Should Fred Van Vleet be an all-star?

[phanman]

I think Jrue/FVV/Beal all make it, personally.

Mathematically, doesn't seem possible with Trae most likely a starter and Harden, LaVine and DDR essentially locks.

I think they’ll make Demar eligible at forward too, since technically he plays it quite a bit.

Would be a travesty if he got in as a guard imo. He has started alongside 2 guards since being traded from Toronto.

I think the eligibility just allows him to get in as a starter. He isn't beating out Giannis, KD and Embiid haha

[srhcan]

Should not

[everdiso]

Fred is the perfect example of a guy who you should sell high on. He's completely capped out, and the stats will regress when the Raps get their guys back. Simmons is a distressed asset who's a blue chip level talent. His ceiling is much higher than Freds.

In reality, Fred is a player that will just not quit improving year after year, and is blossoming into an elite stud at 27 just like his mentor Lowry did.

Selling now that he's playing way above his contract and is matching the best in the league is a terrible idea, just like it would have been a terrible idea to trade Lowry at the same age (thank you Knicks!!!).

Naw, it would be more like selling high on Mike James after 05-06.

Ah I see now you're trolling. You got me.

[Alfred]

As a first option with FVV this year they are a lottery team, just like last year. What has he done without Kawhi/Gasol/Ibaka/Lowry?

Fred “The Winner” VanVleet leading his team to a winning record and the 7th seed in the East. Wow!

[payton2kemp]

As a first option with FVV this year they are a lottery team, just like last year. What has he done without Kawhi/Gasol/Ibaka/Lowry?

Fred “The Winner” VanVleet leading his team to a winning record and the 7th seed in the East. Wow!

You guys beat the clippers without George/Kawhi, Warriors without Curry/Green, Bucks without Giannis, Spurs without Murray, and few other easy wins lol.

Plus Siakam is more deserving than FVV anyways. He's the only all star of the team, and your best player!!

[Alfred]

As a first option with FVV this year they are a lottery team, just like last year. What has he done without Kawhi/Gasol/Ibaka/Lowry?

Fred “The Winner” VanVleet leading his team to a winning record and the 7th seed in the East. Wow!

You guys beat the clippers without George/Kawhi, Warriors without Curry/Green, Bucks without Giannis, Spurs without Murray, and few other easy wins lol.

The Raptors, a team famously unaffected by injury and illness this season.

[Spicy P]

As a first option with FVV this year they are a lottery team, just like last year. What has he done without Kawhi/Gasol/Ibaka/Lowry?

Fred “The Winner” VanVleet leading his team to a winning record and the 7th seed in the East. Wow!

You guys beat the clippers without George/Kawhi, Warriors without Curry/Green, Bucks without Giannis, Spurs without Murray, and few other easy wins lol.

Plus Siakam is more deserving than FVV anyways. He's the only all star of the team, and your best player!!

Thats great. Raptors didn’t have OG and Pascal who are two of their three players for nearly half the season.

[Plain Old Josh]

second in the nba in +- on/off as well.

That's crazy. But Fred is playing very well, and his teams bench is a dumpster fire. So it makes sense that his on/off spilts are really good. I couldn't find the updated leaderboard, but this chart was from 3 days ago.



I expect his +- numbers to come down quite a bit now that Nick Nurse has accepted that his backup PG's suck. Last night, the Raptors backup PG's played 0 minutes. They just decided to let Barnes and Siakam run the offense whenever VanVleet rested. That seems like the correct decision.

[srhcan]

second in the nba in +- on/off as well.

That's crazy. But Fred is playing very well, and his teams bench is a dumpster fire. So it makes sense that his on/off spilts are really good. I couldn't find the updated leaderboard, but this chart was from 3 days ago.



I expect his +- numbers to come down quite a bit now that Nick Nurse has accepted that his backup PG's suck. Last night, the Raptors backup PG's played 0 minutes. They just decided to let Barnes and Siakam run the offense whenever VanVleet rested. That seems like the correct decision.

Barnes should be the backup PG anyway.

[Knicks Byke]

Vred Fan Fleet.

[YogurtProducer]

And have A LOT of tough games coming up if you bothered to look ahead on the schedule.

Lmaooo what do their future games have to do with their current record???? You claim they are "WAY too bad", even though they're a .500 team despite being one of the most injury depleted teams in the league this season.

Every fricken team is depleted!!

Games you’ve won without the oppositions best player.

- Spurs without Murray
- Knicks without Randle
- Clippers without Kawhi/PG
- Warriors without Curry/Green
- Bucks without Giannis
- Sixers without Embiid

I’m not saying Raptors are a bad team or they haven’t had covid issues but so has everyone. That excuse doesn’t fly anymore.

So do the losses we got when Siakam was out don't count either? Please tell me a team that has missed more games to important players than TO?

VanVleet - 3 missed games
Trent - 3 missed games
OG - 15 missed games
Siakam - 13 missed games
Barnes - 5 missed games

Yuta - 21 missed games
Precious - 9 missed games
Birch - 16 missed games
Boucher - 2 missed games

To add to that - SIakam/OG have played 7 games together all year.

Svi Mykhaliuk who has been HORRIBLE has played in 33 games at 18mpg out of pure necessity, and Banton who is a G-League level player has played in 31 at 12mpg. Flynn has been G-League level as well and plays 9mpg in 25 games. THis is not even getting into the game we played where 4 g-league callups met the team 90 minutes before tip-off and Chris Boucher was our #1 option.

[Patsfan1081]

We’re really using on/off to make a case for someone? He plays more minutes than anyone in the league……He’s having a good season but lets be realistic, unless you’re a young developing player putting up those stats or you’re on the top team in the conference youre not getting recognized for a thirty plus game sample of good play when you’re not a established star.

[Patsfan1081]

Lmaooo what do their future games have to do with their current record???? You claim they are "WAY too bad", even though they're a .500 team despite being one of the most injury depleted teams in the league this season.

Every fricken team is depleted!!

Games you’ve won without the oppositions best player.

- Spurs without Murray
- Knicks without Randle
- Clippers without Kawhi/PG
- Warriors without Curry/Green
- Bucks without Giannis
- Sixers without Embiid

I’m not saying Raptors are a bad team or they haven’t had covid issues but so has everyone. That excuse doesn’t fly anymore.

So do the losses we got when Siakam was out don't count either? Please tell me a team that has missed more games to important players than TO?

VanVleet - 3 missed games
Trent - 3 missed games
OG - 15 missed games
Siakam - 13 missed games
Barnes - 5 missed games

Yuta - 21 missed games
Precious - 9 missed games
Birch - 16 missed games
Boucher - 2 missed games

To add to that - SIakam/OG have played 7 games together all year.

Svi Mykhaliuk who has been HORRIBLE has played in 33 games at 18mpg out of pure necessity, and Banton who is a G-League level player has played in 31 at 12mpg. Flynn has been G-League level as well and plays 9mpg in 25 games. THis is not even getting into the game we played where 4 g-league callups met the team 90 minutes before tip-off and Chris Boucher was our #1 option.

Every team this season has seen injury problems, honestly this season should have an asterisk. That being said youre comparing Siakam to Embiid, Giannis, Kawhi…..and pointingout things like Boucher has missed 2 games…..

[YogurtProducer]

based on some of the posting on the first page you would think that the Raptors were not a .500 team and nearing on the 7th seed

Yes he is playing at an All Star level

East All Stars look something like

KD
Harden
Giannis
Embiid
LaVine

Starting 5

Backups

Allen
Jimmy
LaMelo
Tatum
Freddy
Trae
DeRozan

Maybe Beal knocks Freddy out, if Beal keeps up his level of play and Wiz are still up on Raps but Fred has been better than Beal this year

Garland over FVV all day long in that scenario.

All day long?

VanVleet - 21/5/7 1.6spg 0.6bpg 2.7TO - 58TS%
Garland - 20/3/7 1.3spg 0.1bpg 3.7TO 58TS%

IDK what Garlands defence is like, but I doubt better than FVV.

So how is it all day long?

[YogurtProducer]

Every fricken team is depleted!!

Games you’ve won without the oppositions best player.

- Spurs without Murray
- Knicks without Randle
- Clippers without Kawhi/PG
- Warriors without Curry/Green
- Bucks without Giannis
- Sixers without Embiid

I’m not saying Raptors are a bad team or they haven’t had covid issues but so has everyone. That excuse doesn’t fly anymore.

So do the losses we got when Siakam was out don't count either? Please tell me a team that has missed more games to important players than TO?

VanVleet - 3 missed games
Trent - 3 missed games
OG - 15 missed games
Siakam - 13 missed games
Barnes - 5 missed games

Yuta - 21 missed games
Precious - 9 missed games
Birch - 16 missed games
Boucher - 2 missed games

To add to that - SIakam/OG have played 7 games together all year.

Svi Mykhaliuk who has been HORRIBLE has played in 33 games at 18mpg out of pure necessity, and Banton who is a G-League level player has played in 31 at 12mpg. Flynn has been G-League level as well and plays 9mpg in 25 games. THis is not even getting into the game we played where 4 g-league callups met the team 90 minutes before tip-off and Chris Boucher was our #1 option.

Every team this season has seen injury problems, honestly this season should have an asterisk. That being said youre comparing Siakam to Embiid, Giannis, Kawhi…..and pointingout things like Boucher has missed 2 games…..

Bruh, you brought up Julius Randle who is having a considerably worse season than Siakam is.

And I know every team has had guys missed games, but again, can you think of 1 who has had as many guys miss as many games? Up until a week ago the Raptors had been missing at least 2 players in the top 7-8 guys in all but like 3 games all season.

So yes, every team has had injuries - but that can be true and it can also be true that Toronto has been more depleted than others.

[Jakay]

VanVleet - 21/5/7 1.6spg 0.6bpg 2.7TO - 58TS%
Garland - 20/3/7 43.3spg 0.1bpg 3.7TO 58TS%

IDK what Garlands defence is like, but I doubt better than FVV.

So how is it all day long?

I would take 43 steals a game all day long. That's gonna generate a lot of extra looks.

[JujitsuFlip]

VanVleet - 21/5/7 1.6spg 0.6bpg 2.7TO - 58TS%
Garland - 20/3/7 43.3spg 0.1bpg 3.7TO 58TS%

IDK what Garlands defence is like, but I doubt better than FVV.

So how is it all day long?

I would take 43 steals a game all day long. That's gonna generate a lot of extra looks.

Exactly, I was like the 43 steals per game is why it's all day haha

[YogurtProducer]

VanVleet - 21/5/7 1.6spg 0.6bpg 2.7TO - 58TS%
Garland - 20/3/7 1.3spg 0.1bpg 3.7TO 58TS%

IDK what Garlands defence is like, but I doubt better than FVV.

So how is it all day long?

I would take 43 steals a game all day long. That's gonna generate a lot of extra looks.

no idea what happened there

[Duffman100]

VanVleet - 21/5/7 1.6spg 0.6bpg 2.7TO - 58TS%
Garland - 20/3/7 43.3spg 0.1bpg 3.7TO 58TS%

IDK what Garlands defence is like, but I doubt better than FVV.

So how is it all day long?

I would take 43 steals a game all day long. That's gonna generate a lot of extra looks.

I think someone could average like 1 points, 1 rebound and 1 assist, but 43 steals per game and be the MVP. I wish that would happen.

[lobosloboslobos]

from an SI article today:

Fred Van Vleet is shooting 50% on catch-and-shoot three-pointers this season, the best in the league by a significant margin. Even sharpshooters like Steph Curry and Duncan Robinson can't come close to that number, nailing 39.6% and 34.6% of their catch-and-shoot three-pointers, respectively.