PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz

[Ma10]

Looking forward on playing this in 2k!

[thebuzzardman]

Chanel should post a long victory essay as he's the real winner over all these unholy forum alliances

Clyde style would take the essay personally and tell him to stop posting thinking everyone will agree with him

Well, Clyde had a point that Chanel kind of wore out the RJ thing.

He was like long form Jimmit at one point.

But Chanel has been harping on the poor fit of Randle and RJ for a while now.

That deserves the essay, regardless of what anyone else says.

[F N 11]

If I’m Obi I fire Leon Rose son and do what’s best for my career. Do not put Thibs and 0 balls CAA in charge of your career.

[DOT]

i see rj best case scenario being harrison barnes

I think he's a bit better than that

Like, when I say Middleton, I mean in terms of statistical impact. 20/5/4 on solid efficiency as a second/third option. He's a better driver than Middleton, but not as good of a shooter. So while Middleton does have that 40% 3pt shot and elite FT shooting, his TS is still only about a point above average, which is what I think RJ can get to in his prime so long as he's not a first option

When you look at Barnes, he really hasn't ever had the playmaking RJ has, even though it's not great it's still there, so that'd be my problem with that comp

In any event, I think he's good enough to keep, but not good enough to be a holdup. I'd prefer him to be the guy we keep if we trade away one of him or Randle, but so long as it's not him plus all our other assets, I'm fine with it.

[thebuzzardman]

I turned it off at halftime. Need my beauty rest lol

Good to see Reddish having 2 good games in a row. He just needs to be consistent, he has time the rest of the year to do so, but I'm still standing by my prior statements until he shows more than just flashes. Also, he's still out of position on defense more often than not, which is a big problem and if he would fix that, he'd be one of the best wing defenders in the league

RJ just needs to be better, plain and simple. I can forgive him having a bad game or 2 every once in a while, but he needs to be consistently good outside of them, which he still really hasn't been. I'm more lenient with him than Cam because he's shown more consistency in his career and he's also like a year younger, but similar situation. Year 4, need to see more

Honestly though, this team is just treading water until we trade for a star. And if we can't by this offseason, the window has passed, and we honestly should just blow it up. We'd be in a fantastic position to do so, since we already have a good amount of excess picks, but we won't. We need top tier talent, and we don't have that. None of our current players are it, and none of them have the potential to be it. And they all kind of don't fit with each other anyways. So I'm kind of disinterested in the team until we make a move, but because Leon kinda sucks, I'm not expecting anything

Oh, and fire Thibs too. He's not the sole problem, but he is a problem.

He gave up a ton of 3's this game.

He's still a far better defender than Randle or RJ. Fournier, obviously it's no contest.

[E-Balla]

You'd think it was 2006 as negative as this board is.

How can anyone be this consistently negative about a team that's the 8th youngest team in the league (we're tied for 5th with the Pacers in having the most players under 25 with over 100 minutes despite Grimes' injury limiting his PT), is around .500, will probably have 7 first round picks in the next 3 drafts, has a history of finding steals in the first outside of the lottery, and that finally seems to be giving young players a consistent organizational presence and room to grow as players?

This is literally what the board begged for for the first decade I was on here, now we have a team that's building the right way through the draft and young players and y'all are mad as **** about it. I don't know why everyone is so pressed about blowing up a team built around a 26 year old PG, a 22 year old SG, a 28 year old PF (ok Randle does need to go - but y'all been dragging it for years and hated him the whole time me and Melo were his only defenders when he was signed), and 6 young ass role players with a few vets sprinkled in to teach the young kids how to be professionals.

This is what rebuilding looks like. Y'all be patient. I'd be mad as hell if we blew what we have up to be worse versions of OKC. Detroit is headed to Kings status how about we avoid that outcome.

[DOT]

You'd think it was 2006 as negative as this board is.

How can anyone be this consistently negative about a team that's the 8th youngest team in the league (we're tied for 5th with the Pacers in having the most players under 25 with over 100 minutes despite Grimes' injury limiting his PT), is around .500, will probably have 7 first round picks in the next 3 drafts, has a history of finding steals in the first outside of the lottery, and that finally seems to be giving young players a consistent organizational presence and room to grow as players?

This is literally what the board begged for for the first decade I was on here, now we have a team that's building the right way through the draft and young players and y'all are mad as **** about it. I don't know why everyone is so pressed about blowing up a team built around a 26 year old PG, a 22 year old SG, a 28 year old PF (ok Randle does need to go - but y'all been dragging it for years and hated him the whole time me and Melo were his only defenders when he was signed), and 6 young ass role players with a few vets sprinkled in to teach the young kids how to be professionals.

This is what rebuilding looks like. Y'all be patient. I'd be mad as hell if we blew what we have up to be worse versions of OKC. Detroit is headed to Kings status how about we avoid that outcome.

I think most of us are just apathetic cause while we're young, none of our young guys look like true difference makers

Brunson and Randle are who they are. RJ's our best young prospect, but his ceiling isn't super high. Cam has a higher ceiling but is much further away from reaching it

And it's hard to be excited about young role players especially if we're gonna have to trade most of them to get a star

I like our guys, but I don't love them.

[Deeeez Knicks]

We at least have a good excuse for RJ in that he was sick

But he does need to play better and it gets old saying that, although he obviously looked ill in this one. He probably shouldnt have played. At the least he played better defense (37%fga and held Lauri down), 4assist, only 1 dumb TO. But yeah, bad game still.

He'll string some good games back together again...eventually

[FrozenEnvelope]

You'd think it was 2006 as negative as this board is.

How can anyone be this consistently negative about a team that's the 8th youngest team in the league (we're tied for 5th with the Pacers in having the most players under 25 with over 100 minutes despite Grimes' injury limiting his PT), is around .500, will probably have 7 first round picks in the next 3 drafts, has a history of finding steals in the first outside of the lottery, and that finally seems to be giving young players a consistent organizational presence and room to grow as players?

This is literally what the board begged for for the first decade I was on here, now we have a team that's building the right way through the draft and young players and y'all are mad as **** about it. I don't know why everyone is so pressed about blowing up a team built around a 26 year old PG, a 22 year old SG, a 28 year old PF (ok Randle does need to go - but y'all been dragging it for years and hated him the whole time me and Melo were his only defenders when he was signed), and 6 young ass role players with a few vets sprinkled in to teach the young kids how to be professionals.

This is what rebuilding looks like. Y'all be patient. I'd be mad as hell if we blew what we have up to be worse versions of OKC. Detroit is headed to Kings status how about we avoid that outcome.

There are like 15-20 regular posters here who will never ever be happy no matter what. They would bitch and complain about the '96 Bulls. I honestly think maybe 3 of them are serious, 10 are mentally ill and the rest are just trolling for attention.

[knickabocker88]

I didn't IQ heave up any 3's off the dribble yesterday. Most of his shots were the catch and shoot variety.

[Gravy]

The Randle team meeting worked. They pulled together and got the win for him!

And they hate on Randle for being the true leader for this team!

Did Obi call for a meeting nope, he's yelling at coaches. Did RJ?..nope he's telling fans to stfu. Team captain Julius had to do it while he's meditating to ascend to a higher plane of existence

[FrozenEnvelope]

We at least have a good excuse for RJ in that he was sick

But he does need to play better and it gets old saying that, although he obviously looked ill in this one. He probably shouldnt have played. At the least he played better defense (37%fga and held Lauri down), 4assist, only 1 dumb TO. But yeah, bad game still.

He'll string some good games back together again...eventually

I will always appreciate as a fan when a player toughs it out and at least tries to play. We have too many sissies in the league who sit out games for nonsense. RJ wasn't good last night but he had his moments.

[robillionaire]

glad to see the player's only meeting paid off! fournier and mr. untouchable aka mr. unplayable riding pine. RJ another patented 5-18 special but he was a +3 meaning he had a great game. I caught some of the 2nd half and brunson looked good

[prophet_of_rage]

They are both selfish in different ways.

Randle because he holds onto the ball.

RJ because he shoots it whenever he touches the ball. Yes, it's an exaggeration, sue me. But just to provide some evidence, among high-usage players (>24 usage rate and >30 minutes per game), RJ ranks 48 out of 54 in assists per game. Definition of a chucker.

They are both delusional about their abilities as well. The way they carry themselves doesn't match how good they are.

They are both try-hards.

True. RJ has to recognize that he currently is not nearly as effective a scorer as he thinks he is.

On too many drives, RJ looks like Charles Smith taking on the entire Jordan Bulls' defense - with similar results.

He lacks both the explosiveness and quickness to be the elite finisher he imagines himself to be. He desperately needs to develop a slick mid-range game if he wants to become a legit star in this league.

He was like this at Duke, too. This is who RJ is.

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[prophet_of_rage]

So why was he dressed? I doubt it was bc of injury. Thibs is just a moron.

If he's not healthy enough to play he shouldn't dress. He's available to play. He should play. I'm the last one that wants to rush him back.

Who does he take out of rotation?

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Is that even a serious question? Rose is on his last legs he's gone either traded early or after the season

Rose isn't ready to die yet and do you want IQ as your lead guard?

I don't think Grimes is ready to displace somebody yet. Later on maybe.

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[KnixtapeH20]

We at least have a good excuse for RJ in that he was sick

But he does need to play better and it gets old saying that, although he obviously looked ill in this one. He probably shouldnt have played. At the least he played better defense (37%fga and held Lauri down), 4assist, only 1 dumb TO. But yeah, bad game still.

He'll string some good games back together again...eventually

He's looked out of it the past few games. I forgot who mentioned f11? That RJ looked drunk 2 games ago. Last game someone mentioned he looked uninterested. Now we know why. Idk why it wasn't reported last week.... Everything is a fkn secret w this organization.

[prophet_of_rage]

He's still pretty young. Maybe he's a late bloomer. I love what I'm seeing.

How is Obi more entertaining g to watch? He doesn't do anything but leak out and shoot wide open 3s.

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He's not overdribbling the ball, doing dumb stuff on offense 5 times a game and not taking revenge shots or drives several times a game that almost always end up in misses or turnovers?

I'd find that more interesting

As soon as Obi starts the fans will be disappointed. He is his own player not the antithesis of Randle. As his own player he is a guy who stands in the corner and can't do much when a body stays in front of him.

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[duetta]

He was like this at Duke, too. This is who RJ is.

Then we're in trouble - and we should look to sell.

[robillionaire]

He was like this at Duke, too. This is who RJ is.

Then we're in trouble - and we should look to sell.

it's too late to sell without sending out unprotected firsts in the process, this past summer was their last chance

[FrozenEnvelope]

How is Obi more entertaining g to watch? He doesn't do anything but leak out and shoot wide open 3s.

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He's not overdribbling the ball, doing dumb stuff on offense 5 times a game and not taking revenge shots or drives several times a game that almost always end up in misses or turnovers?

I'd find that more interesting

As soon as Obi starts the fans will be disappointed. He is his own player not the antithesis of Randle. As his own player he is a guy who stands in the corner and can't do much when a body stays in front of him.

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The usual trolls will bitch and want him gone when they realize he is not Amare.