Luka Doncic has officially entered the MVP race

BrooklynDynasty · Post #181 » by **BrooklynDynasty** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:43 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
BrooklynDynasty wrote:This team is struggling to stay above .500, that's not MVP in any universe, no matter how many points Luka _Oncic puts up on 40 shots a game

He plays very good D, but he is white Euro, so thats enough for some people to make their ''scouting conclusions''...

No he doesn't. By definition a player truly putting up MVP stats on offense and 'very good' D would have their team near the top of the standings. That's a historical NBA axiom.

Post #182 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:44 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
BrooklynDynasty wrote:This team is struggling to stay above .500, that's not MVP in any universe, no matter how many points Luka _Oncic puts up on 40 shots a game

He plays very good D, but he is white Euro, so thats enough for some people to make their ''scouting conclusions''...

No he doesn't. By definition a player truly putting up MVP stats on offense and 'very good' D would have their team near the top of the standings. That's a historical NBA axiom.

Kevin Garnett's entire Minnesota tenure save 03-04 would suggest that's not an axiom mate. :lol:

UcanUwill · Post #183 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:45 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
BrooklynDynasty wrote:This team is struggling to stay above .500, that's not MVP in any universe, no matter how many points Luka _Oncic puts up on 40 shots a game

He plays very good D, but he is white Euro, so thats enough for some people to make their ''scouting conclusions''...

No he doesn't. By definition a player truly putting up MVP stats on offense and 'very good' D would have their team near the top of the standings. That's a historical NBA axiom.

Amazing evaluation.

GeorgeGervin · Post #184 » by **GeorgeGervin** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:47 pm

khufure wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
GeorgeGervin wrote:I've rarely seen a team more relying on one player than yesterday Mavs. It was crazy how nobody outside of Luka could create shots or even make open shots despite Luka giving them open looks all night.
I mean, at halftime, Luka had scored or assisted on 41 of the 52 Mavs points (around 80%).
I can't blame him for having trouble shooting the ball in the 2nd half, he was exhausted doing everything for the team. He still finished the game creating 67 of the 101 Dallas points.
And what is wrong with the refs not willing to give Luka FTs? Is it because of his constant whining? Maybe, but I can understand him at times, he should get more calls.

Concerning efficiency, he rebounded like 3 of his misses then made the basket, so he was more efficient than it looks like.

You should have really watched the game. Luka was the only one who showed up, and the Mavs are missing 5 or 6 key players (2 starters and their 6th man), and KP is playing pretty bad.

Give him guys who can actually make baskets and I see him averaging around 11-12apg.

Yeah, the lack of calls is getting out of hand. He leads the NBA in drives and gets fouled constantly, yet he's only 7th in FTAs. It's been especially egregious as of late. People whine about him whining, yet ignore why he's whining. If he got the calls Harden or Trae did, he'd be shooting 20 FTs a game. And I'm not talking him not getting ticky tack star calls. I'm talking him getting swiped in the back of a head on a drive with no call calls.

To some degree there's a skill in getting calls. I expect with more experience he will start getting more FTA.

I understand that, but from the 7-8 Mavs games I watched this year, it seems he's not getting several calls a game he should get.
Watch this :

Watch on YouTube

How could the refs not call that? I can't blame him for being so upset about this one.

Muha_i_samolet · Post #185 » by **Muha_i_samolet** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:49 pm

Luka is not only a very good defender, he's the only player in the NBA who can guard all 5 positions.

J_T · Post #186 » by **J_T** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:51 pm

Nets fans are replacing Clippers fans as ... well, not gonna say it, it's probably against forum rules. You know.

But it was Raptors fans 2 seasons ago, then replaced by Clippers last season and now Nets. It's too funny.

LoneyROY · Post #187 » by **LoneyROY** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:52 pm

Muha_i_samolet wrote:Luka is not only a very good defender, he's the only player in the NBA who can guard all 5 positions.

What are they putting in the water in Dallas? :lol:

Whatever it is, it's certainly not helping with objective basketball analysis.

GeorgeGervin · Post #188 » by **GeorgeGervin** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:53 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
BrooklynDynasty wrote:This team is struggling to stay above .500, that's not MVP in any universe, no matter how many points Luka _Oncic puts up on 40 shots a game

He plays very good D, but he is white Euro, so thats enough for some people to make their ''scouting conclusions''...

No he doesn't. By definition a player truly putting up MVP stats on offense and 'very good' D would have their team near the top of the standings. That's a historical NBA axiom.

It looks like you're just a troll but there are tons of examples that don't match your axiom. AD in NO was one of them.
And Luka's clearly not elite in D, he's good.
And the Mavs are missing so many players lately it's unfair to put it on Doncic.
Quit the trolling, it's bad.

Post #189 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:55 pm

J_T wrote:Nets fans are replacing Clippers fans as ... well, not gonna say it, it's probably against forum rules. You know.

But it was Raptors fans 2 seasons ago, then replaced by Clippers last season and now Nets. It's too funny.

LoneyROY wrote:
What are they putting in the water in Dallas?

Whatever it is, it's certainly not helping with objective basketball analysis.

Not at all a fan of these types of generalizations. I certainly don't want other Mavs fans held accountable for my takes. :wink:

J_T · Post #190 » by **J_T** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:56 pm

GeorgeGervin wrote:
khufure wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:

Yeah, the lack of calls is getting out of hand. He leads the NBA in drives and gets fouled constantly, yet he's only 7th in FTAs. It's been especially egregious as of late. People whine about him whining, yet ignore why he's whining. If he got the calls Harden or Trae did, he'd be shooting 20 FTs a game. And I'm not talking him not getting ticky tack star calls. I'm talking him getting swiped in the back of a head on a drive with no call calls.

To some degree there's a skill in getting calls. I expect with more experience he will start getting more FTA.

I understand that, but from the 7-8 Mavs games I watched this year, it seems he's not getting several calls a game he should get.
Watch this :

Watch on YouTube

How could the refs not call that? I can't blame him for being so upset about this one.

Here's with the sound as well...

Watch on YouTube

BrooklynDynasty · Post #191 » by **BrooklynDynasty** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:57 pm

GeorgeGervin wrote:
BrooklynDynasty wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
He plays very good D, but he is white Euro, so thats enough for some people to make their ''scouting conclusions''...

No he doesn't. By definition a player truly putting up MVP stats on offense and 'very good' D would have their team near the top of the standings. That's a historical NBA axiom.

It looks like you're just a troll but there are tons of examples that don't match your axiom. AD in NO was one of them.
And Luka's clearly not elite in D, he's good.
And the Mavs are missing so many players lately it's unfair to put it on Doncic.
Quit the trolling, it's bad.

Those players as good as they were, were not putting up eye popping MVP stats offensively and when Garnett did do that, his team did in fact finish near the top of the standings so i'm not sure where posters think the contradiction is

GeorgeGervin · Post #192 » by **GeorgeGervin** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:03 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:
GeorgeGervin wrote:
BrooklynDynasty wrote:
No he doesn't. By definition a player truly putting up MVP stats on offense and 'very good' D would have their team near the top of the standings. That's a historical NBA axiom.

It looks like you're just a troll but there are tons of examples that don't match your axiom. AD in NO was one of them.
And Luka's clearly not elite in D, he's good.
And the Mavs are missing so many players lately it's unfair to put it on Doncic.
Quit the trolling, it's bad.

Those players as good as they were, were not putting up eye popping MVP stats offensively and when Garnett did do that, his team did in fact finish near the top of the standings so i'm not sure where posters think the contradiction is

AD put up 28 and 11 on 61TS% in 2018 yet his team finished 6th in the West.
Looks like there's more to a team than just the star player.

One question, have you watched yesterday's game? If so, did it look to you that Luka's teammates are good enough right now to get to the top of the West?

Post #193 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:05 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:Those players as good as they were, were not putting up eye popping MVP stats offensively and when Garnett did do that, his team did in fact finish near the top of the standings so i'm not sure where posters think the contradiction is

Kevin Garnett 03-04 Wolves top of the West 24/14/5 55% TS
Kevin Garnett 04-05 Wolves not in playoffs 22/14/6 57% TS

So about that axiom again?

BrooklynDynasty · Post #194 » by **BrooklynDynasty** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:06 pm

28 and 11 are not MVP level stats, in today's NBA with scoring inflation that is all-star, all-NBA caliber, but not MVP level. If Luka is as good offensively in scoring rebounding and playmaking most key at the MVP level as Mavs fans say he is, then with 'Very good' defense his team should be near the top of the pack regardless of teammates.

Some smartguy · Post #195 » by **Some smartguy** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:13 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
BrooklynDynasty wrote:This team is struggling to stay above .500, that's not MVP in any universe, no matter how many points Luka _Oncic puts up on 40 shots a game

He plays very good D, but he is white Euro, so thats enough for some people to make their ''scouting conclusions''...

No he doesn't. By definition a player truly putting up MVP stats on offense and 'very good' D would have their team near the top of the standings. That's a historical NBA axiom.

Dear God. How many times do we have to explain to you Luka haters that the Mavericks have been without 3-4 starters for almost the whole season, Porzingis just got back and looks like a bum, and two of the best bench players have also been out. No matter how good a player is, they can't go one-on-five and expect to win.

Bob8 · Post #196 » by **Bob8** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:14 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:28 and 11 are not MVP level stats, in today's NBA with scoring inflation that is all-star, all-NBA caliber, but not MVP level. If Luka is as good offensively in scoring rebounding and playmaking most key at the MVP level as Mavs fans say he is, then with 'Very good' defense his team should be near the top of the pack regardless of teammates.

They're missing 6 best players behind Luka and KP played only 3 games, and he looks like mostly players look after 5 months without playing. Tell me, would LeBron be winning with AD being injured most of the season and missing 6 best players behind him?

LukaV · Post #197 » by **LukaV** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:15 pm

Many posters here are ignoring:
- the fact that the Mavs have lost one game playing without Luka (first one vs. Bulls),
- that Porzingis missed all but the last two games and is still coming back into shape
- that they've lost two recent games with 6 of their top 8 players out because of Covid
- that they've had one of the toughest schedules so far.

Quite a few posts here have pointed out one or more of the above-mentioned factors, but somehow many posters still choose to ignore them.

GeorgeGervin · Post #198 » by **GeorgeGervin** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:15 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:28 and 11 are not MVP level stats, in today's NBA with scoring inflation that is all-star, all-NBA caliber, but not MVP level. If Luka is as good offensively in scoring rebounding and playmaking most key at the MVP level as Mavs fans say he is, then with 'Very good' defense his team should be near the top of the pack regardless of teammates.

Well it's funny how 28/11/2 aren't MVP stats when Harden that year won the MVP with pretty similar stats (30/8/5).
Once again, you sound like the kind of guy who forgot that basketball is a team sport, and only looks at basketball-reference and not actual games. Have fun.

NY 567 · Post #199 » by **NY 567** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:15 pm

His cast isn't great even when they're healthy, what exactly is he supposed to do playing without 5 rotation players and a rusty KP? The guy is doing everything on offense and is even turning into a great defensive player. When the team gets back and KP gets into a rhythm, the Mavs are going to be incredibly hard to stop.

Archx · Post #200 » by **Archx** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:17 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:28 and 11 are not MVP level stats, in today's NBA with scoring inflation that is all-star, all-NBA caliber, but not MVP level. If Luka is as good offensively in scoring rebounding and playmaking most key at the MVP level as Mavs fans say he is, then with 'Very good' defense his team should be near the top of the pack regardless of teammates.

Are you serious? He's 4th in PPG 2nd in ASTPG and 13th RPG. He's the only guy averaging those numbers. Jokic is close but still 3ppg and 2rpg short of him.

Luka is averaging this month 31/13/11/1.4 steals on 48%FG and 37% from 3pt range. ---> 5 W 2 L

"his team should be near the top of the pack regardless of teammates"

Sure, because he's a copy of an 27yo (in his prime) LBJ right now, right? :crazy: