version of the Heat you're seeing now. The Winslow trade was depressing for obvious reasons, but it's one of the more ridiculous steals in recent memory.

[Wiltside]

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Yasoo Giannis, welcome aboard.

[DayofMourning]

You see this Wilt?

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Yasoo Giannis, welcome aboard.

Like you said, Giannis is a better player as a Heat. Not going to see this crazy stat line per 36 like he's doing on the Bucks, but he will be his most efficient self.

[MartyCONLONNN]

So Giannis officially opened the door for leaving for the first time ever & the headline is that he wants to stay in Milwaukee. I think what he said today was huge and Miami now legitimately in play with Dallas & Raptors/GSW as dark horse options. What an incredible opportunity this team has in these playoffs and for the future. This is what Riley has been waiting for before Malibu. Would be some kind of storybook ending for the Godfather.

[Wiltside]

So Giannis officially opened the door for leaving for the first time ever & the headline is that he wants to stay in Milwaukee. I think what he said today was huge and Miami now legitimately in play with Dallas & Raptors/GSW as dark horse options. What an incredible opportunity this team has in these playoffs and for the future. This is what Riley has been waiting for before Malibu. Would be some kind of storybook ending for the Godfather.

Assuming Bam is onboard with the plan and OK to wait til next summer for his big payday, we are in an incredible spot for 2021.

How many teams can offer:
- Competitive team right now
- Eastern Conference
- Veteran All-Star and young All-Star
- Elite shooting
- Top 3 coach in the NBA
- One of the top Front Offices in the NBA

Toronto the only team that comes close, but they’ll have to lose some very important pieces in Lowry/Ibaka to make the cap work. We have a max slot ready to go.

Honestly, I’m going to put myself out there and straight up say I think Giannis will be a member of the Heat in 2021-22 (unless he signs supermax this offszn. Basically, if he takes FA meetings, I think he’s coming.

[puppa bear]

So Giannis officially opened the door for leaving for the first time ever & the headline is that he wants to stay in Milwaukee. I think what he said today was huge and Miami now legitimately in play with Dallas & Raptors/GSW as dark horse options. What an incredible opportunity this team has in these playoffs and for the future. This is what Riley has been waiting for before Malibu. Would be some kind of storybook ending for the Godfather.

Assuming Bam is onboard with the plan and OK to wait til next summer for his big payday, we are in an incredible spot for 2021.

How many teams can offer:
- Competitive team right now
- Eastern Conference
- Veteran All-Star and young All-Star
- Elite shooting
- Top 3 coach in the NBA
- One of the top Front Offices in the NBA

Toronto the only team that comes close, but they’ll have to lose some very important pieces in Lowry/Ibaka to make the cap work. We have a max slot ready to go.

Honestly, I’m going to put myself out there and straight up say I think Giannis will be a member of the Heat in 2021-22 (unless he signs supermax this offszn. Basically, if he takes FA meetings, I think he’s coming.

Heat will likely have an unparalleled sales pitch in 2021, but without player influence (ala D-Wade telling Jimmy about Miami), there will be something missing. Heat need to ensure they have that last element.

Trading before 2021 would be impatient, IMO. Jimmy showed that being patient and playing the long game can reap huge rewards - especially if you have inside word on.

[Vertical Limit]

Dragic is going to want his multi year deal. He is 34. 3 years 50 million with a third year team option will probably get him to sign.

My guess is Olynyk is definitely going to opt out. He will find a long term deal elsewhere.

Jae Crowder will seek a multi year deal.

And most of all, Bam’s agent will be on the phone seeking a max extension.

If yall think these players are going to sit around for Riley to throw millions at someone else that isnt part of this team right now, then youre kidding yourself. This isnt the Marcus Blount/Ricky Davis Miami Heat squad where they would take any **** contract and leave in 2010. These sre legitimate roleplayers that many teams around the league are targeting right now, many of those teams are ready to give up lots of money .

These guys dont give a **** about Giannis or Kawhi Leonard, or whoever else Riley has in mind in 2021zThey obviously love being here but they need their financials taken care of.

So if youre going to speculate, make sure youre not using a trade machine or NBA 2K to come up with your scenarios. Because there is a realness in this that ive yet to read on this thread.

[DayofMourning]

At age 34, it will be interesting to see if the Heat come to a mutual understanding of his value, and his role on the team.

Here's an excerpt from a Bleacher Report article:

"We'll see," Dragic said about signing the one-year deal. "A lot of different factors, my family, myself. I would say it's too soon to talk about it. I'm not thinking about my next contract. I've always been a guy in the present."

Read here.

These parties know each other real well. Both sides will recognize the value of Dragic's contributions. However, its in the team's best interests to have him take a one year deal, and then come back to the table next year. He's the sacrificial guy in terms of contracts. He's going to have to be willing to forego long term security and take the short term deals to allow the team to remain flexible. Big ask, but Goran seems like the kind of guy to do it.

[twix2500]

I do think Kelly will opt out. I think most players will opt in because of the uncertainty of the economy. If I was the Heat I would be looking to trade Olynyk for cap space to sign Ibaka. Only if they get a verbal agreement with Ibaka first. Ibaka and Bam front court would solve a lot of problems.

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