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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#181 » by Dalek » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:05 pm

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To me, Nick Smith Jr. would be the best outcome outside of drafting Scoot, Wemby and Amen. I just love his game and think he'd be a great replacement for Fred to start over with. Good size, slithery with the ball, can pass but can also score. It is just a question of where Toronto drafts.

If we draft in the 5-10 range I really like Smith Jr. In the 10-15 range I like Cam Whitmore, and after that Tristan Vukcevic or Rayan Rupert probably.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#182 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:16 pm

Dalek wrote:
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To me, Nick Smith Jr. would be the best outcome outside of drafting Scoot, Wemby and Amen. I just love his game and think he'd be a great replacement for Fred to start over with. Good size, slithery with the ball, can pass but can also score. It is just a question of where Toronto drafts.

If we draft in the 5-10 range I really like Smith Jr. In the 10-15 range I like Cam Whitmore, and after that Tristan Vukcevic or Rayan Rupert probably.


I'm higher on Cam than probably Nick Smith, I see the appeal tho is NS. I doubt Cam is gonna be available to us.

Edit - nbadraft.net has Cam at 17 And George at 15... Those are the two players I want the most

I figure we end up with one of Hendricks or Wallace or Jett Howard if he somehow falls to us imho
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#183 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:25 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:I read somewhere that Miller's car blocked the exit of the victim's vehicle. Last time I remember something like this came up was Tyreke Evans. It didn't drop his stock, but this is a different era of the league.


He brought the loaded gun, blocked her car, and was there when the shooting happened? And he's played 27 games and no charges have been filed? What the actual ****?
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#184 » by NotMyKawhi » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:35 pm

you arent getting black, dick, you getting whitehead
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#185 » by Mark_83 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:42 pm

Nick Smith reminds me a lot of Jordan Poole at Michigan with the way he plays. He's got bag and just needs to develop efficiency.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#186 » by Mark_83 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:45 pm

Is Bronny an actually good player? The clips I've seen don't like a lottery talent.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#187 » by Mark_83 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:50 pm

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Yeah, I've been a bit back and forth on Black as he's had a few rough games this season but on a whole I think he would def be a solid addition. All things considered, after seeing smaller guys continually get exploited on defense, I'd rather have the bigger player. A guy like Lowry is an outlier.

Of course there's concerns with his long-range shooting maybe not being as solid as others in his tier but his defense/playmaking would be fun to see put in the mix with OG/Scottie/Pascal/Yak.

Really no interest in the all offense, subpar defense prospects at all. If you're struggling a bit at this level how's that gonna work when you're taking a leap at the next level?

My other worry, which doesn't mean we shouldn't draft him, is that his additive playmaking would be wasted in a Nick Nurse conservative iso offense.

Black and Walker two of my faves so far. Just good basketball players

I like Black but his fit with us is going to make the sum of our parts a lot less than they should be. I would rather pick a rookie that can come in play defense, and space the floor. This gives them live minutes to see how great players play in clutch situations or full speed. I personally want Rupert, he's on a competitive team in a good league. He should be rated way higher than he currently is. The other guy I'd be interested in is Bilal Coulibaly. The concern with the latter is he is making well off the attention Wembyama gets but it looks like something is there.

Black would fit, but we would have to move Scottie imo. With Beal's recent comments, maybe there's a Beal/Scottie trade that could be worked out. If not, I think Cason Wallace just fits better.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#188 » by Psubs » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:57 pm



If the Raptors go on a run and end up drafting in the 20's, what about Terquavion Smith? He's a 6'4 combo guard who was mature enough to return to NC State and is putting up 18ppg and 4 ast with an AT = 2. He has NBA range but maybe shot-selection has him be a chucker right now. He could be Gary Trent with better handles and passing?
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#189 » by Psubs » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:19 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Nick Smith reminds me a lot of Jordan Poole at Michigan with the way he plays. He's got bag and just needs to develop efficiency.


Terquavion reminds me of Jordan Poole.

Actually, maybe Jaden Ivey 2.0?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35086598/why-did-terquavion-smith-return-struggling-nc-state

"It's just the environment of NC State and Raleigh," Smith said. "The love for college basketball. You only get that once. I feel like I have more to prove. I feel like I stayed because I'm big on loyalty. They recruited me at the age of 15, they never switched on me or never lied to me about what I could do at NC State."

Since Smith opted to return to Raleigh, Keatts has noticed a few changes in his star guard.

"He's listened to everybody," Keatts said. "His mentality is a little bit different. He's making a concerted effort to put extra work in. He's making a concerted effort to put on weight. ... And he's also making good plays. He's gotten better. And he's focused and he's locked in.


When he drives, he looks like he glides out there.

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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#190 » by HumbleRen » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:36 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Is Bronny an actually good player? The clips I've seen don't like a lottery talent.


He really reminds me of Jalen Suggs or Josh Hart. I think he ends up as a low lottery prospect. His defence and basketball IQ is borderline elite.

A great connector for a team.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#191 » by NotMyKawhi » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:48 pm

Bronny does it all w ease
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#192 » by NotMyKawhi » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:52 pm

That's not cooper flagg tho

Cooper Flagg is like AK47 on D, dirk on offence
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#193 » by Brinbe » Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:41 pm

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Also thought this was an interesting note by Givony. May have played into the FOs thinking regarding the pick next year?

This has been considered a weak incoming freshman class for some time, but the assumption was that reclassifications and late-bloomers would emerge to change the trajectory of the conversation, something that hasn't happened thus far.

The fact that the high school junior class, which will make up a big part of the 2025 NBA draft, also isn't shaping up as a banner group thus far is another concern teams have and could be part of the reason so many future picks have already changed hands. More than half of next year's first-round selections are already slated to be in another team's hands depending on how pick protections unfold, with more likely to change hands this summer and at next year's trade deadline. The same can be said about the rights to 2025 NBA draft first-round picks, the majority of which have changed hands already despite that draft being nearly 2½ years away. The NBA and the players' union appear nowhere close to coming to terms on eliminating the age limit, so there is no "double draft" with the top college and high school prospects coming in the near future
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#194 » by tripa » Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:52 pm

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If the Raptors go on a run and end up drafting in the 20's, what about Terquavion Smith? He's a 6'4 combo guard who was mature enough to return to NC State and is putting up 18ppg and 4 ast with an AT = 2. He has NBA range but maybe shot-selection has him be a chucker right now. He could be Gary Trent with better handles and passing?


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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#195 » by Ell Curry » Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:52 pm

Dalek wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:


To me, Nick Smith Jr. would be the best outcome outside of drafting Scoot, Wemby and Amen. I just love his game and think he'd be a great replacement for Fred to start over with. Good size, slithery with the ball, can pass but can also score. It is just a question of where Toronto drafts.

If we draft in the 5-10 range I really like Smith Jr. In the 10-15 range I like Cam Whitmore, and after that Tristan Vukcevic or Rayan Rupert probably.


My nightmare draft is Cason Wallace, Black, Smith Jr and Keyonte George all being gone when we pick, this just seems like our best shot to get at least a 50/50 chance of a good perimeter scorer or quality PG. They won't all hit, but that's around where guys like Donovan Mitchell and Haliburton went and we missed out on those guys, particularly annoyingly in Haliburton's case when he might have been gettable from Sacramento considering we have some Sabonis level frontcourt guys of similar ages.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#196 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:14 am

Can someone tell me why Masai would want Nick Smith Jr.? Dude has shown 0 his freshman season.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#197 » by Dalek » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:28 am

Psubs wrote:

If the Raptors go on a run and end up drafting in the 20's, what about Terquavion Smith? He's a 6'4 combo guard who was mature enough to return to NC State and is putting up 18ppg and 4 ast with an AT = 2. He has NBA range but maybe shot-selection has him be a chucker right now. He could be Gary Trent with better handles and passing?


I like Terq because he is a professonal bucket getter, but his body type kind of scares me off him. He has trouble scoring at the rim in college because he is like 6'4 and 160 lbs. He recently had to get carted off on a stretcher after a bad fall.

Those skinny types really make me nervous about injuries (still haunted by TJ Ford), plus they can't guard their position so he becomes a 6 man. At least with Gary he has a bit of size to fight through screens and guard.
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Post#198 » by ArthurVandelay » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:34 am

ArthurVandelay wrote:This article gives a full run down on the incidents leading up to shooting.

“Asked by AL.com why Miller was not charged, Tuscaloosa chief deputy D.A. Paula Whitley said, “That’s not a question I can answer. There’s nothing we could charge him with,’' according to the law, she said.”

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html



There has been some inaccurate information and assumptions throughout the thread on Miller. The link in the quoted post has a rundown of events leading up to the shooting/murder. This link has Miller’s attorney comments on the matter:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/alabama-star-brandon-miller-brought-gun-used-in-fatal-shooting-to-darius-miles-per-police-testimony/amp/

In a Wednesday statement from Miller's attorney, Jim Standridge, he claimed that Miller "never touched the gun, was not involved in its exchange to Mr. Davis in any way, and never knew that illegal activity involving the gun would occur."

The statement also denies an allegation that Miller's vehicle blocked the victim's vehicle.

"Brandon has submitted to multiple interviews to assist law enforcement in further understanding the situation, he has volunteered to have his phone contents extracted as well as that of the contents of his automobile," the statement said. "He will continue to cooperate as any citizen should who has witnessed a serious incident. Brandon does not own a firearm and has never even handled a firearm. Moreover, he had no knowledge of any intent to use any weapon."
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#199 » by dozo » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:41 am

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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#200 » by Dalek » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:44 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Can someone tell me why Masai would want Nick Smith Jr.? Dude has shown 0 his freshman season.


I mainly go by his high school film and him being a 5 star ranked recruit. He is a blue chip type and he just has a poise about his game playing at his pace and able to be a modern scoring PG at 6'5. Masai probably would like his size, 6'8ish wingspan and the touch and bounce he has to his game.

His college season has kind of sucked because he has only played 9 games and is coming off a knee injury. Plus, he plays for Arkansas which has Black and Council who eat up a lot of the scoring and playmaking. Musselman has always run a crazy five small type line-up so it is a bit of a weird program.

Smith has had a few great moments, but you are banking on what this guy will be, not where he is now. Kind of like how Shaedon Sharp got drafted high simply because he looked the part of an NBA guard and flashed enough skill and athleticism to convince GMs.

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