Where would Stockton rank as a point guard today

[One_and_Done]

Those Utah teams lacked talent. During the entire Stockton and Malone run, did the Jazz produce a single All Star wing player? The Jazz and the Clippers were the two franchises NBA players were the LEAST interested in playing for before Vancouver and Toronto came on the scene.

See that's just not true at all. Jeff Malone was an all-star wing. He didn't make an all-star team in Utah, but that was because there's only 1 ball to go around and you have to sacrifice for a team with 2 other all-stars. He was just as good as when he made all-star teams. Ditto Hornacek, who was even better. Eaton was an all-star and 2 time DPOY player and even got MVP votes in 2 different years.

There were also other good role players in those teams, like Thurl Bailey, Tyrone Corbin, etc. Also just how much help do 2 supposed MVP type players need? It's kind of ridiculous to look at all this and still be like 'yeh, but they needed an all-nba wing too!' Really? They needed a 3rd (or in some years 4th) all-star player to get out of the 1st or 2nd round? Nobody asks or cares about who the 4th man was on the Shaq-Kobe Lakers... because they have two MVP type players as their 1-2 punch. You shouldn't need much more after that.

Jeff Hornacek and Jeff Malone were not wing players. Wings HAVE to be able to guard the small forward position. Those are just two guards. You are reaching. Shaq is better than Malone and Stockton COMBINED!

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, but we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

[SelfishPlayer]

See that's just not true at all. Jeff Malone was an all-star wing. He didn't make an all-star team in Utah, but that was because there's only 1 ball to go around and you have to sacrifice for a team with 2 other all-stars. He was just as good as when he made all-star teams. Ditto Hornacek, who was even better. Eaton was an all-star and 2 time DPOY player and even got MVP votes in 2 different years.

There were also other good role players in those teams, like Thurl Bailey, Tyrone Corbin, etc. Also just how much help do 2 supposed MVP type players need? It's kind of ridiculous to look at all this and still be like 'yeh, but they needed an all-nba wing too!' Really? They needed a 3rd (or in some years 4th) all-star player to get out of the 1st or 2nd round? Nobody asks or cares about who the 4th man was on the Shaq-Kobe Lakers... because they have two MVP type players as their 1-2 punch. You shouldn't need much more after that.

Jeff Hornacek and Jeff Malone were not wing players. Wings HAVE to be able to guard the small forward position. Those are just two guards. You are reaching. Shaq is better than Malone and Stockton COMBINED!

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, bit we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

You need a really good "wing" to compete in the postseason at a high level. You don't need a really good PF or really good PG to compete in the post season at a high level. Stockton and Malone didn't need another All Star at wing, but they certainly needed much better wings. If you exchange Jeff Malone and Hornacek for a SG/SF like Alan Houston, Khris Middleton, Michael Finley, or Jaylen Brown, then Utah would have probably won a championship.

[One_and_Done]

Jeff Hornacek and Jeff Malone were not wing players. Wings HAVE to be able to guard the small forward position. Those are just two guards. You are reaching. Shaq is better than Malone and Stockton COMBINED!

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, bit we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

You need a really good "wing" to compete in the postseason at a high level. You don't need a really good PF or really good PG to compete in the post season at a high level. Stockton and Malone didn't need another All Star at wing, but they certainly needed much better wings. If you exchange Jeff Malone and Hornacek for a SG/SF like Alan Houston, Khris Middleton, Michael Finley, or Jaylen Brown, then Utah would have probably won a championship.

This was the 80s and 90s. You absolutely did not need that. It also remains absurd that you think 2 supposed MVPs needed an elite wing to get out of the 1st and 2nd round on top of everything else. In the 80s and 90s a good 5 man was actually much more important than a small forward, and they had DPOY Mark Eaton.

The Jazz lost in the 1st round to the 43 win Warriors who were starting journeymen Rod Higgins. Winston Garland, and Terry Teagle. The 91 Blazers who spanked the Jazz were playing role player Jerome Kersey at the 3. The 93 Sonics beat the Jazz in the 1st round starting role player Derrick McKey. The 94 Rockets started V.Maxwell, a solid-ish 3 man.

[SelfishPlayer]

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, bit we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

You need a really good "wing" to compete in the postseason at a high level. You don't need a really good PF or really good PG to compete in the post season at a high level. Stockton and Malone didn't need another All Star at wing, but they certainly needed much better wings. If you exchange Jeff Malone and Hornacek for a SG/SF like Alan Houston, Khris Middleton, Michael Finley, or Jaylen Brown, then Utah would have probably won a championship.

This was the 80s and 90s. You absolutely did not need that. It also remains absurd that you think 2 supposed MVPs needed an elite wing to get out of the 1st and 2nd round on top of everything else. In the 80s and 90s a good 5 man was actually much more important than a small forward, and they had DPOY Mark Eaton.

Elite? Kris Middleton is elite? I'm letting you slide with the repeated "2 supposed MVPs," but exaggerating my opinion of them needing an upgrade at the wing is too much. The teams winning championships in the 80s definitely had more talent than Utah. Lakers, Celtics and Pistons had far more talent. The Jazz eventually made it to the Finals in the less talented 90s.

[One_and_Done]

You need a really good "wing" to compete in the postseason at a high level. You don't need a really good PF or really good PG to compete in the post season at a high level. Stockton and Malone didn't need another All Star at wing, but they certainly needed much better wings. If you exchange Jeff Malone and Hornacek for a SG/SF like Alan Houston, Khris Middleton, Michael Finley, or Jaylen Brown, then Utah would have probably won a championship.

This was the 80s and 90s. You absolutely did not need that. It also remains absurd that you think 2 supposed MVPs needed an elite wing to get out of the 1st and 2nd round on top of everything else. In the 80s and 90s a good 5 man was actually much more important than a small forward, and they had DPOY Mark Eaton.

Elite? Kris Middleton is elite? I'm letting you slide with the repeated "2 supposed MVPs," but exaggerating my opinion of them needing an upgrade at the wing is too much. The teams winning championships in the 80s definitely had more talent than Utah. Lakers, Celtics and Pistons had far more talent. The Jazz eventually made it to the Finals in the less talented 90s.

As my edited post notes, this was not about winning titles.

Middleton is also a 3 time all-star. He's pretty elite. If not for injuries and bad luck he could easily have double that many. Houston, who you mentioned before, only made 2 all-star teams (the same # as Jeff Malone btw), and Spree (who played more SF than Houston ever did) made only 4. FYI, despite giving up 2 inches to him, just J.Malone was far more suited to guard 3s than Houston).

[SelfishPlayer]

This was the 80s and 90s. You absolutely did not need that. It also remains absurd that you think 2 supposed MVPs needed an elite wing to get out of the 1st and 2nd round on top of everything else. In the 80s and 90s a good 5 man was actually much more important than a small forward, and they had DPOY Mark Eaton.

Elite? Kris Middleton is elite? I'm letting you slide with the repeated "2 supposed MVPs," but exaggerating my opinion of them needing an upgrade at the wing is too much. The teams winning championships in the 80s definitely had more talent than Utah. Lakers, Celtics and Pistons had far more talent. The Jazz eventually made it to the Finals in the less talented 90s.

As my edited post notes, this was not about winning titles.

Middleton is also a 3 time all-star. He's pretty elite. If not for injuries and bad luck he could easily have double that many. Houston, who you mentioned before, only made 2 all-star teams (the same # as Jeff Malone btw), and Spree (who played more SF than Houston ever did) made only 4. FYI, despite giving up 2 inches to him, just J.Malone was far more suited to guard 3s than Houston).

Jeff Mslone played bad basketball. He made the All Star team on bad Washington teams just like Bradley Beal. He also was one of the most notorious non three point shooting shooters EVER. He NEVER shot threes. During his two All Star seasons he made a COMBINED seven three pointers! For two whole seasons!

[One_and_Done]

Elite? Kris Middleton is elite? I'm letting you slide with the repeated "2 supposed MVPs," but exaggerating my opinion of them needing an upgrade at the wing is too much. The teams winning championships in the 80s definitely had more talent than Utah. Lakers, Celtics and Pistons had far more talent. The Jazz eventually made it to the Finals in the less talented 90s.

As my edited post notes, this was not about winning titles.

Middleton is also a 3 time all-star. He's pretty elite. If not for injuries and bad luck he could easily have double that many. Houston, who you mentioned before, only made 2 all-star teams (the same # as Jeff Malone btw), and Spree (who played more SF than Houston ever did) made only 4. FYI, despite giving up 2 inches to him, just J.Malone was far more suited to guard 3s than Houston).

Jeff Mslone played bad basketball. He made the All Star team on bad Washington teams just like Bradley Beal. He also was one of the most notorious non three point shooting shooters EVER. He NEVER shot threes. During his two All Star seasons he made a COMBINED seven three pointers! For two whole seasons!

3pt shooting wasn't important when Jeff Malone played, and the Bullets were exactly 500. In games he played over those 2 years (80-80). Jeff Malone was the Bullets best player those years, and they made the playoffs both years (almost upsetting Barkley and the Sixers one year). Sounds like a good 3rd best player to me.

[Ancalagon]

Sharing this box score not to point out how great Stockton was but to highlight the supporting cast during his prime. Remember - Hornacek showed up well after Stockton’s prime.

Glossary
Basic Box Score Stats
Starters MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc
Karl Malone 48:00 14 21 .667 0 0 3 9 .333 1 14 15 4 2 0 5 4 31 22.6
John Stockton 48:00 10 15 .667 1 3 .333 8 8 1.000 0 1 1 20 5 0 5 2 29 36.0
Bob Hansen 46:00 6 19 .316 2 6 .333 2 5 .400 3 2 5 4 0 0 2 3 16 6.2
Mark Eaton 44:00 1 3 .333 0 0 0 2 .000 1 5 6 1 0 2 0 4 2 2.2
Marc Iavaroni 10:00 2 3 .667 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 3 4 2.9
Reserves MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc
Thurl Bailey 42:00 6 12 .500 0 0 4 4 1.000 0 1 1 2 2 0 1 5 16 10.7
Bart Kofoed 2:00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 -1.0
Team Totals 240 39 73 .534 3 9 .333 17 28

In this game, you have the rest of the team shooting 15 for 37 in a game that Stockton had 20 assists. So even if we assume 14 of those assists were to Malone (every Malone field goal), that means he had 6 to other players and they shot 9 for 31 unassisted by Stockton …

Edited to add: this is game 7 of the 1988 WC Semis against the champion Lakers.

[iggymcfrack]

He's top 5 all-time. Of course he'd be top 5 today. Was an incredible defender all the way into the 2000s as he was LeBron's age. Incredible passer. Incredible shooter. Would have been encouraged to take a lot higher volume of threes today which would make him much more dangerous as a scoring threat.

[dhsilv2]

See that's just not true at all. Jeff Malone was an all-star wing. He didn't make an all-star team in Utah, but that was because there's only 1 ball to go around and you have to sacrifice for a team with 2 other all-stars. He was just as good as when he made all-star teams. Ditto Hornacek, who was even better. Eaton was an all-star and 2 time DPOY player and even got MVP votes in 2 different years.

There were also other good role players in those teams, like Thurl Bailey, Tyrone Corbin, etc. Also just how much help do 2 supposed MVP type players need? It's kind of ridiculous to look at all this and still be like 'yeh, but they needed an all-nba wing too!' Really? They needed a 3rd (or in some years 4th) all-star player to get out of the 1st or 2nd round? Nobody asks or cares about who the 4th man was on the Shaq-Kobe Lakers... because they have two MVP type players as their 1-2 punch. You shouldn't need much more after that.

Jeff Hornacek and Jeff Malone were not wing players. Wings HAVE to be able to guard the small forward position. Those are just two guards. You are reaching. Shaq is better than Malone and Stockton COMBINED!

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, but we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

Jeff Malone sucked dude...like he sucked. he was a poor scorer and shot too much. He also wasn't a good defender.


Jazz become a contender as soon as they replaced him for a good player.

[One_and_Done]

Jeff Hornacek and Jeff Malone were not wing players. Wings HAVE to be able to guard the small forward position. Those are just two guards. You are reaching. Shaq is better than Malone and Stockton COMBINED!

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, but we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

Jeff Malone sucked dude...like he sucked. he was a poor scorer and shot too much. He also wasn't a good defender.


Jazz become a contender as soon as they replaced him for a good player.

Yup, the best player on 2 playoff teams who scored efficiently for Jazz for the time was the secret factor holding back Stockton and Malone; even when he wasn't on the team and they still came up short apparently.

[dhsilv2]

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, but we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

Jeff Malone sucked dude...like he sucked. he was a poor scorer and shot too much. He also wasn't a good defender.


Jazz become a contender as soon as they replaced him for a good player.

Yup, the best player on 2 playoff teams who scored efficiently for Jazz for the time was the secret factor holding back Stockton and Malone; even when he wasn't on the team and they still came up short apparently.

sorry who was efficient?

[theonlyclutch]

Jeff Hornacek and Jeff Malone were not wing players. Wings HAVE to be able to guard the small forward position. Those are just two guards. You are reaching. Shaq is better than Malone and Stockton COMBINED!

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, but we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

Jeff Malone sucked dude...like he sucked. he was a poor scorer and shot too much. He also wasn't a good defender.


Jazz become a contender as soon as they replaced him for a good player.

I see this argument brought up all the time, but 'Sucky 3rd options' don't actually prevent teams from being legitimate contenders if their top options are good enough:
-The 2020 Lakers had *checks notes* Kyle Kuzma and won the chip.
-The '22 Warriors won the chip and had idk, Andrew Wiggins, remind me how he was perceived most of his career again?
-The Mavs this past season got to the finals with a bunch of cheap trade deadline acquisitions and a rookie around Luka + Kyrie.

Having not-so-great 3rd options would be a legitimate excuse for why a team might not match say, the Jordan Bulls or KD Warriors, but in no way does that prevent playoff success.

[One_and_Done]

Jeff Malone sucked dude...like he sucked. he was a poor scorer and shot too much. He also wasn't a good defender.


Jazz become a contender as soon as they replaced him for a good player.

Yup, the best player on 2 playoff teams who scored efficiently for Jazz for the time was the secret factor holding back Stockton and Malone; even when he wasn't on the team and they still came up short apparently.

sorry who was efficient?

Jeff Malone was during his Jazz tenure. From 91-93 he shot over 50% from the field and almost 90% from the line while putting up 19pog as a 3rd option. No, he didn't shoot 3s, but that was normal for that time. I would rate him lower in today's league because of that (and on the whole), but relative to the league he was in he was a fine 3rd option.

[SweaterBae]

STOP REPLYING TO HIM

[SelfishPlayer]

As my edited post notes, this was not about winning titles.

Middleton is also a 3 time all-star. He's pretty elite. If not for injuries and bad luck he could easily have double that many. Houston, who you mentioned before, only made 2 all-star teams (the same # as Jeff Malone btw), and Spree (who played more SF than Houston ever did) made only 4. FYI, despite giving up 2 inches to him, just J.Malone was far more suited to guard 3s than Houston).

Jeff Mslone played bad basketball. He made the All Star team on bad Washington teams just like Bradley Beal. He also was one of the most notorious non three point shooting shooters EVER. He NEVER shot threes. During his two All Star seasons he made a COMBINED seven three pointers! For two whole seasons!

3pt shooting wasn't important when Jeff Malone played, and the Bullets were exactly 500. In games he played over those 2 years (80-80). Jeff Malone was the Bullets best player those years, and they made the playoffs both years (almost upsetting Barkley and the Sixers one year). Sounds like a good 3rd best player to me.

In comparison to Jeff Malone's seven made threes over those two seasons, Celtic Danny made 111 over those two seasons and Laker Michael Cooper made 152 threes over those same two seasons. The organizations winning championships had three point shooters at shooting guard.

[SelfishPlayer]

I certainly agree Shaq was better than Stockton and Malone combined, but if Stockton was the MVP type player he's being portrayed as then that shouldn't be the case. If it's easier look at other pairings of 2 MVPs in their prime; if such a pairing was getting spanked all the time in the playoffs, and posted an average of 51 wins a season over 7 years, they'd be ripped on mercilessly.

This idea they needed a star wing as well is bizarre. It's also bizarre that 6-4 Jeff Malone was supposedly too scrawny to help on the wing. The man was chiselled out of stone, and cut like a rock. Tyrone Corbin, who I already mentioned, was a solid role playing 3 who the Jazz had for 3 years. The Jazz were playing mobile 6-11 forward Thurl Bailey 30mpg for years; I trust he was big enough. Back then, with the style of play at the time, that was perfectly workable. Thurl was a fine role player at any rate, garnering 6th man votes 4 separate years.

Imagine if Wade and Lebron lost in the 1st round to a 43 win team and said 'yeh, but we only have Bosh, we really need another star wing to get the job done'.

Jeff Malone sucked dude...like he sucked. he was a poor scorer and shot too much. He also wasn't a good defender.


Jazz become a contender as soon as they replaced him for a good player.

Yup, the best player on 2 playoff teams who scored efficiently for Jazz for the time was the secret factor holding back Stockton and Malone; even when he wasn't on the team and they still came up short apparently.

The Bullets were 39-43 and Jeff Malone had a TS%.533

[One_and_Done]

Jeff Mslone played bad basketball. He made the All Star team on bad Washington teams just like Bradley Beal. He also was one of the most notorious non three point shooting shooters EVER. He NEVER shot threes. During his two All Star seasons he made a COMBINED seven three pointers! For two whole seasons!

3pt shooting wasn't important when Jeff Malone played, and the Bullets were exactly 500. In games he played over those 2 years (80-80). Jeff Malone was the Bullets best player those years, and they made the playoffs both years (almost upsetting Barkley and the Sixers one year). Sounds like a good 3rd best player to me.

In comparison to Jeff Malone's seven made threes over those two seasons, Celtic Danny made 111 over those two seasons and Laker Michael Cooper made 152 threes over those same two seasons. The organizations winning championships had three point shooters at shooting guard.

From 1985 to 92 Michael Jordan shot 28% on 3s and made a pitiful 0.3 per game. Was Jordan not impactful? It was a different time. Players could be impactful back then without hitting 3s, even on the wing.

[One_and_Done]

Jeff Malone sucked dude...like he sucked. he was a poor scorer and shot too much. He also wasn't a good defender.


Jazz become a contender as soon as they replaced him for a good player.

Yup, the best player on 2 playoff teams who scored efficiently for Jazz for the time was the secret factor holding back Stockton and Malone; even when he wasn't on the team and they still came up short apparently.

The Bullets were 39-43 and Jeff Malone had a TS%.533

So he was about league average then?
https://aminoapps.com/c/nba/page/item/year-by-year-league-average-ts/wKgr_EQQspIBPl0l71boaZNMVpbqLvabKb0

He led 2 teams to the playoffs as an all-star. They were exactly 500. in the games he played (80-80). That sounds pretty good for a 3rd option. It's not like he was playing with great talent in Washington either.

[SelfishPlayer]

3pt shooting wasn't important when Jeff Malone played, and the Bullets were exactly 500. In games he played over those 2 years (80-80). Jeff Malone was the Bullets best player those years, and they made the playoffs both years (almost upsetting Barkley and the Sixers one year). Sounds like a good 3rd best player to me.

In comparison to Jeff Malone's seven made threes over those two seasons, Celtic Danny made 111 over those two seasons and Laker Michael Cooper made 152 threes over those same two seasons. The organizations winning championships had three point shooters at shooting guard.

From 1985 to 92 Michael Jordan shot 28% on 3s and made a pitiful 0.3 per game. Was Jordan not impactful? It was a different time. Players could be impactful back then without hitting 3s, even on the wing.

Jordan made 92 threes in 89. Jeff Malone didn't even make 92 threes over his entire NBA career!