The Brock Purdy Thread

[arich35]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

This is what Purdy has been praised about since he took over

[Big J]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

This is what Purdy has been praised about since he took over

Purdy just runs the plays that Kyle tells him to. Manning basically orchestrated the entire offense when he was on the field. He read the defense, chose what plays to run based on that, moved guys around, told his guys where the extra rushers were coming from. Purdy isn't in the same galaxy as Manning when it comes to this.

[CharityStripe34]

I think he meant Purdy's been praised for his intelligence and his relatively advanced ability to deduce defenses and get the ball where it needs to go, despite being a second year QB after only 8 games. Not that he's as mentally sound as Peyton Manning was in his prime or whatever.

[Big J]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

Brady had all around talent? What physical talent? League minimum athleticism. No bulk (he added muscle throughout his career but was always slight for his height). Well below average NFL starting QB arm strength. The only physical area where he was even average was his height.

And Purdy may very well have a special brain. His recognition and decision making have been extraordinary for a guy with his level of experience. No reason at all to think that he's maxed out mentally.

Brady had real NFL QB size. He looked the part. Even if he wasn't bulky he was straight up bigger and stronger that Purdy is. This matters a ton when it comes to putting fear into your opponents.

Also Purdy has nowhere near the same command of the offense that Manning did. Manning actually called the plays, moved his guys around, called out the extra rushers. Purdy just runs what Kyle tells him to.

[Big J]

I think he meant Purdy's been praised for his intelligence and his relatively advanced ability to deduce defenses and get the ball where it needs to go, despite being a second year QB after only 8 games. Not that he's as mentally sound as Peyton Manning was in his prime or whatever.

Ok, well he's nowhere close to Manning in that regard. He's mostly just running the stuff Kyle tells him to. Jimmy did the same thing.

[CrimsonCrew]

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

This is what Purdy has been praised about since he took over

Purdy just runs the plays that Kyle tells him to. Manning basically orchestrated the entire offense when he was on the field. He read the defense, chose what plays to run based on that, moved guys around, told his guys where the extra rushers were coming from. Purdy isn't in the same galaxy as Manning when it comes to this.

Manning did that as a 16-year vet. Even he wasn't doing it as a second year player. Expecting Purdy to be there now if absurd. But where he is now is ahead of where virtually any other NFL QB has been at this point in their careers, Manning included.

[Big J]

This is what Purdy has been praised about since he took over

Purdy just runs the plays that Kyle tells him to. Manning basically orchestrated the entire offense when he was on the field. He read the defense, chose what plays to run based on that, moved guys around, told his guys where the extra rushers were coming from. Purdy isn't in the same galaxy as Manning when it comes to this.

Manning did that as a 16-year vet. Even he wasn't doing it as a second year player. Expecting Purdy to be there now if absurd. But where he is now is ahead of where virtually any other NFL QB has been at this point in their careers, Manning included.

Purdy is never going to get to that level under Kyle. There is no way that Kyle would allow him call all of the plays like Manning did. Kyle just wants a guy who is going to run his system. Manning was the system.

[CrimsonCrew]

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

Brady had all around talent? What physical talent? League minimum athleticism. No bulk (he added muscle throughout his career but was always slight for his height). Well below average NFL starting QB arm strength. The only physical area where he was even average was his height.

And Purdy may very well have a special brain. His recognition and decision making have been extraordinary for a guy with his level of experience. No reason at all to think that he's maxed out mentally.

Brady had real NFL QB size. He looked the part. Even if he wasn't bulky he was straight up bigger and stronger that Purdy is. This matters a ton when it comes to putting fear into your opponents.

Also Purdy has nowhere near the same command of the offense that Manning did. Manning actually called the plays, moved his guys around, called out the extra rushers. Purdy just runs what Kyle tells him to.

No, he had real NFL QB height. He weighed a pound less than Purdy coming out, despite a four-inch height difference. And he certainly wasn't stronger.

Manning did not call plays in his second season. Maybe in his eighth or tenth.

[CrimsonCrew]

Purdy just runs the plays that Kyle tells him to. Manning basically orchestrated the entire offense when he was on the field. He read the defense, chose what plays to run based on that, moved guys around, told his guys where the extra rushers were coming from. Purdy isn't in the same galaxy as Manning when it comes to this.

Manning did that as a 16-year vet. Even he wasn't doing it as a second year player. Expecting Purdy to be there now if absurd. But where he is now is ahead of where virtually any other NFL QB has been at this point in their careers, Manning included.

Purdy is never going to get to that level under Kyle. There is no way that Kyle would allow him call all of the plays like Manning did. Kyle just wants a guy who is going to run his system. Manning was the system.

Okay, so you ding Purdy for playing in such an amazing offense, but you also ding him for not calling the offense himself. If Shanahan calls the best offense, and Purdy runs it perfectly, that should be an awfully effective pairing.

And even though I wouldn't ever expect Shanahan to cede playcalling duties to his QB, certainly we should expect that he will give Purdy more freedom as he shows he can handle it.

[arich35]

Purdy just runs the plays that Kyle tells him to. Manning basically orchestrated the entire offense when he was on the field. He read the defense, chose what plays to run based on that, moved guys around, told his guys where the extra rushers were coming from. Purdy isn't in the same galaxy as Manning when it comes to this.

Manning did that as a 16-year vet. Even he wasn't doing it as a second year player. Expecting Purdy to be there now if absurd. But where he is now is ahead of where virtually any other NFL QB has been at this point in their careers, Manning included.

Purdy is never going to get to that level under Kyle. There is no way that Kyle would allow him call all of the plays like Manning did. Kyle just wants a guy who is going to run his system. Manning was the system.

Are you just figuring out every organization runs a different system? Just because Purdy isn't in that type of system that gives him free reign doesn't mean he doesn't have the smarts as a top level QB

[arich35]

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[Pattersonca65]

Manning did that as a 16-year vet. Even he wasn't doing it as a second year player. Expecting Purdy to be there now if absurd. But where he is now is ahead of where virtually any other NFL QB has been at this point in their careers, Manning included.

Purdy is never going to get to that level under Kyle. There is no way that Kyle would allow him call all of the plays like Manning did. Kyle just wants a guy who is going to run his system. Manning was the system.

Are you just figuring out every organization runs a different system? Just because Purdy isn't in that type of system that gives him free reign doesn't mean he doesn't have the smarts as a top level QB

This is getting comical

[Big J]

Manning did that as a 16-year vet. Even he wasn't doing it as a second year player. Expecting Purdy to be there now if absurd. But where he is now is ahead of where virtually any other NFL QB has been at this point in their careers, Manning included.

Purdy is never going to get to that level under Kyle. There is no way that Kyle would allow him call all of the plays like Manning did. Kyle just wants a guy who is going to run his system. Manning was the system.

Are you just figuring out every organization runs a different system? Just because Purdy isn't in that type of system that gives him free reign doesn't mean he doesn't have the smarts as a top level QB

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

[Samurai]

Purdy is never going to get to that level under Kyle. There is no way that Kyle would allow him call all of the plays like Manning did. Kyle just wants a guy who is going to run his system. Manning was the system.

Are you just figuring out every organization runs a different system? Just because Purdy isn't in that type of system that gives him free reign doesn't mean he doesn't have the smarts as a top level QB

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Right. Because everyone acknowledges that Manning is the bare minimum bar that any starting QB should aspire to. If you can't orchestrate an offense at his level, you shouldn't be in the league. It's good to establish what your expectation is; obviously Lance will likely lap Manning in terms of orchestrating an offense.

[Big J]

Are you just figuring out every organization runs a different system? Just because Purdy isn't in that type of system that gives him free reign doesn't mean he doesn't have the smarts as a top level QB

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Right. Because everyone acknowledges that Manning is the bare minimum bar that any starting QB should aspire to. If you can't orchestrate an offense at his level, you shouldn't be in the league. It's good to establish what your expectation is; obviously Lance will likely lap Manning in terms of orchestrating an offense.

The whole argument was about SB winning QB's and their elite traits. They all have at least 1 elite trait. Purdy has none.

[Pattersonca65]

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Right. Because everyone acknowledges that Manning is the bare minimum bar that any starting QB should aspire to. If you can't orchestrate an offense at his level, you shouldn't be in the league. It's good to establish what your expectation is; obviously Lance will likely lap Manning in terms of orchestrating an offense.

The whole argument was about SB winning QB's and their elite traits. They all have at least 1 elite trait. Purdy has none.

Well neither does Lance so at least the player that can go through progressions and can read a defense is starting.

[Big J]

Right. Because everyone acknowledges that Manning is the bare minimum bar that any starting QB should aspire to. If you can't orchestrate an offense at his level, you shouldn't be in the league. It's good to establish what your expectation is; obviously Lance will likely lap Manning in terms of orchestrating an offense.

The whole argument was about SB winning QB's and their elite traits. They all have at least 1 elite trait. Purdy has none.

Well neither does Lance so at least the player that can go through progressions and can read a defense is starting.

Lance is huge, athletic, and has a canon arm. He can't read a defense yet because he's still raw due to only playing 1 season of college ball and 5 quarters of regular season NFL ball.

[Pattersonca65]

The whole argument was about SB winning QB's and their elite traits. They all have at least 1 elite trait. Purdy has none.

Well neither does Lance so at least the player that can go through progressions and can read a defense is starting.

Lance is huge, athletic, and has a canon arm. He can't read a defense yet because he's still raw due to only playing 1 season of college ball and 5 quarters of regular season NFL ball.

Lance is not huge. He is not particularly quick. He can throw far but is inaccurate. He could very well never develop beyond an average qb at best

[Samurai]

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Right. Because everyone acknowledges that Manning is the bare minimum bar that any starting QB should aspire to. If you can't orchestrate an offense at his level, you shouldn't be in the league. It's good to establish what your expectation is; obviously Lance will likely lap Manning in terms of orchestrating an offense.

The whole argument was about SB winning QB's and their elite traits. They all have at least 1 elite trait. Purdy has none.

This has already been shown to be untrue. The previous post in the Lance thread discussed Purdy's mid-90's score on the S2 test, which according to the neuroscientist and co-founder Brandon Ally, is considered "elite". Others who scored in this range are Mahommes, Allen and Brees. Since this is the same elite trait that he shares with Brees, I don't understand why you keep saying he "has no elite traits". Which is why Ally stated that the game 'will never be too fast for Brock. I don't think he'll ever have trouble adjusting.' The areas he was most similar to Brees' elite areas were spatial awareness (which translates to how well a QB can assess a defense before the snap) and distraction control. “Those are the guys — and Drew Brees was one of those — who, the pocket, the world could be collapsing around them and they can just maintain that steely focus on what they’re supposed to be doing,” Ally said.

Those can be important traits for a QB to be elite in. You may not agree with Ally, for all I know you may be a far more accomplished neuroscientist than he is. But it is just flat out wrong to say there are not traits that are elite.

[CrimsonCrew]

Purdy is never going to get to that level under Kyle. There is no way that Kyle would allow him call all of the plays like Manning did. Kyle just wants a guy who is going to run his system. Manning was the system.

Are you just figuring out every organization runs a different system? Just because Purdy isn't in that type of system that gives him free reign doesn't mean he doesn't have the smarts as a top level QB

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Manning wasn't in Manning's galaxy in year 2.

You jump through hoops to point out elite traits in other players (Foles was tall?), while ignoring or minimizing the fact that Purdy has shown truly special processing and recognition for a second-year player. Again, maybe he can't hit the very peaks of NFL greatness. But saying he has no special qualities is absurd. He has played REMARKABLY for a guy in his situation, regardless of the coaching staff and supporting cast.