Bradley Beal - Part IV

[ProcessDoctor]

Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Morey will be enamored with him for sure. It's just hard to do a 2-team deal between us (I doubt y'all would want Tobias) and it's still unclear exactly what Beal wants. The last sentence about wanting to win and it being in DC makes me think he wants to take the money and stay then hope for the best.

The structure of a Beal to Philly deal would be:

Beal to Philly
Harris to LA
Westbrook to DC (where he would be bought out)

Some modest filler is necessary to make the salaries match. Then it boils down to the incentives. Philly really only has the #23 pick to trade, and that's not enough. The Wizards would demand Maxey and that's where the talks probably stall. Also, the Philly #23 pick is only in play if Beal agrees to opt in by Draft Day.

The Wizards would ask for the Lakers 2027 1st as incentive to do the Harris for Westbrook swap.

What about Thybulle + Lakers 2027?

Beal to Philly
Harris + KCP to LA
Westbrook + Thybulle + Lakers 2027 to DC

[nate33]

Morey will be enamored with him for sure. It's just hard to do a 2-team deal between us (I doubt y'all would want Tobias) and it's still unclear exactly what Beal wants. The last sentence about wanting to win and it being in DC makes me think he wants to take the money and stay then hope for the best.

The structure of a Beal to Philly deal would be:

Beal to Philly
Harris to LA
Westbrook to DC (where he would be bought out)

Some modest filler is necessary to make the salaries match. Then it boils down to the incentives. Philly really only has the #23 pick to trade, and that's not enough. The Wizards would demand Maxey and that's where the talks probably stall. Also, the Philly #23 pick is only in play if Beal agrees to opt in by Draft Day.

The Wizards would ask for the Lakers 2027 1st as incentive to do the Harris for Westbrook swap.

What about Thybulle + Lakers 2027?

Beal to Philly
Harris + KCP to LA
Westbrook + Thybulle + Lakers 2027 to DC

Not nearly enough. Thybulle has one year left on his deal before being a market-cost player. That 2027 pick from the Lakers barely covers the expense of eating Westbrook's salary. Basically, the Wizards are getting virtually nothing for Beal in this transaction. And whatever they do get is mostly coming from LA.

[ProcessDoctor]

The structure of a Beal to Philly deal would be:

Beal to Philly
Harris to LA
Westbrook to DC (where he would be bought out)

Some modest filler is necessary to make the salaries match. Then it boils down to the incentives. Philly really only has the #23 pick to trade, and that's not enough. The Wizards would demand Maxey and that's where the talks probably stall. Also, the Philly #23 pick is only in play if Beal agrees to opt in by Draft Day.

The Wizards would ask for the Lakers 2027 1st as incentive to do the Harris for Westbrook swap.

What about Thybulle + Lakers 2027?

Beal to Philly
Harris + KCP to LA
Westbrook + Thybulle + Lakers 2027 to DC

Not nearly enough. Thybulle has one year left on his deal before being a market-cost player. That 2027 pick from the Lakers barely covers the expense of eating Westbrook's salary. Basically, the Wizards are getting virtually nothing for Beal in this transaction. And whatever they do get is mostly coming from LA.

I see. What do you (and other Wiz fans) think Beal is going to do? There have been a lot of mixed signals here.

[Hal14]

Nice - maybe gone? Hopefully? Fingers and toes crossed?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267324/Bradley-Beal-Im-Going-To-Be-Where-I-Feel-I-Can-Win

Hard to figure out which team meets the "winning" criteria, and could pay him.
Not us, unless a home run in the draft.

Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Or a player Beal is enamored with.

Like his lifelong best friend Jayson Tatum.

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The Celtics check the "winning" box too - they're on the verge of winning the title.

[nate33]

What about Thybulle + Lakers 2027?

Beal to Philly
Harris + KCP to LA
Westbrook + Thybulle + Lakers 2027 to DC

Not nearly enough. Thybulle has one year left on his deal before being a market-cost player. That 2027 pick from the Lakers barely covers the expense of eating Westbrook's salary. Basically, the Wizards are getting virtually nothing for Beal in this transaction. And whatever they do get is mostly coming from LA.

I see. What do you (and other Wiz fans) think Beal is going to do? There have been a lot of mixed signals here.

I think he'll take the money. He is going to sign a new deal. If a S&T can be worked out this summer to a handful of teams that interest him, he might push for it; but if the return for the Wizards is unsatisfactory, they'll just keep Beal and wait until the stars align to facilitate a trade down the road.

One thing to keep in mind here is that the Wizards are operating right around the cap level this summer. If they let Beal walk, they'll have $32M to spend in free agency. So Beal walking might actually be better than a crappy S&T deal involving a lot of bad salary filler plus a late pick or two. Basically, there's a floor on how bad of a S&T deal the Wizards will be willing to accept.

[ProcessDoctor]

Not nearly enough. Thybulle has one year left on his deal before being a market-cost player. That 2027 pick from the Lakers barely covers the expense of eating Westbrook's salary. Basically, the Wizards are getting virtually nothing for Beal in this transaction. And whatever they do get is mostly coming from LA.

I see. What do you (and other Wiz fans) think Beal is going to do? There have been a lot of mixed signals here.

I think he'll take the money. He is going to sign a new deal. If a S&T can be worked out this summer to a handful of teams that interest him, he might push for it; but if the return for the Wizards is unsatisfactory, they'll just keep Beal and wait until the stars align to facilitate a trade down the road.

One thing to keep in mind here is that the Wizards are operating right around the cap level this summer. If they let Beal walk, they'll have $32M to spend in free agency. So Beal walking might actually be better than a crappy S&T deal involving a lot of bad salary filler plus a late pick or two. Basically, there's a floor on how bad of a S&T deal the Wizards will be willing to accept.

That's a tough situation. I'm curious to see how both sides play it.

[Frichuela]

In any case, reading between the lines it seems clear Beal wants to stay:

“I know what my decision will be based off of, and that’s gonna be where I feel like I can win. That’s going to be my decision,” Beal said. “If I feel like I can win in DC, that’s what I’m gonna do. I want people to respect that."

So he is effectively saying I may delude myself thinking I can win in DC and that's all folks

[doclinkin]

Whatever happens, it looks highly unlikely that he will agree to opt in to facilitate a S&T; which means it's impossible to trade him for any picks in this draft.

Could they get future picks? The salaries have to basically match, right or come close I would assume.

Yes. Future picks are an option. But the 2022 draft will have already taken place by the time we sign Beal.

I wouldn't count Tommy out. Consider that last year's 5 team supertrade was a draft day trade that could not be finalized until Free Agency started. You have an agreement in principle on a sign and trade, contingent on all the other issues, and have the team(s) you are dealing with make the selections that you agree to. Then wait to sign the deal. It is in the interests of all parties to make it work out at that point. You just have to be patient and wait a few days.

[doclinkin]

In any case, reading between the lines it seems clear Beal wants to stay:

“I know what my decision will be based off of, and that’s gonna be where I feel like I can win. That’s going to be my decision,” Beal said. “If I feel like I can win in DC, that’s what I’m gonna do. I want people to respect that."

So he is effectively saying I may delude myself thinking I can win in DC and that's all folks

What it means is Beal will be calling the shots on draft day. To pick the players he thinks will help him win, or to trade the picks for a guy he likes.

[Frichuela]

In any case, reading between the lines it seems clear Beal wants to stay:

“I know what my decision will be based off of, and that’s gonna be where I feel like I can win. That’s going to be my decision,” Beal said. “If I feel like I can win in DC, that’s what I’m gonna do. I want people to respect that."

So he is effectively saying I may delude myself thinking I can win in DC and that's all folks

What it means is Beal will be calling the shots on draft day. To pick the players he thinks will help him win, or to trade the picks for a guy he likes.

100%. Let's not forget that he is a de facto co-GM...

[Jay81]

i cant imagine money is an issue for Brad. at age 28...he has made so much already and will continue to make an amazing amount of money. So really at his point of career...he should be focused on winning/deep playoff runs...even with another team that cant sign him for as much as Washington. He really dosent need that extra chuck of change. Hopefully he will not be a Wizard this season...

can anytime just outright sign him or will it require a sign and trade?

[nate33]

In any case, reading between the lines it seems clear Beal wants to stay:

“I know what my decision will be based off of, and that’s gonna be where I feel like I can win. That’s going to be my decision,” Beal said. “If I feel like I can win in DC, that’s what I’m gonna do. I want people to respect that."

So he is effectively saying I may delude myself thinking I can win in DC and that's all folks

What it means is Beal will be calling the shots on draft day. To pick the players he thinks will help him win, or to trade the picks for a guy he likes.

100%. Let's not forget that he is a de facto co-GM...

People keep saying this, but Sheppard has not operated this way. Sheppard does Beal the courtesy of running major moves past him, but it's not clear whether Beal really has the power to stop them.

Do you think Beal supported Wall for Westbrook? i.e. Trading his now healthy backcourt mate for a guy Houston was trying to dump?

Do you think Beal supported Westbrook for Kuzma + KCP + Holiday? i.e. trading an almost All-Star for a few role players?

Do you think Beal supported us keeping our pick each of the last three seasons rather than trade them for veteran help?

[nate33]

i cant imagine money is an issue for Brad. at age 28...he has made so much already and will continue to make an amazing amount of money. So really at his point of career...he should be focused on winning/deep playoff runs...even with another team that cant sign him for as much as Washington. He really dosent need that extra chuck of change. Hopefully he will not be a Wizard this season...

can anytime just outright sign him or will it require a sign and trade?

Anyone can sign him, but nobody has the cap room to pay him $41M except San Antonio. A couple of other teams (Detroit, Orlando) could probably generate that cap room with some minor trades. Memphis would need a couple of bigger trades, but they have the assets to do it.

[9 and 20]

If Memphis can pay him, he should just go there. He can repeat his line about 'best backourt in the league' from there. It might be true at that point, though, because Ja Morant is that dude.

If we get cap space, I'm 100% sure we're signing Ian Mahinmi again. Maybe we'll try to trade for the wrong Brooks again too because that was fun.

[payitforward]

What it means is Beal will be calling the shots on draft day. To pick the players he thinks will help him win, or to trade the picks for a guy he likes.

100%. Let's not forget that he is a de facto co-GM...

People keep saying this, but Sheppard has not operated this way. Sheppard does Beal the courtesy of running major moves past him, but it's not clear whether Beal really has the power to stop them.

Do you think Beal supported Wall for Westbrook? i.e. Trading his now healthy backcourt mate for a guy Houston was trying to dump?

Do you think Beal supported Westbrook for Kuzma + KCP + Holiday? i.e. trading an almost All-Star for a few role players?

Do you think Beal supported us keeping our pick each of the last three seasons rather than trade them for veteran help?

Agree 100%. Beal is a smart young man. He is perfectly aware that he doesn't have the skills/experience to be a GM at this point in his life.

He makes his opinions known, that's seems obvious. But I'm sure he listens too.

Spoiler:

Above all, & this should be obvious, he hasn't had the kinds of opportunities we have had on this Board to spend invaluable time educating ourselves to the point where any one of us could quickly build a winner. That is, I mean, I could; obviously. Don't know about you....

[lastemp3ror]

If Beal leaves for nothing, a normal team owner (hence not Leonsis) would fire Sheppard, right? Not sure how the GM's head wouldn't roll if your best asset leaves for nothing in return.

[FAH1223]

If Beal leaves for nothing, a normal team owner (hence not Leonsis) would fire Sheppard, right? Not sure how the GM's head wouldn't roll if your best asset leaves for nothing in return.

It’s funny cause Ted just gave Tommy an extension in November.

[WallToWall]

Beal has been pretty up front with management, it seems. Unless that changes, I’d expect Beal to have a talk with TS when Beal thinks the team will not be able to win. TS will get to work to find a good trade, something he is very good at doing.

Question: from the Wizards perspective, when is the best time for Beal to sign the offer on the table? Would it be before or after free agency ends , or some other time? At what point would the wizards be hampered by having a huge deal on the books?


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[SUPERBALLMAN]

Hilarious

It's out of his control...

Well, if it's all about winning, he's definitely not choosing The Wizards.

RealGM Wiretap
Bradley Beal: I'm Going To Be Where I Feel I Can Win
JUN 10, 2022 10:26 AM


Bradley Beal is set to enter free agency in just a few weeks. Beal admitted that there's anxiety that comes with that part of his career journey.

“Obviously, I consider my family. What do they wanna do? Where do they wanna live? What are they comfortable with?” Beal said. “And, obviously, the team. So, it is surreal in a lot of ways to be in the position I am in. It is crazy numbers. It is what it is. It’s uncontrollable. It’s out of my control. But I’m blessed to be here. Again, I don’t shy away from that. I take it on with a full front and I have to do what’s best for me. There is a little anxiety because I have to make the decision and time is counting down. We’re in June now. But it’s fun to be in this position.”

Beal said his decision to re-sign with the Washington Wizards or leave the only franchise he's known will come down to winning.

“I know what my decision will be based off of, and that’s gonna be where I feel like I can win. That’s going to be my decision,” Beal said. “If I feel like I can win in DC, that’s what I’m gonna do. I want people to respect that."

TAYLOR ROOKS/BLEACHER REPORT

[pcbothwel]

Hilarious

It's out of his control...

Well, if it's all about winning, he's definitely not choosing The Wizards.

RealGM Wiretap
Bradley Beal: I'm Going To Be Where I Feel I Can Win
JUN 10, 2022 10:26 AM


Bradley Beal is set to enter free agency in just a few weeks. Beal admitted that there's anxiety that comes with that part of his career journey.

“Obviously, I consider my family. What do they wanna do? Where do they wanna live? What are they comfortable with?” Beal said. “And, obviously, the team. So, it is surreal in a lot of ways to be in the position I am in. It is crazy numbers. It is what it is. It’s uncontrollable. It’s out of my control. But I’m blessed to be here. Again, I don’t shy away from that. I take it on with a full front and I have to do what’s best for me. There is a little anxiety because I have to make the decision and time is counting down. We’re in June now. But it’s fun to be in this position.”

Beal said his decision to re-sign with the Washington Wizards or leave the only franchise he's known will come down to winning.

“I know what my decision will be based off of, and that’s gonna be where I feel like I can win. That’s going to be my decision,” Beal said. “If I feel like I can win in DC, that’s what I’m gonna do. I want people to respect that."

TAYLOR ROOKS/BLEACHER REPORT

I think he is referring to the amount of money he can get.
“It’s crazy money. It is what it is. It’s out of my control.”

I think he stays, but making it clear that if he does it’s not just the money. He believes the time is going to contend-ish. True or not.


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