Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together?

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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#181 » by Foye » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:45 pm

thinktank wrote:
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thinktank wrote:
What's all this "they" talk?

You're the biggest Timberwolves fan on the board!

:lol:


Nah.
I am done since they traded for Russell.
I watch some highlights here and there and thats all you need to determine the failures within the organization.


This is a clear cut example of a person bargaining with their own self.


Well if thats your opinion.
At least I am bargaining unlike Rosas who was handing out free gifts to other teams… :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#182 » by thinktank » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:30 pm

Foye wrote:
thinktank wrote:
Foye wrote:
Nah.
I am done since they traded for Russell.
I watch some highlights here and there and thats all you need to determine the failures within the organization.


This is a clear cut example of a person bargaining with their own self.


Well if thats your opinion.
At least I am bargaining unlike Rosas who was handing out free gifts to other teams… :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol:

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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#183 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:56 pm

Quentin wrote:Year after year, they are terrible. Not only is their roster continually a trainwreck of fit, they never get love from the refs. It's always an uphill battle with this team.

My latest is how we drafted Jarrett Culver #6 after trading up from #11. I wanted to stay put and draft Brandon Clarke. Well, Clarke killed us last night while Culver watched FROM THEIR BENCH! Adding into that, we gave Wiggins for DLo and our pick...conveyed last summer. Players are a wash imo, but hey we don't need that pick! :banghead:

Why should I root for them anymore? :nonono:


When did the Warriors become a winner after 20 years of sucking? NEW OWERSHIP.

The right owners who are willing to spend to WIN make the difference.

Trust me....Sac sucks because of Vivek. Wolves suck because of their ownership.

Wolves could have jimmy Butler, KAT, Wiggins, Kuminga and others...and they would be good.

The DLO trade set them back years....not because of the first round pick...but because DLO is AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#184 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:21 pm

Since blowing a string of games after their start, the wolves are looking good again. Their defense is fine with beverly, vanderbilt, and edwards who is a beast on the ball and still learning to play the game. They have a legit big 3 on offense as well. They could use some upgrades on the bench but this core never really got to play together last year and beverly has been a nice addition. The amount of hate Edwards gets for efficiency on this board is ridiculous. Watch the guy play a few games and you can see why he will be a star. Hes not close to peaking offensively and likely will be among the league leaders in scoring for the next decade. Hes a rare type than get completely take over games and quarters and has physical traits only very few players have. Being able to completely go off offensively no matyer what the defense does is an important trait for star players, and hes got that. Sometimes this board seems like it should just notes every players rank on efficiency and TO rate and call it a day. Theres so much more to the game and being a star player. Future is bright in Minny w Edwards imo, KAT needs to keep his energy and body language consistent and they are good to go.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#185 » by AbeVigodaLive » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:32 pm

The team is still sub-.500... after the easiest part of its schedule. The team is still built on a house of cards with its bigs. It still has D. Russell as a key cog. And it's still the worst franchise in NBA history...

But if they win tomorrow... they'll have their second 5-game winning streak in 17 years.

And I believe Towns + Russell are now 21 - 17 when both are playing. That's not great, unless you've been watching the Timberwolves for the better part of 32 years.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#186 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:35 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:The team is still sub-.500... after the easiest part of its schedule. The team is still built on a house of cards with its bigs. It still has D. Russell as a key cog. And it's still the worst franchise in NBA history...

But if they win tomorrow... they'll have their second 5-game winning streak in 17 years.

And I believe Towns + Russell are now 21 - 17 when both are playing. That's not great, unless you've been watching the Timberwolves for the better part of 32 years.

imagine all the players who have won more games than them in the last 20 years. there might be players with more than them over even the last 32 years. I wonder if tim and kobe and bron have more than the timberwolves? or even stockton
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#187 » by AbeVigodaLive » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:40 pm

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:The team is still sub-.500... after the easiest part of its schedule. The team is still built on a house of cards with its bigs. It still has D. Russell as a key cog. And it's still the worst franchise in NBA history...

But if they win tomorrow... they'll have their second 5-game winning streak in 17 years.

And I believe Towns + Russell are now 21 - 17 when both are playing. That's not great, unless you've been watching the Timberwolves for the better part of 32 years.

imagine all the players who have won more games than them in the last 20 years. there might be players with more than them over even the last 32 years. I wonder if tim and kobe and bron have more than the timberwolves? or even stockton



I believe the Wolves have 1,028 wins as a franchise since 1989.

Tim Duncan had 1,158 wins.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#188 » by Edrees » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:40 pm

celtics543 wrote:
jokeboy86 wrote:Who's a worst franchise, the Detroit Lions or Minnesota Timberwolves?


Definitely the Lions. At least Minnesota had the KG years where they got to the conference finals. Plus football has tons of parity as far as playoff teams, tough to be a dynasty in a league with a hard cap. You'd think the Lions would have been good at least once or twice in the last 50 years.


Weren't they a playoff team a few times in the last 15 years? That's more than the wolves who only made it once since KG left. and it's easier to make it in basketball. Wolves were better in the early 2000s, but since like 2007, it's been the lions who have been by far better.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#189 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:44 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:The team is still sub-.500... after the easiest part of its schedule. The team is still built on a house of cards with its bigs. It still has D. Russell as a key cog. And it's still the worst franchise in NBA history...

But if they win tomorrow... they'll have their second 5-game winning streak in 17 years.

And I believe Towns + Russell are now 21 - 17 when both are playing. That's not great, unless you've been watching the Timberwolves for the better part of 32 years.

imagine all the players who have won more games than them in the last 20 years. there might be players with more than them over even the last 32 years. I wonder if tim and kobe and bron have more than the timberwolves? or even stockton



I believe the Wolves have 1,028 wins as a franchise since 1989.

Tim Duncan had 1,158 wins.

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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#190 » by Richard4444 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:47 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:The team is still sub-.500... after the easiest part of its schedule. The team is still built on a house of cards with its bigs. It still has D. Russell as a key cog. And it's still the worst franchise in NBA history...

But if they win tomorrow... they'll have their second 5-game winning streak in 17 years.

And I believe Towns + Russell are now 21 - 17 when both are playing. That's not great, unless you've been watching the Timberwolves for the better part of 32 years.


For a rebuilding team, to have a 21/17 record is pretty solid. Towns and Dlo are young guys. Edward is improving. They should get into play-in.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#191 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:28 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:
Quentin wrote:Year after year, they are terrible. Not only is their roster continually a trainwreck of fit, they never get love from the refs. It's always an uphill battle with this team.

My latest is how we drafted Jarrett Culver #6 after trading up from #11. I wanted to stay put and draft Brandon Clarke. Well, Clarke killed us last night while Culver watched FROM THEIR BENCH! Adding into that, we gave Wiggins for DLo and our pick...conveyed last summer. Players are a wash imo, but hey we don't need that pick! :banghead:

Why should I root for them anymore? :nonono:


When did the Warriors become a winner after 20 years of sucking? NEW OWERSHIP.

The right owners who are willing to spend to WIN make the difference.

Trust me....Sac sucks because of Vivek. Wolves suck because of their ownership.

Wolves could have jimmy Butler, KAT, Wiggins, Kuminga and others...and they would be good.

The DLO trade set them back years....not because of the first round pick...but because DLO is AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.


Correct me if im wrong but haven’t the Bulls ownership stayed the same? They won 6 championship and then became a mess. Its not just ownership, its getting talented players.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#192 » by life_saver » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:01 pm

Surprisingly, Wolves problem so far this season has been more on offense rather than defense..DLo and Beasley have struggled to get their jumper going and both are shooting much below their career averages. Rebounding is still a major issue but they still have 7th best defensive rating despite being by far the worst defensive rebounding team. Upcoming 10-15 game stretch is much harder and it's going to be a good test to assess true level of this team.
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Post#193 » by life_saver » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:03 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:
Quentin wrote:Year after year, they are terrible. Not only is their roster continually a trainwreck of fit, they never get love from the refs. It's always an uphill battle with this team.

My latest is how we drafted Jarrett Culver #6 after trading up from #11. I wanted to stay put and draft Brandon Clarke. Well, Clarke killed us last night while Culver watched FROM THEIR BENCH! Adding into that, we gave Wiggins for DLo and our pick...conveyed last summer. Players are a wash imo, but hey we don't need that pick! :banghead:

Why should I root for them anymore? :nonono:


When did the Warriors become a winner after 20 years of sucking? NEW OWERSHIP.

The right owners who are willing to spend to WIN make the difference.

Trust me....Sac sucks because of Vivek. Wolves suck because of their ownership.

Wolves could have jimmy Butler, KAT, Wiggins, Kuminga and others...and they would be good.

The DLO trade set them back years....not because of the first round pick...but because DLO is AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.


Correct me if im wrong but haven’t the Bulls ownership stayed the same? They won 6 championship and then became a mess. Its not just ownership, its getting talented players.

ownership is always easy scapegoat. Owners are much more important in European soccer where you don't have salary caps but in American sports where all the leagues have salary caps, owner is less important imo..sometimes, you can have the best owner but might still suck just due to bad luck. Owner can only do so much
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#194 » by AbeVigodaLive » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:27 pm

life_saver wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:
When did the Warriors become a winner after 20 years of sucking? NEW OWERSHIP.

The right owners who are willing to spend to WIN make the difference.

Trust me....Sac sucks because of Vivek. Wolves suck because of their ownership.

Wolves could have jimmy Butler, KAT, Wiggins, Kuminga and others...and they would be good.

The DLO trade set them back years....not because of the first round pick...but because DLO is AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.


Correct me if im wrong but haven’t the Bulls ownership stayed the same? They won 6 championship and then became a mess. Its not just ownership, its getting talented players.

ownership is always easy scapegoat. Owners are much more important in European soccer where you don't have salary caps but in American sports where all the leagues have salary caps, owner is less important imo..sometimes, you can have the best owner but might still suck just due to bad luck. Owner can only do so much



But sometimes... owners can do very dumb things to set franchises back.

- They can be part of the Joe Smith under-the-table contract signing... costing the Timberwolves several 1st rd picks in Garnett's prime.
- They can hire David Kahn and Kurt Rambis. And Ryan Saunders and Randy Wittman.
- They can trade draft picks for cash considerations.
- They can make silly promises to young, mercurial players like "I'll give you $150M if you promise to try harder."
- They can rip the franchise's only HOF player, Kevin Garnett,for "tanking" after trading him to Boston... only one year after Taylor's franchise asked Mark Madsen to shoot 7 three pointers in OT of game 82... so the Wolves could get an extra ping pong ball. And you know what they did with that extra draft slot? Yep. Traded it for cash considerations.

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